Panther 7B** Builds Discussion (images on page 2 & 5) - Page 4

YARR MATEY!!

Its not identical! it's Aqua and a helluvalot better imo
Sure it has the sidebar, coz it has the same functions
but I wouldnt have the feeling I want to make a playlist

I see what you people mean by calling the Aqua part of
the Finder Simple Mode, if a user had only acces to Simple
Finder all windows are Aqua. (no metal) Windows work completely
different though, you can then only have ONE window open..
If you are an admin I wouldnt call it Simple Finder Mode but Multi
Window Mode coz you can have as many toolbarless windows that
you want.

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Originally posted by Brad
That's identical to Panther's finder except that it's Aqua instead of brushed metal and the separated back/forward buttons

Just being a smarta___ but, what does identical mean ? Is that like twins where one is identical and the other is not ?

Anyway, thanks for all the great panther stuff.

How much (or whether) the Spatial Finder is used should be up to the individual user.

John, I guess I could use a little clarification on how your Finder proposal differs from what's being offered in this build then. Thanks!

Didn't I write a big article on this topic or something?

Obviously, I will comment on the Finder as it exists in the final release version of Panther. But there's little sense in picking apart reports of developer builds, IMO, since I'd just be making more work for myself

In the meantime, I think anyone who really cares how "pre-release Finder build XYZ" compares with my proposal has the information required to make such a comparison. Maybe I'll post some clarifications later, but answering specific questions would be easier than rewriting the whole article (which you've all read, of course... ;-)

Zip is easily extensible to handle things like resource forks. It was the compression format of choice for BeOS, and it handled Be's "attributes" (very similar to MacOS resources) easily enough. I would expect Apple to extend zip similarly. Hey, I'm sure there are some ex-Be employees looking for a job that could do it for them! :-)

That seems fair. In case you have insanely great ideas, Apple will have the chance to implement then to your liking AFTER the development phase is done? Great plan!

i'm both impressed by your use of color for BE OS and saddened that u took the time to do that haha

It was easy thanks to the wonder of vB Code.

inkhead:
a few questions on ical 1.5 if you don't mind...
1) have any networking functions (i.e. calendar sharing) been activated?
2) is there an option to set a reminder for tasks?
thanks
badlydrawnboy

My "insanely great ideas" for the Finder were in an article published before Panther DP was released.

Brad / Inkhead:

Re: iCal

Can you now visually split the same event across days or parts of a single day? That is, start on Monday, skip Tuesday, finish Wednesday. OR, Start and 9:00 a.m., stop at 11:00 a.m., continue and finish from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m?

Until iCal can visually do things like this without forcing users to create multiple instances of the same event, it will be [difficult for many business types to use it effectively].

This has been bothering me with Jaguar, and I'm wondering if it's been fixed [or improved?] in Jaguar .....



When you have multiple "locations" for your network settings ....

In Jaguar :

If you have an icon in the menubar for your "dial-up" connection, that icon still stays there when you switch to a different location that doesn't require that icon being there [thus, taking up space that's un-needed].



Is this behavior different in panther? or still the same?

I have about 5-6 different location settings (thanks to my powerbook's mobility for that ) and I really hate having all of the icons up in the menubar all at once [dial-up, PPPoE, airport, etc.]. I would prefer to only have them show up when I'm using that "location" setting.

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I'd love to see some iCal screenshots. Can one of you post some?

Thanks to everyone for the great info!

Cheers,
John

My one peeve is.. well, two actually.

1. I don't like all the wasted space on the border there. Tell me that it is possible to have multiple versions of these windows open? If so, it's just a waste of space. Even if it was only 3 pixels thick instead of.. what looks like 8 or so.

2. I wanna remove just the Sidebar, or just the Toolbar. I want the option to have the toolbar available but not open in the same window. Or at the very least, cram a Search box in the Status bar so I can at least use that. I hate having to toggle the toolbar now to search from the current location. I do this all the time.

3. Ok, so there's three. Sosumi! Anyway, I would prefer if instead of that side bar Apple made it into a sort of "Dock" that lives on the side or bottom of the screen and appears when you start dragging a file. Not only would it take less room, but it'd be damn cool. And it'd have all the volumes listed as well as being customizable like the Dock. But I'll see when it comes out.


I don't MIND the Zip format, but the way I've always been able to tell when a file is usable on my Mac and not some Windows specific file/application compressed is by the extension. If it was a SIT or HQX I'd know, KNOW that it would work on my iMac and I didn't need to fear. Now it's just gonna get more confusing.


I too would like to see iCal if it's been changed at all. I use it all the time as sort of a Journal. Also so I know my work schedule. And since I'm in there all the time, I might as well see what is coming soon.


My friend was gonna "acquire" me a copy of 10.3, but it was probably an older one. Now I don't know if I even wanna bother with what looks to be completely outdated now.

All I ask of Apple is a DATE! And I don't mean December 31st.

its just a mockup, just an idear to show how the same 10.3 Finder
with the same functions as the original brushed 10.3 Finder would
look if it had an Aqua interface
Its basically the same darn application only with (much better imo)
an Aqua interface. So it can have searchbox etc, whatever you want.

The real 10.3 Finder has this extra space too, needs it to separate
the sidebar. I agree it could be a lot thinner, but that is up to Apple.

If they made it using standard tools, it could be up to us. I'd hack that first thing out of the box.

I haven't tried the B release of panther yet but came across some news on Macbidouille (pinch of salt required) that one reader saw impressive (or just plain wrong?) battry life estimates. Just thought I'd pass it on

Macbidouille [Translated]

It seems likely Panther will just flatten the files before archiving them, the way it's handled when files get copied/moved to Windows machines. Then they would get unflattened when the archive is expanded.

Here's a question about AirPort for anyone out there with Panther: what version of the AirPort software is installed? Is it 3.1 or later? I ask because I hope that it still lets you stick any Broadcom-based 802.11g PC card into a PowerBook and let you enjoy AirPort Extreme goodness on a pre-AirPort Extreme Mac. Read all about it here . So far this is working wonderfully with a 550 MHz TiBook and a Japanese Linksys card (hey, it was cheaper in Tokyo than in Canada!) and I really hope there are no changes in Panther than will muck things up.

i must say compared to the previous panther build this one seems, hmm, buggier, out of nowhere itll do this thing where my mouse and keyboard stop working, i can still move the mouse arrow but cant click on things, and for some reason labels arnt working, and finally as other's have noticed, using your ipod with itunes appears to be a no no. however, it has some good points.

the new preview is awsome, esspecially the cropping images part
zip'ing from the finder is nicely done
expose is ALOT smoother (on a g4 450 with rage pro 16mb pci)
new iCal
Safari seems better

all in all the team did a good job, this thing definately is faster then the previous one, but i should hope we see a software update soon to address some of the bugs.

Does safari 1.1 have a contextual menu item for "back" and "forward"? My needs are modest, really.

zip is the last thing we need (old and bad).

maybe negotiations are underway with aladdin for using stuffit! Otherwise, why don't they use tar and gzip?

Nope. Sorry.

Ah! Before I forget:

Safari 1.1 properly animates multiple instances of GIFs on one page!



Oh yes. That's nice.

I'll get to the images and questions after I have some dinner. Fear not, proles! I will return later tonight with a hearty bounty.

Yay !!! finally multiple dancing :banana: 's not that we have them in smilies on this site..

K but the real reason for the post, MacDoubbie are posting some impressive speed numbers for a test machine iMac 600mhz when compared to 10.2.6... can someone here back up these kinda claims..

http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu....2003-07-30#290

Thanks

we need the bananas

Yes, yes, I realize that, but I like the new Finder with the new Aqua look.... exactly like his picture illustrated. I know Apple is trying to get across to users that the Finder is now an application and they're trying to keep their interface across the board (as far as their apps are concerned) but I still am 'blah' about a brushed metal Finder. Your mileage my vary.

...and used by a lot of PC folks who send me their documents.

Oh Oh! Exposé also minimizes windows to their respective screens now rather than pulling all windows from all screens onto the main screen!

It also drives me INSANE when I am loading a page in Safari and I switch to a different browser window and the background page fails loading. The page is immediately brought to the front and a sheet is spit out at you completely interrupting what you are doing.

-Chris

Hey. At least we Mac users are smart enough to know that a SIT or HQX is Stuffit and our computers usually come with the tools to open them as well as ZIP files. Windows doesn't. The only good reason for Stuffit now is to provide OS 7-9 compatability.

Still, I'd rather have an option. I mentioned before why.

Is bluetooth working in this version? I've got a 12" pb and addressbook crashes as soon as it opens. I've got a sneaking suspicion that the BT is killing it... Anyone with a 12" care to corroborate?

I'm on a 12" PB, too and am getting a crash after opening Address Book as well. If you look at the stack trace, it's crashing after IOBluetoothLocalDeviceAvailable... I've tried it with BT on and off and it fails the same way each time.

Brad, I have a few questions about the new Finder.

1) If I open my hard drive - or any folder - on the desktop, switch to browser mode (if not there already), then close the window, which finder mode do I see when:

- I double-click the hard drive again?
- I drag a file over the hard drive?

2) I have a bunch of windows open on the screen, and frontmost is a finder window. Can I complete a drag-drop operation by dragging a file to the 'Exposé desktop' corner, hovering over my hard drive, then navigating via spring-loaded folders to a location nested within?

3) What is the spring-loaded behavior for items in a Finder window's sidebar? Does this differ based on which view the window is in?

4) Any sighting of spring-loaded dock folders?

Thanks!

(In an earlier post, someone said Apple's success with the revamped Finder will lie in its handling of the details... and I heartily agree. If they can't nail drag-drop & spring-loaded interaction, most of Apple's effort spent achieving a spatial Finder is moot, IMHO.)

Is that a good thing or not? I'm trying to vizualize what you're saying, but I don't think I'm quite getting it. So I can't switch between all the applications running, even if the windows are hidden or the application i hidden?

Jason