Panther 7B** Builds Discussion (images on page 2 & 5) - Page 5

Crash Report

It looks like Apple has taken a page from Omni's book here! When an app crashes, you have the option of sending feedback to Apple as I pointed out on page 2. Here are the screens that follow after:

Crash Report - entry dialog
Crash Report - the help file for the above

iCal

No, the event scheduling is basically the same. You can't break up events like you are describing.

iCal - main window showing the drawer and the panels
iCal - repeat this slides out like a weird sheet in the middle of the drawer

Finder

Okay, to get back to this one. Here are a couple of images. I put absolutely nothing in the folders shown here. All of the contents were generated automatically.

Finder - Network - icon view
Finder - Network - one level deeper

The default is browser mode. In both of these cases, when the window opens, it's in the metal browser mode. If you switch to the Classic Aqua mode and try these both, the window stays Classic Aqua.
No, when you do this, Exposé is activated, but the circle-slash proxy is added to the cursor as you keep dragging the file.
First, the sidebar is *only* visible in the metal browser mode. The "spring loading" loads the directory into the current window as if you had clicked the item.
No.

Apple claims iDisk is significantly improved in the Finder. Indeed it is, but it's because Apple is cheating in a way. It's downloading the entire contents of your iDisk and accessing that, syncing the changes as they're made. Here are some images of the process:

Finder - iDisk - setting up
Finder - iDisk - syncing
Finder - iDisk - error
Finder - iDisk - disabled
Finder - iDisk - after being disabled

System Preferences - iDisk

Another thing about the sidebar that is very nice is that when resizing, it snaps to three places: the far left hiding it completely, fitting the icon only, and fitting the icon and labels exactly. When you double-click the grabber, it snaps totally closed or to the previous open size. When in icon mode, hover the mouse over the icon to get this:

Finder - sidebar tooltip

Classic

And finally, I'm so happy to have this feature enabled, I've made a brief movie showing that Classic is indeed double buffered.

Classic - no more eraser!!

Just out of curiosity (I don't use classic very often); how does classic apps perform now (how Snappy), when the environment is double-buffered? Does it have any impact on performance, or is this just a win-win feature?

have to agree with millhouse - 7B21 is way buggier than 7A*. Apple clearly spent lots of time rounding off 7A21 for WWDC and did a v good job. 7B21 is more experimental I think ( there were good builds and bad builds of jag too).

Roll on the next update. Given the quality of 7A21 still think we'll see Panther in September.

HQX is not StuffIt. It's not compression at all, just encoding for resource forks.

1. Are there any new formats for printing iCal Calendars, ie. Franklin Planner or Day Timer formats? Or can you Export... to other formats?

2. Are the buttons to the right on the Cocoa Font Panel Toolbar built in Drop Shadow effects?

Yes, and the effect look really good.

P.

1. Nope, no new export formats. Remember, folks, that this isn't a "whole integer" update to iCal. On the whole, it only has minor interface changes so far.

2 TextEdit - Shadow Effects

no, they are technically good, but visually awful...

That's what I thought was happening, too. Too bad I can't send a bug report to Apple. I hope someone will.

Check out Print Center (Centre) - you can make any printer a Desktop Printer, and there's a 'Pool Printers' option as well.

You mean Dock Printer, right?

What does "Pool Printers" do?

What is springloaded?

re: using Exposé to drag and drop to a folder... This actually works for me. What I'm doing:

1. Finder window is open, with 2 photoshp documents inside of it.
2. I select and drag one of the documents to the Exposé desktop corner (in my case, the bottom right).
3. Once the windows are all out of the way (and actually, semi-visible at the edges, unlike te original Panther release where all windows were simply off of the screen), I continue to drag the file to the hard drive icon. I get the plus icon modifier, as i'm copying the file from another drive.
4. I wait until the spring-loaded action starts, and can navigate my way around until I find the folder I want to put the file into.

This works for me. I'm confused as to why the other user would get a circle/line icon modifier instead of the plus. Or is this not what you asked?

Basically whatever you're hovering a file over just opens up in front of you, while you're still dragging the file. For example, in the Finder, there's spring-loaded folders.

Anyway, it seems like the Panther builds are looking better and better. I'm coming back here everyday to see if the final release may come out to be something that I'd buy.

Hell, I'd have paid 1/2 price for the "buggy" developer builds.

No, that's exactly what I asked. I'm really happy to hear that this works - thank you!

Re: those semi-visible windows at the edges in 3. above, can you drag to one of those windows? What happens?

the semi-visible windows dont really do anything when dragging files... they dont respond at all. however, if you havent started dragging anything, clicking on any of them will bring all the windows back, but indiscriminately... clicking on one doesnt bring that one to the front.

Yes. I just did it. Undo works for that copy operation too.

What do they do anyway? Do they just expand on Jaguar or do they rewrite some things to work better? And is half price half of what Jaguar costed?

I dunno about Expose..I don't think I've ever tried anything like it. However, it probably would be useful. Maybe they should spend a little time on interface customization, but that's just my opinion.

Well, new features (Exposé, fast user switching, new open/save dialogs, built-in faxing) and new apps (iChat AV, Font Book, Activity Monitor, etc) expand on Jaguar's feature set. But also many, many components of the OS and apps have also been revised or rewritten. Not to mention the reports of improved UI responsiveness.

altkev was just saying that he'd easily pay $65 just for the Panther dev builds, as there's so much that's been improved. I wouldn't expect Panther to cost anything less than full price.

Anyway -- just read, and look at the screenshots, in this thread and the previous WWDC build thread. It appears that nearly every part of the OS has been updated to some degree.


Well, that's not a surprising reaction to an innovative feature, eh? All I can say is every bone in my body says that Exposé will be very, very useful for me.

anyone have a quick list of major apps that are broken right now in panther? Do most 10.2 apps work normally?

Well, every text view in the OS is currently broken. Those with panther can try it - open up a plain text document in TextEdit or any text file in Xcode and start typing. As you go, your text insertion point curseor (the blinking line) gets farther and farther ahead of where the text actually is. This makes it *REALLY* hard to select and edit text.

Typing punctuation appears to sync it up, but the text will continue to be offset from that new punctuation mark.

Hey Brad, can you take some more movies? I'd really like to see everything, and can you take some pictures of the Calculator?

And what did you mean that the DVD Player has a grabber; do you mean you can take a screenshot of the DVD playing? If so, that's awesome, but I doubt that's what you meant. Apple currently has the function for taking pictures disabled while a DVD is in. (edit: I think you meant you can resize the DVD window, which is still awesome)

Thanks for all the info!

PS: This is one of the first times I have posted here, and I have to say, this is an awesome forum, very well designed and finished!

You promised a screenshot of the "changed" list view too, Brad.

re: text view bugs

i dont see this bug in either TextEdit or BBEdit... build 7B, too...

The latest version of Toast is broken in 10.3

Only for text that is aliased. It sounds like your threshold for antialiasing is set too high.

Question: Do icons that utilize the Finder's preview icon option still not highlight in the latest build (at least on the desktop)? Or does the new "background" highlight effect take care of this?

Good question! It's the main reason I can't keep Preview Icon on on the Desktop cause you can't tell when an icon's selected.

Also, how about when an image is being downloaded and the icon preview is "broken". Will it update itself to fix it later? Or do I still have to QUIT the Finder to get the icon to refresh? God, I hate that!

Anyone noticed that in 7B21 printing is broken? Seems gimp-print drivers work but all third party drivers are broken. I also can't get idle sleep to work (going to sleep when computer is idle for x minutes). Idle sleep doesn't work for the display either. Aside from those two issues, 7B21 rocks. Unfortunately I can't use it full time due to those issues though.

Nope.




And I have 10 point text in both of those programs.

Safari no likey?

[edit] Thanks!

iDisk syncing is slow first time out, so I posted it on another server. Sorry.

I've got an iCal question, can you have events stretch across days now? I'd like an event from 11pm one day until 5am the next... iCal never draws this correctly...

Ditto.

Yah, iCal works for multi-day events now.

Is this what you mean?

Yay! Teriffic!

This build 7B21 has been so buggy for me. Expose isn't working anymore and I can't start my computer without it crashing unless I hold the option key and select the drive for some reason. Anyone else having the same problems.