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sick of waiting... Powerbook/iBook info, guesses, wild speculation anyone?

Poll Results: New Powerbooks at MWNY/Create?

 
  • 10% (21)
    PBG5's, brought by happy happy unicorns
  • 44% (92)
    PBG4 1.25's, brought by pleased leprechauns
  • 22% (47)
    Endless software demos, brought by realistic naiads
  • 22% (47)
    Joz just witheringly stares everyone down for 2 1/2 hours
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post #1 of 305
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Greetings, gentle peoples of AppleInsider.

I am really sick of waiting to buy a new Powerbook. I cancelled my order for a 1ghz Ti at xmas, then the 17" came out, and I've been waiting ever since for a 15" Al. Almost going for an economical iBook 900... but can't make myself part w/ the cash.

The smilies that best represent my attitude on the whole affair are thus:


So everyone:

1} Do you think/know that Powerbooks will not be updated until MWSF (making it a year for the model life) ... or Paris?

2} Any iBook speculation?

3} Wouldn't it be a little out of character if they announced NOTHING at mwny/create?



I don't even care if you have any concrete info... I just want an experienced Apple-watcher debate about what's coming. Because my hand's on the Apple loan, which has got like 25% interest, so I better not be using it for an out-of-date 'book.


thanks!
post #2 of 305
Well there have been a ton of threads on this already. As much as I too want to see the new 15Al, I'm getting extremely sick of the speculation and rumormongering on this much sought after PowerBook rev.

I have been following this intently for the last six months, and I can say the most optimistic sign we'll see new PowerBooks is Wednesday at MacWorld Creative Pro in New York.

There has been no inside info on the revision of the 15-inch PowerBook (or the other two for that matter). All the supposed "insiders" have proved wrong.

As I have said in another thread:
  • PowerBooks MAY NOT be revved soon...newer G4 processors which run faster, consume less power and give off less heat may not be ready this soon;
  • The 15-inch model might be eliminated (which may be the reason why there hasn't been any solid info on them);
  • If the 15-inch is updated, it may retain the Titanium enclosure (MacWhispers, who has been synonymously wrong in the past, is now suggesting this).
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post #3 of 305
We're pretty much at 6+ months without an update. I'll be surprised if they don't show at MWNY, but if they don't, they gotta be coming real soon.

I think a lot hinges on the avilability of the 7457s.
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Thread Starter 
Thanx for posting...

Yeah; I know folks've been talking about this stuff on other threads. I was just looking for entirely non-specific info, and was claiming no knowledge of ... anything, really. Wanted to debate new Powerbooks and not processor heat output or whether I was an idiot

Just looking for some odds, and trying to keep myself from buying, really. I'm an addict. I'm so much waiting for my next fix right now... slappin' my arm, staring bugeyed at the computer screen waiting for that Apple store to go down...


So far the poll favors new G4 Powerbooks. I guess we'll see next week if we're smart...



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post #5 of 305
Who are the two chuckleheads who selected "G5 PowerBooks"?

Next week can't come soon enough. Surely SOMETHING will be said, in terms of the PowerBook. Even if it was "hey, we're announcing today and shipping in late September..." I wouldn't even mind because then we'd at least KNOW.

It's the not knowing that is the worst. And the waiting...it IS the hardest part. Tom wasn't lying, was he?



I'd love to know that a new G4 PowerBook was coming, but I'd actually go another two months without it IF it meant it's going to get that newer chip (cooler, consumes less power, etc.). That would make it worth it.

Crap, I don't know. I'm about THIS CLOSE to just buying a good, solid 12" iBook to get me "mobile" and then perhaps look into a nice, tricked-out PowerBook (next-gen G4 or possibly a G5) sometime in 2004. The more I think about it...

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Originally posted by pscates
Crap, I don't know. I'm about THIS CLOSE to just buying a good, solid 12" iBook to get me "mobile" and then perhaps look into a nice, tricked-out PowerBook (next-gen G4 or possibly a G5) sometime in 2004. The more I think about it...


You and me both. I think I'd use a laptop mostly for writing rather than serious Photoshop work, so an iBook would suffice.
But just the thought of having a really cool new 15" keeps swaying me back to waiting. And a 15" would be much cooler when watching the latest DVD movie.
post #7 of 305
I'd get the combo 12 before an iBook, even as a holdover. Prices are pretty darned good for them ATM. Just 300 over the iBook gets a decent mobile CPU, a better case and built in spanning. Yes, you can hack the iBook, but do you really want to?

I've used a 19" 1280x1024 LCD for the past couple of days. It has DVI and VGA in and it's great. I much prefer it to a 17" of the same res. I can really sit back and enjoy the HUGE legible screen, suddenly small fonts are big again, I don't have to zoom the text in word docs, or adjust Safaris font sizes from page to page. Kicks the snot out of the 17" CRT I have at home. I pretty much have to get this display, it's the most perfect, ergonomic dp evar!
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Yeah, I've considered that too, Matsu. Just spending an extra $300 and getting the 12" combo drive PowerBook. And I'd imagine I'd get more for it when it came time to murbot it next year (our buddy has become a verb )

I will, however, have to dispute you on that "better case" business. Give me glossy white iPlastic ANY DAY over metal...aluminum, titanium or otherwise.



Plus, klutz that I am I'd probably be better served by the tougher, more durable iBook.

Like Satchmo, I'm not going to be doing any hardcore Photoshop stuff. It's mostly Safari, Mail, Illustrator, iTunes and InDesign for me (in that order). I honestly think I'd be just fine with an iBook for 6-9 months. I'm not exactly "pushing any envelopes".

Cool thing, in just two weeks I'll have enough in my "laptop fund" (from just savings alone) to buy the 12" combo drive iBook outright...with $300 left over for a 512MB DIMM, an AirPort card, a form-fitting, padded sleeve/case of some sort and a nice two-button/scroll wheel mouse of my choosing.

I'll still have my G4 iMac, which I can sell at my leisure over the next few months. eBay, locally, run an ad, perhaps even someone here at AI, etc?

Honestly...barring any far-out, jaw-dropping PowerBook announcements in the next 2-4 weeks, I think that's what I'm gonna do. I'd rather spend this autumn being able to take my Mac around with me than spending the last half of 2004 still chained to my desk.

I'm not nuts about dropping $2599, give or take, on something on its last legs (the chip/specs prior to the '57 or - heaven help us - the G5).

post #9 of 305
All these threads about the same thing--we are all foaminating at the mouth over this like crazed dogs.
al 15 g4+ it's the heat stupid
upgrade 17 and 12 pb to g4+
ibook g4
g3 cheapo for education and low buck laptop

if ibook 14 goes g4 1+ghz i'll bite
al15 with lighted keyboard i'll bite

I JUST DON'T WANT TO BUY SOMETHING THAT'S END OF LINE AND OLD ARCHITECTURE

DE-FOAM GUYS we'll have to wait. most apple dudes are future oriented look at our past, we'll wait, apple knows that. yes there is pent up demand but we'll wait and wait and wait. then bite...maybe like masocits (sp) we enjoy the wait makes us special and not so "wintel-ish"

my work requires me to have a wintel laptop, when my work upgrades to a system that i can access using a net browser then i'm motivated to get rid of my dell and go to the fruit stand again and get some apples so i can wait and watch all this herky jerky forum talks.

hey guys congratulate me i graduated to "member" out of junior high!!! Hey does that mean i qualify for the "prom"
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post #10 of 305
For another perspective, I never thought that my TiPb 1Ghz would remain cutting-edge in the 15" screen categoty for this long--I got mine when they first shipped (November 15th) and it's crazy that EIGHT MONTHS LATER it is still at the top of its heap. That's uncanny.
post #11 of 305
Ha, you're like me: I bought my iMac DV in early 2000 and it was "top of the heap" until July of that year (however, it was unveiled in early October 1999, so it basically went 9 or so months "untouched". 6 of those months, I owned one).



Then in March 2002, I bought a G4 SuperDrive iMac (two months after they were unveiled at MWSF). It went for an entire YEAR before it was upgraded (well, they added that 17" model at MWNY that summer...), so I got lucky twice.

I've yet to experience that cruddy feeling of buying something, only to see it revved - or outright replaced! - within a month or so.



Knock on wood...
post #12 of 305
I got an iBook/800 in November. The persistent video problem wasn't fixed even after 3 repairs. After a 4th failure, I gave up, asked and got a replacement, an iBook/900. It only took it 3 weeks for the video to go pphhffffftttt!! This time, the replacement will be a new 15" AlPB as soon as the damn thing finally shows up.

Let's hope Joz is the bearer of good tidings.

Oh, and let's hope Jack Campbell is way off.
post #13 of 305
Rolo, what exactly happened to your iBook? Is this a common, known issue or did you just have the misfortune of getting saddled with two lemons?



Are iBooks known for unreliable video/graphics cards?

post #14 of 305
Hey Paul,

Cool, I'm a verb, baby!

Have you ever played around with a 12" PowerBook? The reason I ask, is I had my first chance to see on in person last week and absolutely loved it. I'll honestly have a very hard time purchasing another iBook. The difference seemed pretty drastic when I had them side by side - the fit and finish of the PB was head and shoulders above the iBook. (especially with the new all-white scheme)

If you will have it 6-9 months, and you're saving dough like you are now, drop the $300 and get the PowerBook, man. I think you'll be happier with it. My 2 cents, for what it's worth. (more than 1 cent Canadian now, woo!!)

I'm still in limbo here, this is my longest stretch without a Mac in a long time. I'm glad that I'm so busy with work, and putting in the driveway/sidewalk/irrigation/fence/etc/etc at home. Not much time to dwell on it.

Oh, about the thread topic - I voted for a new 15" next week. Call it a hunch.
post #15 of 305
just wait until wednesday. its only a few days away!
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For what it's worth, I'm desperately hoping for a Rev/B 12". The most likely way that I think its going to happen if it does happen next week is an announcement on the website Mon or Tue, so that Joz can talk about them on Wed, but not get the glory from announcing them.

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I'm not normally one to tell people to wait, but this time I will. It sounds like there's no absolute imperative for you to get a new PB, so you may as well sit tight for the next revision. Otherwise you'll just be all bitter and twisted when the new revision comes out.

And any Mac user who talks about naiads really shouldn't be bitter and twisted, right?
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Why get the superdrive, when dvd writers will come down in price, i understand that idvd uses only superdrive, but toast canuse and external. I'm considering a laptop purchase in the next 6 months (around christmas) so by that time the new al 15 will be out. what are typical changes to a line from summer to christmas season, what has happened historically? if something is announced by september what if any usual changes occur for christmas, or should i wait till after january. What' a typical cycle if there is one. Doen't dell, sony introduce new stuff aaround march and have a couple of improvments for the strong christmas season.

Or should apple go this route, put out kick butt stuff that is ahead of the curve so they don't keep chasing the "update" tail??? Or is that simply a marketing tool to maintain interest.
I'll say one thing, 95% of laptops look like black cereal boxes, in an airport can't tell the difference, but boy those apple ibooks, PB sure do stand out, that is a great reason to have apple, bee and look differennt. with more and more things going through a browser or internet, less and less proprietary software only for windows.

How long do you think the g5 will stay "fresh" it's way in front of the curve, does any other manufacturer have anything close and when?????
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post #19 of 305
Well, the reason I'd get a SuperDrive is: if I have a laptop, the whole point of them is convenience, portability and the whole "got it all right here" vibe.

If I wanted a laptop that I'd have to carry a separate drive around with, add a PC card for modem use, do without Ethernet and FireWire, etc. I'd buy a cheap PC laptop.

Seems goofy to have a sleek, lightweight Apple notebook (especially one as small and "totable" as the 12"), then have to end up lugging around a big, honkin' Formac or LaCie DVD burner with it. Just runs counter to all the reasons I'd want a portable.



I don't WANT other things to carry, hook up, keep up with! I want one "has it all" laptop. But that's just me and how I think.

AND...I'd prefer to use iDVD, which, as far as I know, you can't use on third-party external burners. Why would I want to learn some new DVD creation software when iDVD (along with every other iApp) is wonderful, easy-to-use and more than meets my modest requirements?
post #20 of 305
Mr Scates, you could just keep on plugging away on the iMac, and if you really want to get mobile strap a marine battery and inverter to your back and carry the iMac around with you, hahaha...

I think that once you get a laptop, you will never buy another AIO, you realize that there's really no point given the prices.
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Don't think I haven't thought of that.

Honestly, I think once I get a laptop, that'll be it from here out. I think once I get a taste of having my Mac with me at all times and in all place, I could never go back to a desktop. And now that laptops are getting totally powerful and full-featured enough to truly be desktop substitutes, why not?

I have a feeling this iMac of mine is the last desktop Mac I'll ever own. I'll just spend the rest of my life buying newer, better iBooks and/or PowerBooks every 2-4 years, depending.

I do totally see myself, within 2-3 years, with a G5 (or beyond?) 17" PowerBook, 2GB RAM, 8x SuperDrive, AirPort Ultra Extreme II, Illustrator 12 and Mac OS XI.

post #22 of 305
Check out this thread.
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post #23 of 305
Hmmm, interesting. But wait...that would mean Jack from Macwhispers.com is wrong. How can this BE?!?!



What's the latest on this 7457 thing? Isn't that the newer, cooler, lower energy G4 from Motorola? Any chance THAT will be the one used in the new stuff? Even if, say, these 'Books are announced on Monday but not shipping until September (that would be okay with most people, knowing they get a cooler-running, higher speed, more efficient chip, right?).



I'm going to go take some Tylenol PM and just sleep from now until Tuesday or Wednesday and quit thinking about all of this.

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Hmmm, interesting.

I think that link is the only substantive thing we have to go on regarding new PowerBooks at this point.
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post #25 of 305
I don't see Motorola coming out with faster G4s any time soon, so after this next revision, the PowerBook will have to go G5, which is a good thing.

Apple will probably announce new PowerBooks on Tuesday, and Joz will simply mention them in his keynote on Wed. I think Steve is the only one who announces new products.
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Apple will probably announce new PowerBooks on Tuesday, and Joz will simply mention them in his keynote on Wed. I think Steve is the only one who announces new products.

It would be a good thing to start letting others introduce product or make major announcements. As good as Steve is it is risky to rely on any one person too much. Steve took care of the emergency. Now he should loosen the reins on being a spokesman as well.
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It would be a good thing to start letting others introduce product or make major announcements. As good as Steve is it is risky to rely on any one person too much. Steve took care of the emergency. Now he should loosen the reins on being a spokesman as well.

I concur. Do you concur? Does everybody concur?
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post #29 of 305
u guys are crazy...joz is gonna give eveyone the shady eye for not two hours, not 2.5 hours but THREE!
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I'm not nuts about dropping $2599, give or take, on something on its last legs (the chip/specs prior to the '57 or - heaven help us - the G5).

If it's a holdover you're looking for, it's also not hard to find an Apple refurb TiBook for about $1100 (see SmallDog, DealMac, etc.). I'm starting to get aggravated enough to do just that. If its got a factory warrantee, I think I'd rather tote around a bigger screen G4 than an iBook. I'll upgrade to the AlBook 15 later. Just a thought.
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My disdain and lack of interest for the Titanium PowerBook is well-documented on these boards.



A refresh:

1. Easily scratched
2. Flimsy hinge (like #1, I've simply heard too many horror stories about it)
3. Poor AirPort reception/performance
4. Ports are in back...behind a DOOR, no less! Ugh, no thanks! I've owned two iMacs and an iBook and I think the "ports lined up along the side with no covering over them" is a superior, more convenient and efficient design, hands down. I don't like to blindly fumble around the back of anything, trying to find the Ethernet, USB or FireWire port by "feel". A total hassle (and one of the reasons I don't like this LCD iMac as much as my iMac DV).
5. The keyboard is removed to install components. Makes for a flappy typing action. I think the 12" and 17" models have MUCH nicer keyboards because the RAM and AirPort is installed below the case and the keyboard feels more "set in" and solid (this was also a gripe about my iBook's keyboard because it didn't seat properly all the time and was subject to pooching up).
6. Lastly, I think it's ugly and weird-looking...the dark plastic keys along with the metal body, that weird light-colored frame around the edge, etc. [quickly dons asbestos pajamas...]

For those reasons - and a few more minor ones of a more subjective nature - I've NEVER been attracted to the Titanium PowerBook. Even from day one. It wasn't until these new 12" and 17" aluminum PowerBooks that I actually gave the line a serious look, believe it or not!



I'd own a 12" iBook before I'd EVER get a 15" TiBook...even at the same price.

Oh yeah, I said it.

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I'd own a 12" iBook before I'd EVER get a 15" TiBook...even at the same price.

Oh yeah, I said it.


Brave fella! Nuts...but brave!

1. Easily scratched - I have one. Depends on how you handle it. The apparent fragility of the Ti makes me handle mine with kid gloves. The screen feels like it's going to break. I have held and used both the 12-inch & 17-inch and they are *solid*.
2. Flimsy hinge - My 1st Ti's hinges cracked. The Aluminum models have a much smoother hinge than the Ti. It's like butter comared to the Ti.
3. Poor AirPort reception - Yes, yes, yes. The iBook is obviously a winner here. Once you are in range of an Aiport Base Station, performance however isn't a problem.
4. Ports are in back - This didn't really bother me until I was using my friend's 17-inch, when pluggin in peripherals (like Firewire and a USB mouse). The side ports on the 17-inch were just so much more transparent than my Ti next to it - afterwards trying to connect peripherals in the back of my Ti.
5. I think the 12" and 17" models have MUCH nicer keyboards because the RAM and AirPort is installed below the case and the keyboard feels more "set in" and solid - That is a no-brainer. The keyboard is *MUCH* better than the Ti by a mile.
6. Lastly, I think it's ugly and weird-lookingWell, I don't know there. I am indifferent. Having seen the Aluminum models, I like their design better. It's more of a refinement to me. A much welcomed refinement.

I've NEVER been attracted to the Titanium PowerBook. Even from day one. - I had to have the Ti when it was first announced. Months later when they introduced the white iBook I knew that its design was the other possible design for the new PowerBook. Why put good engineering to waste? When my school bought a lab of white iBooks, I thought it's hinge design was may someday win out and make it into the PowerBook where it should have belong in the begginning! Lo, I was right!
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post #33 of 305
Exactly. You get it.

The iBook hinge and port arrangement FINALLY made it to the PowerBook line, in the form of the 12" and 17". That's just good sense!



Oh, and putting the AirPort antenna up in the display was a good idea too.

Kinda funny that the lower-priced, "consumer" laptop seemed to have a bit smarter, more-thought-out design than it's high-dollar, titanium-clad big brother. And newer PowerBooks are basing their designs on some of the iBook's cues. And thankfully not the other way around.



Just goes to show...
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Rolo, what exactly happened to your iBook? Is this a common, known issue or did you just have the misfortune of getting saddled with two lemons?



Are iBooks known for unreliable video/graphics cards?


I got saddled with two lemons and it's a known issue with Apple. Last time I spoke with an Apple tech, he said they think they know what the issue is. What they had done before was simply replace the logic board but that didn't help for long. They then tried replacing a bunch of other things, including the mobo, and also the display to mobo harness. It worked fine for a few weeks and then failed. When it failed, I wasn't even there. It was fine, I went to p, came back and it was frozen. Restarted, flicker flicker, dead.

Now, if Apple can only come out with a handy dandy 15" AlBook, I'll be a happy animal. 8)
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I've NEVER been attracted to the Titanium PowerBook. Even from day one.

I agree. I was doing a FCP demo at an Apple Market Center soon after the Ti was announced when I got my hands on someone's new TiBook. I showed it to my participants but right off the bat, I didn't like it. It was way too easily marred, got dirty too easily, scratched easily, and was too delicate.

Later, I heard about all the problems people were having with TiBooks. The AlBooks solve all the problems the Ti had. I say, good riddance. It sure isn't easy waiting for a 15" Al, though.

Tuesday? Will it be out Tuesday??
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Hmm...The only problem I have with my rev 2 TiBook is the edge paint flaking off. It's pretty severe, but it is only cosmetic. And it makes it lighter. The keyboard is totally solid (you do have to make sure it's locked down properly), and looks good.

I'll take the TiBook hinge and keyboard (ignoring 17" backlight, which I would die for) over the aluminium ones any day. The silver keys are just UGLY. And the new hinge doesn't open nearly as far (yes, I use it almost flat sometimes), and I've seen a lot of floppy 17" hinges.

That said, I'm buying an updated 17" when they come out. 667MHz is starting to get slow, and I think I already mentioned the backlit keyboard.
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Assuming the PBs are as seems obvious - ie a 15.4" semiwidescreen aluminium PowerBook with a not particularly dramatic speedbump (if we were talking about something radical here, I'm sure Jobs would be announcing it, but the only thing that appears to be interesting is the 15.4" screen which isn't even certain), announced this coming week, does anyone have any theories on how it'll be priced?

It's noteworthy that the recent price cuts didn't affect the 1GHz model that much. Could it be that the cheapest 15.4" Al PB will cost more than $2,400 (the price of a BTO 15.2" Ti PB 1GHz with a combo drive)?
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This sounds so petty, but I can't imagine my TiBook without its aftermarket handle. That's the only thing I don't like about the AlBooks... no place for a handle. It's so lo-tech, but it really makes a difference in how I use my powerbook.

Thank goodness my forthcoming G5 dualie has handles built-in.

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Assuming the PBs are as seems obvious - ie a 15.4" semiwidescreen aluminium PowerBook with a not particularly dramatic speedbump (if we were talking about something radical here, I'm sure Jobs would be announcing it, but the only thing that appears to be interesting is the 15.4" screen which isn't even certain), announced this coming week, does anyone have any theories on how it'll be priced?

It's noteworthy that the recent price cuts didn't affect the 1GHz model that much. Could it be that the cheapest 15.4" Al PB will cost more than $2,400 (the price of a BTO 15.2" Ti PB 1GHz with a combo drive)?

If the new 15" AlBook comes with a 1.3 GHz 7457, the actual speed boost will be at least 40% owing to the increase chip speed plus doubled up L2 cache. If the system bus is 200 MHz and it uses DDR400 memory, application performance increases of at least 50% could be seen. I call that significant.

Still, I'm only expecting a PR and an Apple store update, perhaps on Tues. BTW, there's a macbidouille post today about mobile GPUs, comparing the best from nVidia and ATi. As expected, the Radeon mobility 9600 wins. I sure hope Apple uses it in this next PB revision. Apple really needs to get aggressive with features, specs, speed, and pricing to compete these days. No complaints about the G5. 8)
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You are a fool for not buying back at Xmas 20002. You clearly dont need a PB very much if you can wait near on 8 months to buy one! Apple have said that they are happy with the 15" Ti PB and have no plans to change it. And why should they? I have the 1Ghz SD and its fantastic. No peeling paint, no constant fan. Fast Fast Fast. Like I said, if you have put off buying for 8 months you clearly dont need.
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