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post #601 of 874
sure, out on 19th, I heard.
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post #602 of 874
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
If her story is indeed true, then Apple would have some sort of "press event." I can think it would be fair to say if Apple does announce it will hold a "press event," it will be because it's announcing a PowerBook with a G5.

So, given that Apple usually gives the press a week's notice when they hold a press event, ifi Rothenberg or someone else who works for a media outlet too big to be intimidated by Steve mentions an invite to a press event around mid-week... well, we'll have some firm evidence that this is indeed true.

The timing isn't bad, either. In fact, it's on the early side of what I'd expect based on Apple's usual 9-12 month update schedule for PowerBooks.

Apple has let the channel run bone dry with PowerBooks before, although it's been a while since they last did. If the channel's only drying up now, and the revision comes out in 10 days or so, that'll be a sign of particularly good execution on their part.
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post #603 of 874
PowerBooks mentioned in this rumor roundup: macnews

It makes some sense that there'd be a PR about the updates this month and then have the faster 1.33 gig versions ship later in Sept. This assumes a 7457.

Could IBM have a low power version of the G5 ready to go this soon? Maybe. We sure don't know what they're up to behind closed doors but then there's that big, hot, power hungry controller chip.

Oh, BTW, a bit OT but my wife happened to pick up an Italian Vogue at the book store and there were photos of new 15" iMacs covered in white fur--the base and the back of the display.
post #604 of 874
PB updates regardless of the chip will they have faster superdrives,bluetooth, lighted keyboards?????
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post #605 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Bill M,

If her story is indeed true, then Apple would have some sort of "press event." I can think it would be fair to say if Apple does announce it will hold a "press event," it will be because it's announcing a PowerBook with a G5.

Yes, its called MW Paris - with SJ Keynoting!. Any apple event prior to Sep 16 will be for updates. So if there are no PB updates prior to Sep 16, then a G5 PB at MW Paris will be expected!
post #606 of 874
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Originally posted by hasapi
So if there are no PB updates prior to Sep 16, then a G5 PB at MW Paris will be expected!

A G5? Why?
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post #607 of 874
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Originally posted by job
A G5? Why?

I said 'expected', not guaranteed. I expect a PB update prior to Paris and likely G4's @ 1.33G, but that's just me thinking. I was entertaining the G5 PB 'notion' on how it would be released (if at all) - most likely at a SJ keynote and Paris is the only one I can think of between now and MWSF? \
post #608 of 874
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Originally posted by hasapi
I said 'expected', not guaranteed. I expect a PB update prior to Paris and likely G4's @ 1.33G, but that's just me thinking. I was entertaining the G5 PB 'notion' on how it would be released (if at all) - most likely at a SJ keynote and Paris is the only one I can think of between now and MWSF? \

It's cool. I was just wondering why you thought it was 'expected.'

It would be nice to see Apple pull of a surprise of that magnitude that soon though. Wonder when they'll ship.
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post #609 of 874
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Originally posted by job
It's cool. I was just wondering why you thought it was 'expected.'

It would be nice to see Apple pull of a surprise of that magnitude that soon though. Wonder when they'll ship.

No worries!, yeh it would be nice, but like everyone is expecting a G4 (7457) to speed bump the PB's and the iMacs beyond 1GHz (Ugh)!.

A G5 PB is not out of the question, its just that its expected Q1 04. Which is what Apple is doing on forums such as this, is to ensure consumer expectation is at or below its impending announcements. So anything is possible!.

Personlly, a would be really happy with a PB G4 but @ 1.6G, same for the iMac 17" (for home) before xmas, but looks like ill have to wait for MWSF?.
post #610 of 874
For what it's worth (at this point, probably not much), I was in a Durham, NC Apple Store yesterday where a senior staff member said they were out of stock on the TiBook (), BUT "not to worry" because they were about to get in a whole new shipment of them ( ). I hate to doubt MacBidouille about August, but I'm thinking Paris.

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post #611 of 874
Here's a thought: suppose all potential PB customers decide not to buy the new G4 PB's (1), I'll bet you that Apple Management will be all to eager to change their plotted "nice looking timeline".

Innovation is but possible with high-end high-margin products THAT SELL. I guess they were tapping deep into their reserves for the latest Powermac revision, that btw came probably just in time. And now it isn't looking too good for the Powerbook segment either: most buyers (meaning those that read before they buy and don't have tons of money to spend) will be holding out for the G5. And since G4 sales won't pick up, Apple Management will have to hurry up it's G5 release and give up their current timetable.

Power to the people!

(1) euh, maybe because they have been waiting for a very, very long time just to end up with a product offer that doesn't even meet the latest available market technology, while still costing A LOT OF MONEY.

Or I could just be frustrated and probably still buy everything they throw at my head. I dunno ...
post #612 of 874
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Originally posted by Pandoering
...And since G4 sales won't pick up, Apple Management will have to hurry up it's G5 release and give up their current timetable.

Not to make light of your thoughts; I'm amused sometimes by those who write as if Apple can just pull technology, i.e. advanced chips, motherboard designs, etc. out of thin air.

Apple can only work with the chips their vendors, Motorola and IBM can supply. And, it sounds as if it's a big challenge to design a board for a laptop that runs cool and sips power.

I am sure Apple is putting pressure on IBM and Motorola where due and rushing to develop new technology just as fast as possible. A boycott of certain products by consumers would make no difference in how fast it comes to market.

That said, I can't wait to get my hands on a 17" G5 Big Al. Hope it's soon.
post #613 of 874
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Originally posted by Pandoering
Here's a thought: suppose all potential PB customers decide not to buy the new G4 PB's (1), I'll bet you that Apple Management will be all to eager to change their plotted "nice looking timeline".

Innovation is but possible with high-end high-margin products THAT SELL. I guess they were tapping deep into their reserves for the latest Powermac revision, that btw came probably just in time. And now it isn't looking too good for the Powerbook segment either: most buyers (meaning those that read before they buy and don't have tons of money to spend) will be holding out for the G5. And since G4 sales won't pick up, Apple Management will have to hurry up it's G5 release and give up their current timetable.
Power to the people!

I would have to agree, and fortunately for Apple alot of existing PMac users did not switch over to faster PC's because of economic factors mainly as well as the expected G5 (due in 2001). The fact remains, will a very modest 1.25G PB be successful?, I very much doubt it, hell, even the iMac looks positively aneamic compared to a PC at 1GHz, a 1.6GHz might actually re-ignite these sales both for the iMac and the Powerbook. If Apple updates the PB to say 1.33G - and sales remained a little sluggish, could that force the G5 introduction ahead slightly, possibly, but just because Apple wanted faster chips from Moto, doesnt mean they could get them or introduce G5's to the PB range because of clear technical issues.

People power can only go so far!
post #614 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Pandoering
...And since G4 sales won't pick up, Apple Management will have to hurry up it's G5 release and give up their current timetable.

In addition to what iDave said about the above, I think you over-estimate unwillingness to buy G4 laptops. Quite a number of people, myself included, have voiced a desire to buy one of the next new PowerBooks, even if they "only" use the 7457 G4.

The attitudes that I hear expressed about G4 PowerBooks aren't anywhere near as negative as what people were saying about G4 Power Macs before the G5 came along. Frustration with the stagnated Power Mac line was such that the prospect of Apple coming out with anything but the G5 was widely regarded as a would-be disaster.

There isn't anywhere near that level of objection to another round of G4 PowerBooks before G5's some time next year. The biggest gripes right now seem to be wanting the 15" in Aluminum, and seeing the 12" move up in features to match the rest of the PowerBooks better. That and a modest speed bump will make a lot of people happy for now.
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post #615 of 874
I've just arrived home and scoured all the sites -- including this one -- for some new scrap of information that would further set my mind at ease that next week is finally it. And...nothing \

Oh, I sure hope next week is it!
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post #616 of 874
I'm banking on the Release for new products to be on the 18th...

New Powerbooks for Everyone !!!!
post #617 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Pandoering
...And since G4 sales won't pick up, Apple Management will have to hurry up it's G5 release and give up their current timetable....

Joining with iDave and Shetline, I doubt that very many people who have a reasonable need for a PowerBook now will hold out for a G5 PowerBook if an enhanced G4 based PB comes out next week. Certainly we would all like to see a G5 PB, but I won't shed any tears if it doesn't happen till next year. Laptops are evaluated more on their overall integration than on just CPU power. I'll be happy to see a well designed machine that is reliable, has good battery life, a bright screen, Airport Express with a good antenna, a faster GPU, a better HD, backlit keyboard, bluetooth and a speed bumped CPU all working well together.

Assuming the rumors are correct and the next PB uses the 7457 at about 1.3GHz this should result in about a 30% performance improvement. When Panther comes out in the near future that will add another 20% or so speed improvement. All together this will be a very attractive new model and I for one am ready to buy it.
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post #619 of 874
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Originally posted by neutrino23


Assuming the rumors are correct and the next PB uses the 7457 at about 1.3GHz this should result in about a 30% performance improvement. When Panther comes out in the near future that will add another 20% or so speed improvement. All together this will be a very attractive new model and I for one am ready to buy it.

All I would really want is a backlit keyboard to be added to the 15" as well as it becoming an AlBook. I would rather have a 7457, but at 1.3Ghz you are just getting more power and less battery life it would seem. I'd rather a 1GHz option with a 7457 to add battery life time.
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The single processor machines never seemed quite as data starved as the duals. I think you'd see a noticeable improvement in speed in a speed bumped G4 15" machine. As much fun as it is to bash motorola (and it IS fun) the G4 is really not a bad chip.
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Originally posted by Bancho
The single processor machines never seemed quite as data starved as the duals. I think you'd see a noticeable improvement in speed in a speed bumped G4 15" machine. As much fun as it is to bash motorola (and it IS fun) the G4 is really not a bad chip.

G4 is a bad chip. As it SLOWLY increased in clock speed the bus was not upped accordingly. So even as fast and poweful as the G4 is (or could be) it is limited. Now granted it isn't slow, but in dual configs, it would be pretty impressive if it wasn't limited I think. Then again my opion doesn't count much because I could be horribly wrong.
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Originally posted by shetline
The biggest gripes right now seem to be wanting the 15" in Aluminum, and seeing the 12" move up in features to match the rest of the PowerBooks better. That and a modest speed bump will make a lot of people happy for now.

Bingo! I have no doubt that a revised PowerBook G4 lineup will sell just fine. Certainly better than what is currently available.

Pandoering's analysis makes no sense at all. Even if everybody stopped buying gasoline-powered cars today, the major car manufacturers couldn't offer us supersonic flying cars tomorrow. Any given technology will be ready when it is ready, not a moment sooner. Poor sales of a revised G4-based PowerBook lineup will not advance PowerBook G5 availability by even a day.

At this point, everybody is getting their hopes up for low-power PPC 7457 processors in the next round of PowerBooks. In the words of the good old Mandricard, hope springs eternal. I sure hope Apple and Motorola don't disappoint us!

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Originally posted by Cold Turkey

...Even if everybody stopped buying gasoline-powered cars today, the major car manufacturers couldn't offer us supersonic flying cars tomorrow. Any given technology will be ready when it is ready, not a moment sooner. Poor sales of a revised G4-based PowerBook lineup will not advance PowerBook G5 availability by even a day.

Cold Turkey

Well I'm sure Apple is already working quickly (though not rushing) to get the G5 together.

I agree with you, but it isn't necessarily true, I mean look at Intel. They could have come out with a consumer 64-bit chip by now but they havn't because there wasn't a big enough demand for it, and they can continue making money without it. You move alot faster when your dodging between the feet of a Dinosaur.

Edit: I don't think I made it clear enough how much I agree with you, I was just saying us bocotting buying would rush Apple and it may come out slightly sooner (though probably not) and if it did you wouldn't get the Apple quality, you'd get rushed $hi?
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7457 with twise the size of the L2 cache might help those G4 system without L3 with more than just the clock speed.

However the time for the G4 is running out. I took a look at Roxios home page (on Win applications, see below). and video is not the only thing. Some current games have problems with the G4 and it will only get worse.

A new G4 will make the current underpowered G4 less bad for a while as a stop gap measure for the lowpower IBM 970 to appear.

For the upgrades the bus is a limitation. A G3/800 is not that much faster than a G3/500 on a 50 MHz bus (10x-16x) With current busses mostly in the 100-133 MHz range this will hamper the performance anyhow if the G4 by magic would reach 2 GHz today.

I expect one decent but not exciting upgrade of the Pbooks and iMacs. (about 30% faster CPUs fortified with bigger HD more RAM faster optical drives and graphics for added flavour). The real exitement will come the next time around...



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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Well I'm sure Apple is already working quickly (though not rushing) to get the G5 together.

Let's hope so, ast3r3x. We definitely agree. By your Intel example, consumer/market demand obviously has a direct effect on product development cycles. It's a real shame that market power cannot make Moto produce stable 1.6Ghz 7457 chips or IBM crank out low-power 9nm 750's that will magically work in PowerBooks overnight.

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Originally posted by DrBoar
7457 with twise the size of the L2 cache might help those G4 system without L3 with more than just the clock speed.

However the time for the G4 is running out.

I definitely agree that a larger cache will improve the performance of the G4, on top of the clock speed increase due to the smaller process. However, I don't think the G4's time has run out just yet. I contend that a Ghz G4 will provide plenty of power to the majority of Mac users for the next year, if not two years.

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For the upgrades the bus is a limitation.

The bus is definitely a limitation. I'm typing this on an iBook/500 with a lousy 66Mhz bus and can't wait to move to a faster processor and bus. I hope the rumor that the PPC 7457 can run with a 200Mhz bus are true. But I fear we'll be stuck at 167Mhz for this revision.

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Did you realize that the requirement is for a Pentium III (3, three), not the latest Pentium IV? Sure, applications require more and more hardware performance. But for a lot of users a current G4, even a fast G3, or (heaven forbid) a Celeron is just fine.

I'll be perfectly happy with a 1Ghz Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook G4, so long as it features a PPC 7457 chip.

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post #626 of 874
Haha I want a 1Ghz 15" AlBook with 7457 and backlit keyboard
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Hopefully we will see a 15.4" (widescreen) PowerBook running at 1.3 Ghz with built in firewire 800, bluetooth, and airport extreeme this september. A backlit keyboard would be nice to, but not likely IMO.
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Why is FW800 important to everyone? FW400 isn't fast enough for you? I don't see a reason for FW800 on a laptop...yet.
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Why is FW800 important to everyone? FW400 isn't fast enough for you? I don't see a reason for FW800 on a laptop...yet.

Agreed. BUT the key work is "yet". If you are going to spend that much on a laptop why not have it be as future proof as possible.

That being said there is very little use for fireiwre 800 in a laptop right now.
post #630 of 874
Future Proof is good...but lets not get crazy. I wouldn't want to have spent any extra money on my IIGS just because it came with a USB port. HardDrives seem like they are FAR from using FW800...and burners don't. Information simply can't be fetched that quickly from HD's, CD whatevers and digital cameras. I guess if you could daisy chain enough devices it would be useful, but how many devices that would be maxing it out would you be carrying around with your laptop
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Prior to the last updates for the both iMacs and PowerMacs, Apple had deals on refurbished machines for each on the "Specials" page of their website; and seemed to have a lot of machines available considering that the specials were up for weeks. Some folks postulated that these machines were not actually refurbished, but that this was used to clear inventory on new products with having an official sale.

Why am I boring you with this? After almost two months of nothing but iPods on the refurb page, Apple now has deals on iMacs, iBooks, PowerBooks, and eMacs.

It may mean little or nothing but it's food for thought.
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Originally posted by neumac
Prior to the last updates for the both iMacs and PowerMacs, Apple had deals on refurbished machines for each on the "Specials" page of their website; and seemed to have a lot of machines available considering that the specials were up for weeks. Some folks postulated that these machines were not actually refurbished, but that this was used to clear inventory on new products with having an official sale.

Why am I boring you with this? After almost two months of nothing but iPods on the refurb page, Apple now has deals on iMacs, iBooks, PowerBooks, and eMacs.

It may mean little or nothing but it's food for thought.

Interesting...so does that mean the 19th or Paris Expo?
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Why is FW800 important to everyone? FW400 isn't fast enough for you? I don't see a reason for FW800 on a laptop...yet.

this coming from the person who is telling everyone that the only G5 it makes sense to buy is the dual 2Ghz and if you don't you're an idiot.
post #634 of 874
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Future Proof is good...but lets not get crazy. I wouldn't want to have spent any extra money on my IIGS just because it came with a USB port. HardDrives seem like they are FAR from using FW800...and burners don't. Information simply can't be fetched that quickly from HD's, CD whatevers and digital cameras. I guess if you could daisy chain enough devices it would be useful, but how many devices that would be maxing it out would you be carrying around with your laptop

It's not "crazy", it is smart. The next laptop I buy needs to last me at least 2 years. I may not need FW 800 now, but who says it might not be useful 18 months from now. Apple certainly thinks that it would be a good thing to have on their G5s and on their 17inch powerbook. Are they crazy? Or do they know a few things that you don't.
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Originally posted by applenut
this coming from the person who is telling everyone that the only G5 it makes sense to buy is the dual 2Ghz and if you don't you're an idiot.

Heh...*shifitly looks around*

Not stupid...just doesn't make sense for me and I would think most others. I just think if you can come up with the money you are vastly better off with 2GHz.

When necessary you need to go all out and when not needed don't. If you have a problem with my logic please explain, because I am biased to my logic because of my situation. Tell me yours and why not.


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While waiting around for the new PBs to be announced, I thought I'd muse a bit on hoped for/expected/probable features:

If a G4, hoped for specs/features (bold items are maybes, the rest are probables):

$2599
15.4-inch TFT Display
GITD keyboard
1.4 GHz G4
200 MHz bus
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
2MB DDR L3 cache
60GB Ultra ATA/133
2x DVD-R SuperDrive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
64MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme built-in
Bluetooth built-in
DVI & S-Video out

If a G5, I'll be blown away like the guy in the TV ad.
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$1999
15.4-inch TFT Display
GITD keyboard
1.2 GHz G4 7457
200 MHz bus
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
2MB DDR L3 cache
40GB Ultra ATA/133
ComboDrive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
64MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme built-in
Bluetooth built-in
DVI & S-Video out
USB 2.0


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Originally posted by Rolo
If a G4, hoped for specs/features (bold items are maybes, the rest are probables):

[not utterly improbable specs]

If a G5, I'll be blown away like the guy in the TV ad.

I just had an image of a guy in a black turtleneck being blown into a streetlamp. The camera follows a trail back into a coffeehouse, with upended tables everywhere, pictures danging crookedly on the walls, and staff staring dumbly out through the hole in the plate glass storefront. Toward the back, through a cloud of dust, a 17" PowerBook sits on a small table; the chair is knocked several feet away.

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Originally posted by Masker
$1999
15.4-inch TFT Display
GITD keyboard
1.2 GHz G4 7457
200 MHz bus
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
2MB DDR L3 cache
40GB Ultra ATA/133
ComboDrive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
64MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme built-in
Bluetooth built-in
DVI & S-Video out
USB 2.0

You won't get those specs for $1,999. If nothing else, there needs to be a greater feature difference between the low and high lines. 1MB L3, 32MB GPU, AirPort Extreme support but no card included, and I would bet three fingers off my left hand that the low-end model won't ship with more than 256MB of RAM. This is APPLE we're talking about.
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Originally posted by BrunoBruin
You won't get those specs for $1,999. If nothing else, there needs to be a greater feature difference between the low and high lines. 1MB L3, 32MB GPU, AirPort Extreme support but no card included, and I would bet three fingers off my left hand that the low-end model won't ship with more than 256MB of RAM. This is APPLE we're talking about.

Yep, that sounds about right. Something like this, maybe:

$1,999.00
15.4-inch TFT Display
1.2 GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA/133
Combo Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
32MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400
FireWire 800
USB 2.0
AirPort Extreme Ready
Bluetooth optional
DVI & S-Video out

I left off the resolution since I'm not sure what it'll be. Some surprises could be in store. Maybe all models will have SuperDrives or maybe the prices will be lower. Maybe speeds will top out at 1 and 1.3 GHz. Maybe there'll be 2MB DDR L3 cache in all models. Maybe the bus speed will max out at 167 MHz as stated by Mot. Even so, the L2 bus is 200 MHz so that memory could indeed use DDR400 SRAM.

Ferchrissakes, cable is on the fritz here so I had to dig up a pair of rabbit ears and the only thing I can pull in well is Miss Teen USA. Now you know why I'm futzing with the specs.

Gee, could my cable company have been taken down by that MSBlast worm? Why does anyone put up with that MS carp?
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