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Poll Results: New Powerbooks at MWNY/Create?

 
  • 10% (21)
    PBG5's, brought by happy happy unicorns
  • 44% (92)
    PBG4 1.25's, brought by pleased leprechauns
  • 22% (47)
    Endless software demos, brought by realistic naiads
  • 22% (47)
    Joz just witheringly stares everyone down for 2 1/2 hours
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post #41 of 305
I REALLY hope you're not talking to me...

A "fool"?

\

But, if you are:

a) I NEVER said I "need" it (as a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone here saying they "need" one)...

b) ...however, I'd LIKE one (big, huge honkin' difference: want vs. need)

c) Maybe some of us are money conscious and want the best bang for the buck? The aluminum cases - in every way - are improvements over the titanium PB design, so why wouldn't we like to have one in a 15"?

d) In any case, who are you to imagine or comment on what anyone needs? A gazillion reasons might be at play, 98% of them you couldn't possibly be aware of.

Sure, I could've bought one 2 years ago, but a laptop - at the time - didn't appeal to me. I travel more now. I have friends and family strewn out over several states. I'm always going somewhere on the weekends, it seems. I'm doing a lot more freelance work these days and it's nice to be able to sit with a client and go over things with my work there. All this stuff simply wasn't the case 1-2 years ago. It is now and I'd like a laptop.

BUT not one that I feel comes up short in many areas (as mentioned earlier in the thread). I'm willing to wait a little bit only because so many things are due for updates.

If you're just talking in general, then ignore above. My apologies.

post #42 of 305
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Originally posted by halode
I am really sick of waiting to buy a new Powerbook. I cancelled my order for a 1ghz Ti at xmas, then the 17" came out, and I've been waiting ever since for a 15" Al.
post #43 of 305
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Originally posted by musicaltone
You are a fool for not buying back at Xmas 20002. You clearly dont need a PB very much if you can wait near on 8 months to buy one! Apple have said that they are happy with the 15" Ti PB and have no plans to change it. And why should they?

I take umbridge with a comment like this. Not that I'm picking a fight or anything, but if you saw and used the new 12- and 17-inch PowerBooks, you too would wait until they revved the 15-inch. The aluminum design is clearly superior to the Titanium.
  • Hinge
  • Built-in Bluetooth
  • Airport Extreme
  • *MUCH* better keyboard

I went down memory lane a little while ago, and I still like the Titanium. But having had a couple, including an 867 MHz, and having used a friends 17-inch, the aluminum is much better. The 17-inch is too big for me, while it doesn't seem to bother my friend (its his 1st laptop). Regardless, I want the new 15-inch when it comes out in hopefully a similar aluminum design as the 12- and 17-inch models. I can understand people waiting because they also seek the overall improvements the aluminum design brought over the titanium. It's not like they don't need it because they have waited all this time for the aluminum 15-inch...it's because they are smart shoppers, and realize Apple is trending this way with their laptops.
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post #44 of 305
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Originally posted by musicaltone

Good enough. Sorry

In the future, it might help to quote a specific post/person you're referring to, so everyone knows. These threads climb up in post numbers REALLY fast and if you're responding to someone from 14 posts earlier, it might not be clear who/what you're talking about.
post #45 of 305
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Originally posted by pscates
Good enough. Sorry

In the future, it might help to quote a specific post/person you're referring to, so everyone knows. These threads climb up in post numbers REALLY fast and if you're responding to someone from 14 posts earlier, it might not be clear who/what you're talking about.

Also it a good idea not to assume you are the one being referred to in a post unless you are quoted directly. That way no apologies are required after the fact.
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post #46 of 305
Part of the angst related to the purchase of an Apple product is that Apple doesn't give us a road map. If I had known in November that the 15" PB would not be updated till July (we hope) I might have bought one earlier. As it is, around February or so when I got real serious about upgrading (QS 867 and Pismo 500) the 15" Al version seemed just around the corner and I could afford to wait.

I understand Apple's need for secrecy. Apple should also understand the customers' need to plan their lives.

Suggestion: Apple could make a schedule for introductions something like this.

January: new technology for Power Books, iMacs, PowerMacs

May: speed bumps and minor changes for PowerBooks
new technology release for iBooks

July: speed bumps and minor changes for PowerMacs, iMacs

September: speed bumps and such for PowerBooks, iBooks

I'm not too picky about the details. The idea is that, like the car companies, Apple could schedule their product introductions. That way you could plan ahead. Some people go out and buy product immediately because they need it now (new job, special assignment) and some of us plan ahead for a year or more (budgets, need for new features).

This would also be good for Apple. If the Apple staff knew this schedule then marketing, design and engineering teams could work toward a fixed target and have a better chance of getting product out the door on time. What a pleasure it would be to have everything shipping when it was announced (happy days both for Apple and for us).

This would not compromise Apple's need for secrecy. Apple wouldn't have to release the feature set before the announcement. We still wouldn't know in advance whether a certain model would get a huge makeover or minor makeover before the time for the main release of a product. Some speed bumps might be skipped. On the other hand, we wouldn't be floating in a sea of rumors during the rest of the year.

I'll step down off my soapbox now, thank you.
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post #47 of 305
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'Tis true; I don't NEED a portable. I have an 867 Dualie w/ 23" Cinema that serves me better than fine. (Addiction to 1920x1200 makes me wonder if I can go back to 1024 -- that, perhaps more than anything else, keeps me from buying an iBook right now today today)

But Boston is wicked hot this summer, and sometimes I want to drag my setup into the air conditioning so I won't have to compute in the buff.

Er, I mean, I want to be able to take my work files home more easily.

Also, this is the first time that our 'household' has shared a computer. Though OS X makes that admirably painless, it still does not allow me to get any work done while the boyfriend is screwing around on the internet. Last year, he had an ibook 600 (will not charge, and AppleCare won't fix it) and I had a TiBook 667 (rampant paint-flaking and ti-scratching and snapped off the display hinges and battery release switch stuck and power adapter got wiggly -- Apple care fixed it and surprise surprise replaced the cosmetically damaged parts, and I happily sold the refreshed 'book on eBay) --

I don't NEED anything, but I WANT a high-quality computer that can come with me, even if the only distance it'll usually go is from the office to the living room.

I want that 15" AlBook to come out, even if I'll still be torn between the luxe of the 17" and the practicality of the 14" iBook.

And I think silver keys are very pretty.

And sometimes you're not a fool to wait, though I do hate it when people never buy because they fear something better will come out -- of course it will! And then you get to upgrade, yay! -- but money has been tight these past couple years, and part of me says, why buy a G4 at all when a G5's coming soon?

But the fact is, the majority of my work is in Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and Flash, and G4s and even G3s are perfectly adequate for the tasks.

But I am still loath to buy something that was introduced 8 months ago. By definition, I think it's not the best it could be.



Anyway the poll still seems to favor the leprechauns, which would be a lovely outcome, except for my wallet, and for me lucky charms.



And whoever suggested the Monday/Tuesday announcement to downplay Joz's role, screw you: now I have to Apple.com every 5 minutes for THREE days.




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post #48 of 305
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Originally posted by taliesin
Also it a good idea not to assume you are the one being referred to in a post unless you are quoted directly. That way no apologies are required after the fact.

Hey, that post came after one of mine...what ELSE do I think?

Don't need a course on this stuff...

Besides, I usually AM quoted and referenced, so...

post #49 of 305
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Originally posted by pscates
Hey, that post came after one of mine...what ELSE do I think?

Yeah, SEVEN posts after.

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Originally posted by neutrino23
Part of the angst related to the purchase of an Apple product is that Apple doesn't give us a road map.

You're totally right. Unfortunately, from a marketing perspective this idea doesn't make much sense for Apple, Inc. If everyone knew when the next, better thing was due, sales for the soon-to-be-outdated thing would start to die off long before. I also suspect that marketing, design and engineering teams certainly DO know the "schedule." The people who talk to the customers don't. Or, if they do, they ain't squealing.

(I have a nefarious plan involving jumper cables, bamboo shards, and my friendly neighborhood Apple Store manager. We'll see just how much they know. )
post #50 of 305
Thread Starter 
Yeah, but saying lots of people would wait if they knew something else was coming out infers that those lots of people would be BUYING said next thing.

So maybe sales would be just as good, but would come in spurts timed around new introductions (more so than usual).

Time four of these new introductions spread out through the year (as they do now, just more specifically), and your quarterly profits will do just fine.

Might also help with inventory management.



Another major plus is I wouldn't be so grumpy.

secrecy: transparency :: :



BTW, no ragging on pscates for thinking he was being ragged on. My head will explode.

Pluswise, isn't anyone going to defend MY honor? I'm the one who was truly called a fool, after all.
post #51 of 305
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Originally posted by Kabeyun
Yeah, SEVEN posts after.

Sue me then. Got nothing better to do than go back and count posts?

Newcomers...

Yes, go annoy halode...it's him that was referenced anyway.

BESIDES...I offered a "pre-apology" in my post anyway, just in case I WASN'T the one being talked about. That should've been enough. Get off my case.
post #52 of 305
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Originally posted by Kabeyun
Yeah, SEVEN posts after.

Newbies. Yum. We have a plan in place to handle such situations, involving jumper cables and bamboo shards.

Rowr.
post #53 of 305
Sorry, but I think that the 14" iBook is a HORRIBLE little machine. The screen blows, and there's almost nothing to justify the weight increase.
post #54 of 305
Thread Starter 
Hey now, don't go annoy Halode. Halode is a *her,* anyway.

A friend of mine has a 14" iBook, and it's surprisingly responsive. If the iBook is just used for Dreamweaver, light Photoshop, I think it'd be fine.



But I would rather have an Al.



I have this problem where I think, if I'm going to spend 1500 bucks, I might as well spend 3000. And I suppose that's really not the case.


Might have to be in the more entry-level hardware until the economy picks up and I start finding clients again... \

But there's another reason for wanting more advanced Powerbooks to debut -- they might drive down the prices of the 'old' models.

Quite honestly I've been coveting that 17" ever since I saw its big flat face.


It's not the ultimately portable portable, but I lugged around a 3400 and Lombards and Pismos that weighed more or the same... I could probably handle it.




Hey, does anyone smart/obsessive know the average product cycle for Apple pro-level notebooks? People say that it's time for an update, but does anyone have some comparisons to base it on?



In closing, don't bother Halode. In fact, don't bother anyone. "If... then ignore" is perfectly fine forumiquette, imo.
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Thread Starter 
Wow. WOW!

That page really helps me not drool all over other peoples' laptops... thinking that mine will be more drooleriffic... and SOON!!

Thanks, Jiphee, for the time-to-update info!
post #57 of 305
It does not appear as though Apple will update anything today. It's 8:21 AM in the east as I write this, and the Apple Store is still up. 8:00 to 9:00 AM eastern is when they usually do their product updates.
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post #58 of 305
Looprumors.com (don't know their track record or rep for accuracy, so...) is saying that they "learned while in New York" that a major announcement is coming in September in Paris, but that a smaller one is slated for this week at CreativePro (or whatever it's called).

I think September might be the PowerBooks, with the 7457 (didn't all those papers say "Q3"...that's "Q3" as I understand it ).

I wouldn't even mind that one bit because a) I'm not quite there yet on money anyway (for a 15" SuperDrive, that is...I could get a 12" tomorrow if I really wanted) and b) I don't mind waiting for another two months if we know it'll be powered by this newer chip that runs cooler, uses less energy, has a bigger bus, twice the cache and gets into the 1.3GHz range.

I'll happily continue to save and drool for another 6-8 weeks if that is what I have to reward me in the end.



But who knows what looprumors.com considers "big" or "major". Maybe it's PowerBooks announced this week (simple bumps to the 12" and 17" and the "aluminazation" of the 15"?) and the September thing is Panther?

post #59 of 305
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Originally posted by Rolo
Let's hope Joz is the bearer of good tidings.

Hope so too. </crosses fingers and knocks on wood>

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Oh, and let's hope Jack Campbell is way off.

That's a given.

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post #60 of 305
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Originally posted by neutrino23
It would be a good thing to start letting others introduce product or make major announcements. As good as Steve is it is risky to rely on any one person too much. Steve took care of the emergency. Now he should loosen the reins on being a spokesman as well.

Originally posted by DHagan4755
I concur. Do you concur? Does everybody concur?

Definitely agree. Avie Tevanian's new position certainly has to do with de-emphasizing Steve Jobs as well. Apple has clearly de-emphasized major shows, e.g. Macworld, and made announcements by press release when they are ready. Now it's time to de-emphasize Jobs as the only vehicle for live announcements.

We all know know what happened to Martha Stewart's company when she did "a bad thing." We wouldn't want that to happen to our favorite fruit company (or its current CEO).

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post #61 of 305
Does Apple really know that, like DHagen, many of us sit here trying to do "traffic analysis" and "pattern recognition" and "reliable hearsay study" to figure out how to spend $3000-4000 on their latest creations? Is a puzzlement.

Anyone have a number for marketing?
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post #62 of 305
Escher, its not that I disagree in theory with

"Avie Tevanian's new position certainly has to do with de-emphasizing Steve Jobs as well. Apple has clearly de-emphasized major shows, e.g. Macworld, and made announcements by press release when they are ready. Now it's time to de-emphasize Jobs as the only vehicle for live announcements."

It is that I disagree in practice. Steve Jobs is the face of Apple and . Of course, it could be as simple as Steve not being able to get "Keynote" to work so soon after his major effort at the WWDC.

As noted above, why do we have to scrabble for critical information? September is far too late for planning for back to school, and that goes doubly for faculty and administrators. The budgets come in in July, and the money's spent by the end of this month (if there was any at all.) Those of us who've been saving private monies since Pismo Year need to get that stuff loaded up in our new little G4s, but I cannot DVI out from the runt of the litter, as portable as it may be, sooooo..... Has it come to simply skipping another year, or will they get me to try to act non-chalant and gallant with a 17" clipboard superscreener? Watch this space.
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post #63 of 305
ThinkSecret says that Apple's MW booth is "wide open" ahead of Wednesday's exhibit floor opening, suggesting that the lack of security means no product introductions by Joz during his keynote. If updated PBs are announced tomorrow (Tues., 7/15), couldn't they just be carted out just prior to the exhibits opening?

Jeez, I hope we don't have to wait until Paris for new PBs and I hope MacWhispers is wrong about updated TiBooks. No, please, not that!

Hey, macnews.net.tc says that a new mouse & keyboard is confirmed by a NY source. They'd be aluminum, similar to the AlBooks, but not Bluetooth, just USB. Sure would go with the G5 but also would make nice accessories for AlBooks. Maybe they'll show up this week at MWCP.
post #64 of 305
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Originally posted by Rolo
Jeez, I hope we don't have to wait until Paris for new PBs and I hope MacWhispers is wrong about updated TiBooks. No, please, not that!

It could be that Jack's just trying to be overly pessmistic after being overly optimistic before WWDC. That way, on average, he can be right.
post #65 of 305
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Originally posted by halode

But I am still loath to buy something that was introduced 8 months ago. By definition, I think it's not the best it could be.

The flip side of buying an 8 month old model is that Apple has most likely worked any kinks out by then (they silently revise their models over time), so you're getting the model at its most reliable. Given your experience with Apple laptops, it's probably not a bad idea to buy a model on its way out. The odds are better that it won't go funny on you.
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post #66 of 305
I might just be clutching at straws, but if you check Cancom UK's (www.cancomuk.com) website, they only have the 12" Superdrive and the 17" in stock, the others saying a couple of days. Maybe that's a sign of some running down of stock for an announcement within the next couple of days?

I really hope so
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Didn't someone say 6 pm tomorrow (not that they put forth any justification, but still...)

If nothing happens by the keynote, I guess we're pretty much waiting until September.


If they aren't shipping new notebooks until late fall, they're missing out on hordes of students.


I was hoping they'd announce something this week, and then have it shipping by Sept at the latest.



I am afraid that 'no security at Apple booth' fact sounds pretty damning...


I feel that the naiads may win. Damn snobby naiads.
post #68 of 305
I'm still optimistic for new 15" PowerBooks this week. They are very much due for a revision and the revision people expect wouldn't warrant a major announcement, the 15" PB's are still shipping in 7-10 days from Apple, and there's the threads about Berkeley changing their requirements with a note to wait until Wednesday (it was Berkeley, wasn't it?) Also, my university is announcing it's back to school deals on computers in "late July" and has traditionally been a big Apple supporter, and I have very good reason to believe there's going to be a 15" PowerBook in one of those bundles, updated or not - I'm hoping updated. Perhaps I should've bought the 15" TiBook with SuperDrive they were offering for ~$2150. Plus there were those rumors about the new 15.4" case from the Register..

Plus it's only Monday. I'm still very hopeful.
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ThinkSecret reports that the Apple Booth is wide open and unmasked at MacWorld. This really bodes badly for new Powerbooks this week.
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ThinkSecret reports that the Apple Booth is wide open and unmasked at MacWorld. This really bodes badly for new Powerbooks this week.

crap, i want that powerbook
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ThinkSecret reports that the Apple Booth is wide open and unmasked at MacWorld. This really bodes badly for new Powerbooks this week.

If the upgrade is just incremental - minor screen size change, aluminium case, small speed bump, would Apple necessarily be exhibiting it?
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Originally posted by peharri
If the upgrade is just incremental - minor screen size change, aluminium case, small speed bump, would Apple necessarily be exhibiting it?

Sure. Nonetheless, it would probably take less than 20 minutes to swap old "decoy" Titanium PowerBooks for new 15-inch Aluminum PowerBooks during the Jozwiak keynote on Wednesday morning.

I'm definitely still hoping... because hope springs eternal.

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If the upgrade is just incremental - minor screen size change, aluminium case, small speed bump, would Apple necessarily be exhibiting it?

My guess, and this is only a guess, is that the Apple booth can be stocked with G5s, iMacs, iBooks, 12 and 17" PBs right now and no security needed. Ah, but what's under the hood of those AlBooks? Are there any TiBooks on display in the booth? We don't know. Maybe 15" AlBooks will be rolled out at the last minute.

Here's something else to consider: Suppose PB revisions are announced Tues. morning but aren't expected to ship for a couple of weeks. Would they necessarily need to be on display in the booth?

Come on PB15! Bring it on! 8)
post #74 of 305
It seems like to me that Apple is *trying* very hard to make it look like they won't be announcing any products.

I'd say we'll get a minor update on Wednesday. If not then, then we won't see it in Paris, but January.

Even if there is a minor update now, they usually save big updates on Powerbooks til January.
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It seems like to me that Apple is *trying* very hard to make it look like they won't be announcing any products.

I'd say we'll get a minor update on Wednesday. If not then, then we won't see it in Paris, but January.

Even if there is a minor update now, they usually save big updates on Powerbooks til January.

ahhhhh, NO. You seriously think that Apple would wait a year between updating their pro product line? That's insanity! I don't understand how some of you have become close-minded in thinking that just because there is "no security" at the Apple booth that Apple can't set up laptops on the day they are announced. I have labs of iBooks at work, and I can take them out and set them up in about 20 minutes. Why can't Apple do the same? Greg Joswiak may be recapping the G5 and Panther, but it does seem like there is time to at least reveal something new, including a new 15-inch. I'll be pissed otherwise. The Ti has been sitting with an 867 and 1GHz processor now for EIGHT months. In another other facet of the PC market that's pathetic. If it turns out that Motorola has mucked up the works again, piss on them.
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post #76 of 305
My ideal scenario?

They unveil the aluminated (hey, that's pretty good...feel free to use it from here out ) 15" model, with all the goodies of the 12" and 17" (including the backlit keyboard of the 17"!).

But it sports the '57 and every PowerBook (12", 15" and 17") is now at 1GHz and above (say, 1GHz for the 12" and 1.whatever for the 15" and 17").

All models now have L3 cache and DVI (ahem...).

And just for them to do that would be enough. Even if they don't ship until September, that's fine. At least THIS DAMN WAIT AND UNCERTAINTY IS OVER!!!

And then we can spend another 2 months shopping for bags and sleeves, thinking about how to best transfer our files over, looking at photos and specs of it at Apple's website, etc., know that - come autumn - we'll have something really cool and "worth the wait" to buy. Just in time for Halloween and the holidays.

But sure...if they want to start shipping them immediately, well that's fine too.

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And then we can spend another 2 months shopping for bags and sleeves, thinking about how to best transfer our files over, looking at photos and specs of it at Apple's website, etc., know that - come autumn - we'll have something really cool and "worth the wait" to buy.

Lord, you just put the whole Mac 'experience' into perspective for me in one sentence. I love it.

Giddy schoolgirls? You betcha.
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Oh well, I was looking forward to upgrading my Ti400 to a G5 PB!.

Looks like the 15.4 Al will most likely now be G4. But Im curious, I know the 7457 is not due in qauntity until Q4 03!, Well thats Oct-Dec 03.

Maybe Apple will keep the PB's G4 till around MWSF 04 for a G5 PB, and move the iBooks to G4 7457 around that time or earlier, sort of makes sense!, but its easy to convince oneself of just about anything?.

I WILL get the 'new' PB 15" as soon as is updated, period. Cannot wait till January, only to be told that they wont ship for 2 months. When the G5 PB's do become available however, they may be difficult to resist. \
post #79 of 305
I thought it was Q3? I don't know. I don't even know what it all means, when they say a chip is "sampling" and so forth. All I know is that I was kinda hoping any new PowerBook would be using this particular chip and that perhaps that explains this long wait?

That's the bright spot I keep holding on to. Maybe there's a true, valid reason for all this silence and waiting. Apple knows they're going to use this 7457 and they just need to buy some time until it's ready?

As for the G5 PowerBook, I still fall into the camp of "it's quite a ways off, fellas...". I just don't think we'll see one within 9 or so months. I really don't.

I think we'll see this 7457 first, and judging by history, it'll be in there for a good while (6, 8 or 10 months maybe?). But that's fine because by all accounts, it seems to be a pretty nice chip and an improvement over the current one.

I'll wait a bit...
post #80 of 305
Motorola said they're moving up production of the '57 to Q3 from their original thinking of Q4. Maybe they had some big customer egging them on.

As for G5 PBs, January at the very earliest. We've been led to think that it'll take until at least Feb. for the 970 to shrink down to .09ยต but maybe East Fishkill is performing better than expected.

My WAG is the PBG5 will debut at 1.4 GHz to 1.6 GHz in early '04. Is it worth waiting for? Sure, for some who have fairly recent 'Books but there are lots of folks, me included, who need a new PB NOW. I didn't get the first PPC, either.
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