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post #1 of 1177
7/27/03 at 1:36am
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I figured we'd separate this thread from the main OS X Panther one. Anybody who is running this build post here!
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post #2 of 1177
7/27/03 at 8:59am
According to ThinkSecret, it's a major overhaul as far as stability and range of technologies affected. Enough bug fixes that they didn't want to list them all. Call it DP2 I guess.
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post #3 of 1177
7/27/03 at 10:32am
There's really no need for two Panther threads. The differences don't really warrant another thread IMO. But I'm not a Mod so we'll see.
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post #4 of 1177
7/27/03 at 12:44pm
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Generally I agree. It's just really confusing when people are posting info and some newbies are like, "It doesn't do that in mine!" then we'll have the whole 20 post thread explaining which version it's in. It's just nice to know if people are talking about something it's for 7b21.
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post #5 of 1177
7/27/03 at 4:28pm
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Hurm. I'm torn. I hate redundant threads, but you're right, there's been a spate of confusion in the other thread. Let's let this one live for now, since it looks like the B series is sufficiently different that it will create even yet more confusion.
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post #6 of 1177
7/27/03 at 6:27pm
So far what I've heard is mondo bug fixes and performance boosts across the board. Haven't been told of any new features really. Just much more polished than the DP1 build.
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post #7 of 1177
7/27/03 at 8:32pm
For all the build-up in devloper previews this version is getting, this better be one orgasm of an operating system.
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post #8 of 1177
7/27/03 at 8:34pm
I already came twice I think.



kidding. That might happen when I get my G5 though. Once when I open the box, and again when I boot it and launch Photoshop in record time.

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post #9 of 1177
7/27/03 at 10:20pm
This is a silly question, but I've heard Chess has been updated with true 3-D graphics (including reflections). Neat.

But here's the question. Have they added as well an easier level of difficulty to that cursed program?
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post #10 of 1177
7/27/03 at 11:01pm
In all likelyhood, the 3d chess is just a port of GLChess. I'm guessing; I haven't seen screenshots of the new chess.

Yes, GnuChess is damn hard. Even 'easy' is impossibly difficult for a n00b like me. Damn you computer!!!
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post #11 of 1177
7/27/03 at 11:51pm
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Originally posted by inkhead
Generally I agree. It's just really confusing when people are posting info and some newbies are like, "It doesn't do that in mine!" then we'll have the whole 20 post thread explaining which version it's in. It's just nice to know if people are talking about something it's for 7b21.


no doubt. I don't think we'll see too many updates for Panther anyways but who knows. I'm still hoping for some suprise features. Keep those reports coming in!
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post #12 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:06am
Something interesting worth noting:

This build comes with a new voice Vicki that weighs in at a whopping 45.4 MB! Compare that to Agnes, Bruce, and Victoria, the current "high quality" voices, at 1.6 MB each and you may get an idea of the major change here.

MacinTalk has been updated from version 3.1 to version 3.2.

I'll record an audio clip later this afternoon.
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post #13 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:49am
Blah. The voice sucks. It's barely any better than Victoria. However, all of the voices sound a little odd. It would seem that some other improvements are on the way for MacinTalk that aren't yet complete.

There are a number of other cool changes here, though. I'll make detailed posts like I did with the previous sticky later this evening.

In the mean time, the terminal geeks can drool over this:

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Last login: Mon Jul 28 10:39:02 on console
-bash-2.05b$

It's the new default. Yes, ladies and gentlemen. Say hello to bash.
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post #14 of 1177
7/28/03 at 8:01am
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Originally posted by Brad
It's the new default. Yes, ladies and gentlemen. Say hello to bash.

Only because tcsh doesn't support UTF-8.
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post #15 of 1177
7/28/03 at 8:58am
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Originally posted by Brad
Blah. The voice sucks. It's barely any better than Victoria.

I would think they would have to swap out for a totally new speech technology. Sounds like Vicki was some sort of stab at Victoria using the existing tech, but I imagine they will either license another or develop their own tech. Or maybe Vicki is interoperable with existing and new (unseen) voice tech, and sounds that much better with the (imagined) new stuff? I dunno.

They haven't really invested in voice since 1985, and I've assumed since the Jag UE guidelines came out they this would become a priority with Panther.

I wait with baited breathe for the new screenies.
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post #16 of 1177
7/28/03 at 9:23am
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
I wait with baited breathe for the new screenies.

Oh, it'll be well worth the wait. I'm at 37 snapshots plus one video of new changes so far.

Did I mention that Safari 1.1 v89 is included too?
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post #17 of 1177
7/28/03 at 9:27am
one improvement id really like to see in terminal
is tabbed windows

take a look at konsole the term app that comes
with kde.
makes using/managing multiple terminals extremely easy
& its one feature well worth looking into
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post #18 of 1177
7/28/03 at 9:32am
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Oh lord. MDI lives. Again.
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post #19 of 1177
7/28/03 at 9:52am
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Originally posted by madmax559
one improvement id really like to see in terminal
is tabbed windows

take a look at konsole the term app that comes
with kde.
makes using/managing multiple terminals extremely easy
& its one feature well worth looking into

Cmd-[n]. Been there since at least Cheetah. Allows you to switch among (up to 9) windows of arbitrary size.

I've used konsole. Cmd-[n] is far preferable to how Konsole handles things.

Or, if you like, you could use Exposé
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post #20 of 1177
7/28/03 at 10:01am
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Originally posted by Brad
Oh, it'll be well worth the wait. I'm at 37 snapshots plus one video of new changes so far.

Did I mention that Safari 1.1 v89 is included too?

i always look foward to your thorough review brad...you do such a good job for those of us who decided to wait till the final panther release before instaling unlike jag which caused some slight problems

(no i'm not just trying to suck up)
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post #21 of 1177
7/28/03 at 12:07pm
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Originally posted by madmax559
one improvement id really like to see in terminal
is tabbed windows

take a look at konsole the term app that comes
with kde.
makes using/managing multiple terminals extremely easy
& its one feature well worth looking into

It's called cmd-N.
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post #22 of 1177
7/28/03 at 2:37pm
Come on, Brad, you son of a bitch!! Let's get this show on the road!!! hehe
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post #23 of 1177
7/28/03 at 2:47pm
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Originally posted by Gambit
Come on, Brad, you son of a bitch!! Let's get this show on the road!!! hehe

Son of a bitch?

I want to hear vicki say that.
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post #24 of 1177
7/28/03 at 5:00pm
this one's gonna be a doozy, folks. i've seen half of the pictures/video.
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post #25 of 1177
7/28/03 at 5:42pm
Tease

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post #26 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:01pm
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For me I'd say this release is actually more unstable. I did a full clean install on my g4. While more bug fixes it's the first time I've ever had kernal panics. I saw them several times with pppoe. Several other people are reporting the same.

I think it's either really stable or really crappy. Guess it depends on your computer model.
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post #27 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:04pm
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Originally posted by inkhead
For me I'd say this release is actually more unstable. I did a full clean install on my g4. While more bug fixes it's the first time I've ever had kernal panics. I saw them several times with pppoe. Several other people are reporting the same.

I think it's either really stable or really crappy. Guess it depends on your computer model.

http://bugreporter.apple.com/
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post #28 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:33pm


This thing better be the damn Taj Mahal!
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post #29 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:38pm
let's just say that the stuff that i've seen makes me very certain that the same level of spit-and-polish that was present in OS 9 is definitely making a reappearance in Panther.


And, when you switch to the 'classic' finder- toolbar and sidebarless- it's not metal.
There is a method to the metal madness.

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post #30 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:41pm
i thought it was like it in the first DP too...
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post #31 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:49pm
naw, it was metal.


it's aqua. like. stripey.
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post #32 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:51pm
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Originally posted by Jonathan
And, when you switch to the 'classic' finder- toolbar and sidebarless- it's not metal.
There is a method to the metal madness.

Hold the phone, Nancyboy! It changes on the fly like that when you hit the toolbar widget? When it's in "Classic Finder" mode, can you still have the same folder/location open in two windows at the same time? That really seemed to PO the people who went out of their way to do that.
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post #33 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:52pm
so whats the eta on these pics?... I want to go to sleep...

(brad I would IM you, but my iChat is busted and I'm too lazy to fix it...)
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post #34 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:52pm
wwdc build:



eat it, pauline.
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post #35 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:52pm
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If you set the scrolling speed higher it feels exactly like the beautiful scrolling in Windows XP on my 2ghz Dell workstation with a 64mb video card.

This is on my 600mhz G4 (upgraded) B&W with a 16mb video card.

Also it seems in this build they finally fixed the column views in open/save dialogs. These previously never drilled down right and sometimes would stop drilling down when you clicked on a folder. This has been a bug since the beginning of OS X. With this fix the open and save magically feel 10x more powerful.

Way to go Apple.

This build is very VERY picky about old preferences and old settings from your library. Don't copy stuff over into the new one or you will see plenty of kernel panics.

PPPoe gave me a kernal panic the first time around when it continued to connect trying the wrong password. Once I'm connected my connection is much more stable than previous builds. Previous builds would drop the connection and not be able to reconnect without changing settings in Network.

I also notice I get much faster speeds in speed tests right outta the box. Maybe Apple tweaks the connection settings now?

** DAMN scroll speeds are so fluid even when i have a dialog box like the post window. It is just like windows. Move over the dialog box and it scrolls super fast, move over the page area and the page scrolls just as fast. No more choppiness!
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post #36 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:53pm
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
When it's in "Classic Finder" mode, can you still have the same folder/location open in two windows at the same time?


no
see sticky thread
been like that since the first DP

jon:
meh, you win... i havent played on my panther macs on account that between me trying to install virtual PC and win XP pro corporate they both are borked...

clean installing both is going to suck considering it will be the 3rd time...
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post #37 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:53pm


Is the latest Finder build metal or isn't it? I wasn't aware there was more than one version in any of the builds.

Brad, we must have screens immediately!

8)
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post #38 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:54pm
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
Hold the phone, Nancyboy! It changes on the fly like that when you hit the toolbar widget? When it's in "Classic Finder" mode, can you still have the same folder/location open in two windows at the same time? That really seemed to PO the people who went out of their way to do that.

i have no idea-

i think it's the same, but stripey. so as to convey the sense that 'hey, it's different' to those luddites.
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post #39 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:56pm
the finder is metal while in -toolbar+sidebar/toolbar mode.

it switches to aqua when you hit the oblong toolbar/sidebar hide widget.


it switches appearances on the fly, yes.
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post #40 of 1177
7/28/03 at 7:57pm
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It changes on the fly.
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