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post #321 of 874
I love this from Jack Whispers, ironic typo and all:

"Rather than hope (sic) on the "we expect" bandwagon, we chose to wait until we had solid information, prior to publishing."

What a loser.
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post #322 of 874
I hate the way he rights...it reads like a legal document.
post #323 of 874
And my favorite quote from MacWhispers is...

Quote:
As posted on MacWhispers by Jack Campbell
There are really only three methods for creating Apple rumors. Well, there are actually four, if you include "bald face lying" as a method.

How ironic that Jack would think of that fourth method!

post #324 of 874
i think it is worth keeping this thread going for the duration of the vigil waiting for new models.

everybody has been talking about "year of the powerbook" but did you see Apple's sales figures?

powerbook\tunits/quarter av
2000\t 96,000
2001\t 87,000
2002\t 89,000
2003 143,000 (first 3 quarters)

powerbook\trevenue/quarter av
2000\t $237 million
2001\t $203 million
2002\t $208 million
2003 $317 million (first 3 quarters)

it clearly is the year of the powerbook! in the past quarter the powerbook was apple's top selling product line (by $).
apple probably think they can sit tight and get the next model revision right, as the new 12"/17" models are selling so well.
post #325 of 874
Enough of Jack already. "bald face lying" is his ONLY method. Liar, loser and a first class clown , he is not worth talking about.

As for powerbooks, I think it makes sense for new G5 powerbooks to be released after demand for the pwermacs has started to drop off a little, that is after all the pre orders have shipped and the general buzz has started to slow down. Then the "worlds fastes laptops" get released. Maybe about Oct. in time for Christmas. I think that with the G5 Apple will want to milk "the worlds fastest" thing for as long as possible, and the powermacs may not be the fastest for that long, so they will have to move on to "the worlds fastest laptops" sooner rather than later. What they would want is only two things for people to keep hearing and remember, "APPLE" and " WORLD'S FASTEST".
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post #326 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by valmad
As for powerbooks, I think it makes sense for new G5 powerbooks to be released after demand for the pwermacs has started to drop off a little, that is after all the pre orders have shipped and the general buzz has started to slow down. Then the "worlds fastes laptops" get released. Maybe about Oct. in time for Christmas. I think that with the G5 Apple will want to milk "the worlds fastest" thing for as long as possible, and the powermacs may not be the fastest for that long, so they will have to move on to "the worlds fastest laptops" sooner rather than later. What they would want is only two things for people to keep hearing and remember, "APPLE" and " WORLD'S FASTEST".

I don't want to sound like an *sshole, here, but I will.

If they release a 1.2 GHz G5 laptop, they'll have a hard time claiming the 'Worlds Fastest Laptop' title.

It will certainly be the 'Worlds Nicest Laptop', but you know that some company will have stuffed a 3.2 or 3.4 GHz desktop P4 chip into a chunky laptop by then.

We could argue semantics of 'laptop' versus 'portable desktop' ... but in the end, although those P4 monstrosities are far from luggable, they are still laptops.

I'll tell you what, though, I'll be first in line for one of the nice 15.4 Aluminum 'Worlds First 64 Bit Perfect Consumer Laptop'.

(Replace 64 Bit, with G4.5 and I'd still be first in line.)
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post #327 of 874
Maybe the PowerBook is going through a major redesign and a move to the G5. Otherwise, wouldn't they have released new, speed bumped models by now?
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post #328 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Kecksy
Maybe the PowerBook is going through a major redesign and a move to the G5. Otherwise, wouldn't they have released new, speed bumped models by now?

That is the question that has been driving everyone to distraction for the last three months. That is the reason we've had thousands of posts and tens of thousands of views in various threads on this site.

Personally, I doubt we'll see a G5 powerbook very soon. If it was technically possible they would have announced it already. If Apple had announced a 1.2GHz G5 laptop people would have fainted dead away, they'd piddle like happy puppies, they'd do back flips down the street, they'd... well, you get the idea.

I don't know what is holding up the 15" PB. It is over nine months old. That has to be close to a record for the longest time without an update to a PB model.

Lots of posters have suggested marketing reasons for the delay. Things like Apple doesn't want to take away attention from the new G5. I think it is a technical issue. New products are always good news. My guess (pure speculation) is that Apple started to gear up for an Aluminum version of the 1GHz PB to bring it to parity with the 17" PB. Then in late spring they started to get wind of an early release of the G4 7457. Also, sales of the PB were very strong (as we learned the other day) which meant that there was not heavy pressure on Apple to release a new PB (in spite of our eagerness for a new 15" Al PB). Now the engineers are working out the kinks in the manufacturing process to get this out the door. By this reasoning it could appear any day now.
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post #329 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by neutrino23
By this reasoning it could appear any day now.

September or bust (my liver).
post #330 of 874
A god sign of channel clearing...

From powerbook central...

Apple Store has slashed prices for Education customers (students and teachers) across the board by as much as $150. We can only assume that this is to encourage students and educators to purchase new equipment as we approach the new school year. These prices are for individuals purchasing new Macs -- the prices are now the same as for those purchasing equipment for their schools. Prices for all Macs were lowered with the exception of the base eMac and base iBook:

12" iBook/Combo: $1199 was $1249
14" iBook/Combo: $1399 was $1449

12" PowerBook/Combo: $1399 was $1499
12" PowerBook/SuperDrive: $1599 was $1699
15" PowerBook/Combo: $1799 was $1899
15" PowerBook/SuperDrive: $2299 was $2449
17" PowerBook: $2999 was $3149

eMac 1GHz/Combo: $849 was $949
eMac 1GHz/SuperDrive: $1099 was $1149

15" iMac: $1199 was $1249
17" iMac: $1699 was $1749

1.6GHz Power Mac: $1799 was $1899
1.8GHz Power Mac: $2199 was $2299
2.0GHz Power Mac: $2699 was $2849


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post #331 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by neutrino23

I don't know what is holding up the 15" PB. It is over nine months old. That has to be close to a record for the longest time without an update to a PB model.

If memory serves, 12 months is the longest time between PowerBook updates (PowerBook G3 -> PowerBook G4) and 3 months is the shortest (WallStreet -> PDQ).

Nine months is actually about par for the course.
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post #332 of 874
Not to split hairs but the longest recent pro laptop intro was between the Pismo and the current Titanium at just under 11 months.

Pismo ( Firewire version ) - Feb 16, 2000

Titanium G4 - Jan 9, 2001.

This is has got to be the thread that wouldn't die... the cool thing about it is that someday it will be right!

Just say "Keep the thread alive, keep the thread alive... "

BTW, I read in another thread ( somewhere! - can't find it now ) that Apple has quit selling demo models of the PB 15 to resellers. It would be nice to get some proof of this if someone can supply it.
post #333 of 874
I think it is now obvious that Steve's gonna milk every last drop out of all the current product lines until every last kid is back in school. Everything then gets bumped at Paris on the 16th. PBs, iMacs, everything.

Another benefit (to Apple) is that a good number of back to school shoppers might cave and buy a much higher margin G5 since it's the only "new" product.
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post #334 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by chazmox
Not to split hairs but the longest recent pro laptop intro was between the Pismo and the current Titanium at just under 11 months.

Pismo ( Firewire version ) - Feb 16, 2000

Titanium G4 - Jan 9, 2001.


Wasn't there a small update to the Pismo before the Titanium release?
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post #335 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by neutrino23
Lots of posters have suggested marketing reasons for the delay. Things like Apple doesn't want to take away attention from the new G5. I think it is a technical issue. New products are always good news. My guess (pure speculation) is that Apple started to gear up for an Aluminum version of the 1GHz PB to bring it to parity with the 17" PB. Then in late spring they started to get wind of an early release of the G4 7457. Also, sales of the PB were very strong (as we learned the other day) which meant that there was not heavy pressure on Apple to release a new PB (in spite of our eagerness for a new 15" Al PB). Now the engineers are working out the kinks in the manufacturing process to get this out the door. By this reasoning it could appear any day now.

Regarding the delay in PB update, i like the theory that there was to be no update until the processor could be updated. no point releasing a new PB aluminium with same old 1GHz chip. a faster chip was unpredictable in timing - Apple have been waiting on the 7457 1.3 or G5 1.3 to be ready..

the other complexity /unpredictable for apple was the need to spin out OS9 support. the current 15"PB is dual boot, but the 17" is not. when they released the G5 they had to re-release a G4 dual-boot at the low end. i think apple will do the same with the powerbook. keep the G4 15" as they have as a dual-boot OS9/OSX but perhaps with the newer faster 7457 G4 chip.

the longer the update delay goes on, the more of an anti-climax anything less than a G5 powerbook will be. steve would know that with the announcement of a G5 desktop, a lot of buyers are just going to wait for the powerbook G5. get one out and it is money for jam!!!
post #336 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by G5power
when they released the G5 they had to re-release a G4 dual-boot at the low end.

Not quite. There has always been an option for an OS 9 booting machine. They just elected not to get rid of it with the introduction of the G5. So its not as if there is this "new" machine, but just a continuing of an old one.

I doubt they will continue this pattern with the powerbook. Once the 15" gets updated, it will loose OS 9 booting ability.
post #337 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by kupan787
Not quite. There has always been an option for an OS 9 booting machine. They just elected not to get rid of it with the introduction of the G5. So its not as if there is this "new" machine, but just a continuing of an old one.

I doubt they will continue this pattern with the powerbook. Once the 15" gets updated, it will loose OS 9 booting ability.

If I'm not mistaken, the machine is not exactly a continuation of an old one, because the old one could not boot OS 9. They changed an old model to make it cheaper and make it able to boot OS 9, I believe
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post #338 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Delphiki
If I'm not mistaken, the machine is not exactly a continuation of an old one, because the old one could not boot OS 9. They changed an old model to make it cheaper and make it able to boot OS 9, I believe

Nope, it is the same OS 9 booting model as before.

With the last rev of G4's (the ones with Airport Extreme and FireWire 800), there was an off page for a special OS 9 bootable Mac, which was just a rev 1 MDD tower (FireWire 400, regular airport). This supposed "new" model is not anything new, it is just a repackage of that same old model.

See this note on lowend mac:

Quote:
The June 2003 models are essentially the same as the G4/1.25 GHz dual processor (2002)

<snip>

G4/1.25 GHz dual 512/120/SuperDrive/Radeon 9000 Pro introduced 2002.08.13; reduced to $1,299 on 2003.06.23 as a 256/80/Combo model

So they notice the similarity as well, Apple just reduced some specs, and the price. But it is the same machine at heart.
post #339 of 874
Since there is more than 1 PB thread, i'll post it here also.

Here is the scoop from macdoobie:

Quote:
[ Rumors ] new portables - Lionel - 08:51:42

Hereby information on the future of the APPLE portables. The
source is highly reliable. New Powerbook should arrive at the end of
the next month. They were pushed back because of... Motorola once
more. They had manufacture problems with the PPC 7457. The 12" model will
reach 1133 MHz and the other models will be at 1,25 and 1,33 GHz.
USB 2.0 and Firewire 800 will be generalized with the whole range. We
did not have information on the presence or absence of the 15". We
will have other information in the near future.

As for the G5 portables, one should see them arrive at the beginning
of 2004 (can be as early as February). There is still much work to be done on the
controller of the mother board which dissipates too much heat. They
will have to engrave it in 0,09 Microns.

The wait is almost over
post #340 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by salty chips
The wait is almost over

Geez, still more than a month and it's almost over? I've been waiting since January.

And I just broke one of the hinges on my 15...:/
post #341 of 874
I think/hope an update would come sooner than late-August
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post #342 of 874
think i may have asked you this before, dhagan. just can't remember! but i'll ask again: why do you "think" the pb revisions will come before mid-august?



how's your patience with it all?

mine:



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post #343 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by salty chips
...macdoobie:...

Says it all.

They make $hit up.

They got ONE scoop on the MDD's and ever since they have been cranking out crap trying to maintain their status as scoop-meisters. Well they are scoop-meisters, but the kind that clean out a stable, not publish inside information.
post #344 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by AirSluf
Says it all.

They make $hit up.

They got ONE scoop on the MDD's and ever since they have been cranking out crap trying to maintain their status as scoop-meisters. Well they are scoop-meisters, but the kind that clean out a stable, not publish inside information.

At least they arn't as bad as Macwhispers.

And give them some credit. Back when no one thought we would see the 970/G5 at WWDC, they stuck to their guns.
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post #345 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by AirSluf
Says it all.

They make $hit up.

They got ONE scoop on the MDD's and ever since they have been cranking out crap trying to maintain their status as scoop-meisters. Well they are scoop-meisters, but the kind that clean out a stable, not publish inside information.

Completely right. Macdoobie is unreliable drivel looking for 15 minutes of fame. I'm SURE their source is "highly reliable."
post #346 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by McLaptop
think i may have asked you this before, dhagan. just can't remember! but i'll ask again: why do you "think" the pb revisions will come before mid-august?

I don't know if they will be revved before mid-Aug; just can't imagine Apple going much longer with the current PowerBooks. They are up to 9+ months old. In tech terms, it's time for an update. Apple showed their hands with the future of the PowerBook line when they intro'd the aluminum models back in Jan. All the glaring issues people had with the TiBook were addressed, such as peeling paint, spongy keyboard, hinge issues, etc. Look, I own a Ti867 and the only issue I have with this model is the spongy keyboard. I always feel as though I'm going to pop-off a key. For someone who types a lot, this is a prob. I have had other Ti's and the hinges have cracked or were misaligned. Anyhoo, I have used the Alu models and they are a vast improvement in all areas. I cannot wait to upgrade.
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post #347 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by pscates
This weird part of me actually wouldnt mind if that goons latest story is true because it makes my life and decision making MUCH easier: If a 15 PowerBook update is released, say next week or within a month, and its STILL Titanium (with all the problems/quirks that entails), then I simply pay a spiffy 12 Combo Drive iBook for the time being. I can do that from savings alone by week after next (with money left over), sell my iMac at my llesires and take the money from it, five months of saving (August-December) and get whatever PowerBook finds its way to us in the first quarter or so of 2004.

So what you're saying is, whatever is released next, buy something 'cause we'll then have a better sense of Apple's next move. If it's a 15" AlBook with the CPU we want, great. If not, get the "holdover" of your choice (new vs auction/refurb; iBook vs 12" PB; etc.). Sounds like a good plan. Unless one is patient enough to wait for the 15" AlBooks to come out. But at this point, I'm just itching to spend money on something! I'll be damned if I won't use Apple's next laptop announcement as an excuse to do so.
post #348 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver

Another benefit (to Apple) is that a good number of back to school shoppers might cave and buy a much higher margin G5 since it's the only "new" product.

I thought that the PBs were the highest margin products in their line.
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post #349 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by taliesin
I thought that the PBs were the highest margin products in their line.

I admit I have no hard data for this assertion, but considering the recent price drops on the PBs and the fact that the G5s start at $2k, I think it's a safe bet.
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post #350 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by salty chips
Here is the scoop from macdoobie:

They might be right on the timing but they have the story completely backwards. The 7457 wasn't due until Q4 this year; the rumor that it has been brought forward to Q3 is why we're all expecting it in a PowerBook.
post #351 of 874
My suspicion is that this case design is there to ramp rapidly. There is nothing to indicate that the chips currently in the machine are running that hot that they need nine fans. It is very possible that they may need the extra fans when the new 970 revs come out. At 2.5 or 3 GHz the extra fans may be important.

In any event remember this is a zone cooled machine. Not all of the fans are allocated to cooling the CPU's. As to what the real power disapation is with the 970's is that is hard to say. When running full out I could see them soaking up a good amount of power, but I really think that the 97 watt value refers to two processors.

The one thing people seem to ignore is the support chips. Considering everything being done outside the CPU and the speeds its being done at the support chips have to be eating up some amps. Knowing Apple though we will never find out just what the power usage is.

Dave

Quote:
Originally posted by chazmox
Ok! Ok! You got me! I'll admit I am wrong!


And, oh yea!, the nine fans are needed in the PowerMac because nine fans are QUIETER than one. Even though they had fanless designs in the Cube and a VERY quiet fan in a iMac, they decided to use 9 fans because every computer buyer things fan tech is SOOO cool. And they used the largest heat sinks I have ever seen and the most free airflowing case I have ever seen just by chance!

( Note: I too seriously believe the nine fan design would be quieter than one fan; however, that does not negate the fact that the parts are hot and Apple had to design a special cooling system for the devices. )

But believe whatever you want... it doesn't matter to me!
post #352 of 874
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post #353 of 874
Um, is this new?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...l/-/B00009APE3

Oops, no, that's the SuperDrive version.

But the combo 12" is now offered by J&R, not Amazon directly? (And hence not eligible for their $100 off)

And it's 5-7 days at the Apple Store...
post #354 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Alexander
Um, is this new?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...l/-/B00009APE3

Interesting on that Amazon page, "This item is not stocked or has been discontinued."
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post #355 of 874
This is interesting...

I've been tracking "out-of-stock" bullets on PowerBook Central. The combined total for last Monday ( 7/14/03 ) was 9 "out-of stocks" and the Apple store was at 5-7 days for both 12 inch models and 1-3 days on the superdrive version of the 15 inch PB.

Today, the combined "out-of-stocks" went to 10 bullets and Apple deliveries have not changed.

Add to this that Amazon is essentially reporting out-of-stock on both 12 inch models...

Can anyone confirm the Australian rumor of stock being removed from shelves?
post #356 of 874
UK store has estimated build of "Same Day" for the 15" PB with SuperDrive ! ! !
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post #357 of 874
Gee, could there really be new PBs tomorrow? Wouldn't that be thrilling? Well, it could also be another no show dissappointment but let's try to look on the bright side.

post #358 of 874
I hope they released this tuesday the PowerBook G4 12" rev. B with the features we all want.

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post #359 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by kupan787
So they notice the similarity as well, Apple just reduced some specs, and the price. But it is the same machine at heart.

It's not a dual-processor machine. I couldn't be sure that was made clear in their statement.
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post #360 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by lundy
It's not a dual-processor machine. I couldn't be sure that was made clear in their statement.

I don't understand what you are saying. The "old" OS 9 bootable machine was a dual 1.25. The "new" machine is a dual 1.25 and a single 1.25. It is all the same machine (some mother board, case, etc). The only differences are the amounts of ram stock, stock hd.

My whole point has been that this is not some new machine by Apple. They didn't go out and R&D a new board, new this, new that. This machine was offered in the past, and billed as the OS 9 bootable machine.
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