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post #241 of 1177
Can any one tell me if Exposé when in that mode lets the windows update like say you have the iTunes Visualizer on and you do Exposé can you still see the smaller itunes window with the Visualizer going? Or say a quicktime movie still playing and such?

Hope you understand what i mean

Frank_t
post #242 of 1177
OK... enough with the UI stuff.
Important but not as important as AUDIO/MIDI issues to me! Ha.
So, I read once that one can use their DV device form the Audio Out pref... Correct? Any details?...

Also, is there a new Audio Midi Setup ap?...
(Usually found in the Utilities folder. )
There is a big need for some BIG improvements to the speed and functionality in OSX for us audio pros...

Also wish we could use mLam or Firewire to stream audio midi channels from one computer to another already!!!
Thanks Brad and others for any info!
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post #243 of 1177
Does Panther's Mail.app support viewing only subscribed IMAP folders?

For example, with Jaguar Mail.app, when I setup my IMAP account, I see nearly two dozen folders (many of them with a period in front of the name to indicate their intended invisibility). Mail.app doesn't allow me any function to make those folders disappear and not show in my folder list.

Entourage does. Mozilla Mail does (same with Thunderbird), but I'd really like to use Mail.app because of Address Book integration.

Thanks in advance for an answer

If you need me to set you up a testing IMAP account, just ask.

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post #244 of 1177
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Originally posted by frank_t
Can any one tell me if Exposé when in that mode lets the windows update...

Yes, windows update while shrunk by Exposé. It's very nice.
post #245 of 1177
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Originally posted by MacPulse
Does Panther's Mail.app support viewing only subscribed IMAP folders?

Nope, that's still not implemented.
post #246 of 1177
For those that were asking, I can confirm that the exchange support for mail works. I didn't manage to send an email via it, but I could connect to my work mailbox and subfolders.

I didn't get chance to check out what happens with the exchange calendar - it appears as a folder on the right.
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post #247 of 1177
Thanks Brad....i wonder why you never replied to any of my PM's

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post #248 of 1177
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Originally posted by frank_t
Thanks Brad....i wonder why you never replied to any of my PM's

What? I keep all my PMs and I'm looking through my past 100 messages dating back through May and I don't have a single one from your account. Please double-check your Sent messages folder that they went to the right account and resend anything of importance to me.
post #249 of 1177
Thanks for the iCal shots Brad. Nice that you can now stretch an event across multiple days, but it truly sucks that you cannot split an event up with time in the middle to do other things. Happens all the time in real life and business, hopefully Apple understands this and will add it soon.
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post #250 of 1177
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Originally posted by Brad
What? I keep all my PMs and I'm looking through my past 100 messages dating back through May and I don't have a single one from your account. Please double-check your Sent messages folder that they went to the right account and resend anything of importance to me.

Wired i know i sent you 2 PM's.....i'm sure of it....may have been a software bug at the time....anyway i sent you a new PM...hope you get it this time.

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post #251 of 1177
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Originally posted by scoop
Nope, that's still not implemented.

Well that stinks.

Anyone know where I can go to request that the IMAP feature of viewing only subscribed folders be added? Is there some sort of developer feedback forum or feature request page?

Thanks,

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post #252 of 1177
As for the end-user, you can go here.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

I'm sure there is a page for developers, but I'm not one, so I can't comment on that.
post #253 of 1177
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where I can go to request that the IMAP feature of viewing only subscribed folders be added?

I made that request between 10.0 and 10.1 (IIRC), and one of the Apple Mail developers responded by telling me that the fault lies with the IMAP server, not the mail client. IOW, if you see a bunch of dot files, you should move your mail directory to ~/Mail or somesuch so only mail is in that directory. This can be done by the IMAP server admin, or (in most cases) by the user if there is shell access to the IMAP server.

I told him that the feature was good for more than just hiding dot files on poorly configured IMAP servers, but he did not seem convinced. Here we are at 10.3 and (apparently) nothing's changed. But then, I complain about a lot of things, so maybe they just ignore me...
post #254 of 1177
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Originally posted by CubeDude
As for the end-user, you can go here.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

I'm sure there is a page for developers, but I'm not one, so I can't comment on that.

Thanks for the link. Using the popup menus I was able to select Panther 10.3 and Mail.

Here's what I wrote. Hope they read it:
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Most IMAP mail servers have invisible folders whose filename often begins with a period to indicate their intended invisibility.

When using Mac OS X Mail, all those invisible folders show up, and Mail tries to also download all the messages in them. On my particular server, there are 24 of these various folders.

Clearly this clutters up my view and slows down my IMAP sessions.

Any chance that Mac OS X Mail could be made to support the ability to only display subscribed folders?

Other modern email clients, like Microsoft Entourage, Mozilla Mail, Mozilla Thunderbird, and Powermail all support this feature. Outlook Express 4 and 5 under OS 9 Classic also support this feature.

With the email clients listed above, in conjunction with my IMAP server, I am able to select what folders I'd like displayed in my folder list, and also select what folders I would like to have automatically updated/downloaded.

I currently use Mozilla Thunderbird for this feature... but I would love to switch back to Mac OS X Mail, mainly because of it's Address Book and iPhoto integration.

Mac OS X Mail is by far a superior email program, and this feature would be a great addition to the next Panther 10.3 release!

Thanks for considering my feature request.

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post #255 of 1177
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Originally posted by John
I made that request between 10.0 and 10.1 (IIRC), and one of the Apple Mail developers responded by telling me that the fault lies with the IMAP server, not the mail client. IOW, if you see a bunch of dot files, you should move your mail directory to ~/Mail or somesuch so only mail is in that directory. This can be done by the IMAP server admin, or (in most cases) by the user if there is shell access to the IMAP server.

Funny he should blame the IMAP server.

Funny because all the other modern email clients (even not so modern ones) that support IMAP have this feature

Hopefully they'll get over blaming someone else and stick it in there. I'd love to see that in Panther's Mail.

I'm also the admin of my box. Mail is stored seperate of my root home directory, in ~/imap.

The dot directories on my box are from two things, the Open Webmail program (which stores an index of the perldb as the name of the directory with a period in front of it) and from the IMAP server itself, with various settings files and what not.

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post #256 of 1177
Anyone try running a Windows app in it?

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Next, Apple's newest version of OS X, called Panther -- which is scheduled to debut later this year -- will let corporations run Windows applications on their Macs. That's a major plus, considering that nearly all companies use Windows.

From this Business Week article:Business Week
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post #257 of 1177
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Originally posted by murk
Anyone try running a Windows app in it?



From this Business Week article:Business Week

I recall reading about a new technology called Lindows that (independently, or so I had thought, of Apple) would run Windows programs under Linux.

Should I be curious that this article says that <i>corporations</i> can run Windows programs? Does this mean that only Mac OS X Server has this capability?

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post #258 of 1177
Lindows is a Linux distrobution, not a new technology.
post #259 of 1177
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I recall reading about a new technology called Lindows that (independently, or so I had thought, of Apple) would run Windows programs under Linux.

Wine. It's nothing new. Wine stands for "Windows is not emulated" and acts very much like Classic does. It WILL NEVER work on Mac OS X as long as we are using Power PC chips because it, well, does *not* emulate the chip for the binaries. It's a virtual machine that implements Windows API calls. Do a search and you'll find plenty of subjects on this.

As for the discussion about the Business Week article, it's most likely a typo or misunderstanding and people are reading WAY too much into it. There's already a thread debating it in General Discussion. Use that one. Please, let's not duplicate that discussion here.
post #260 of 1177
I got to see 7B21 and noticed when the guy opened an app that there was a kind of splash animation thingymabob happening instead of the usual zooming windows type thingy. I know it's not a major change, but I was curious to see even such little changes......

As for the iApps metal Finder debate goes..... who gives a damn! if the OS is speeding up and becoming even better. Anyway I'm sure there will eventually be choice, infact I'm willing to bet that the final version of Panther will give that choice.

One last thing could someone with the technology screen grab what I was talking about above, cos am beginning to think I imagined it!!

TKS in advance and also TKS for some great information guys 'n' gals!

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post #261 of 1177
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I got to see 7B21 and noticed when the guy opened an app that there was a kind of splash animation thingymabob happening instead of the usual zooming windows type thingy.

I take it you haven't read this thread. I posted a video of this on one of my posts on page 2 or 5 (like it says in the title of the thread).
post #262 of 1177
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Originally posted by Brad
Wine. It's nothing new. Wine stands for "Windows is not emulated" and acts very much like Classic does.

Actually it stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator.

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I recall reading about a new technology called Lindows that (independently, or so I had thought, of Apple) would run Windows programs under Linux.

As stated above, Lindows is a linux distribution. It's made to look & feel like WIndows. But it's just linux, hence, Lindows.
post #263 of 1177
7B28 has now been seeded and is available to Select ADC members apparently. No details aside from what we got last time - another "extensive engineering effort" that affects all parts of the OS.
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post #264 of 1177
Here's the link to the Think Secret article on 7B28.
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post #265 of 1177
Brad... someone... anyone! Please post info/screenshots of the update ASAP!

I can't stand the suspense!

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post #266 of 1177
this is quite fast with apple, just two weeks ago panther 7b21 was seeded, and now this, kudos to them, i would wonder though that in this build are.

Finder labels fixed
will iChat not disconnect you when you switch users

other then that im wondering if this thing is well even speedier then 7b21
post #267 of 1177
MOSR has already weighed in with "developer feedback". [Insert MOSR joke here.]


Tuesday, August 5 10:04 PM

New update due tomorrow; get your e-mails in now!

To whet your appetites.... Apple has seeded build 7B28 of Panther, and already the grapevine has much to say. "Noticeably faster than 7B21, which was itself already much faster than Jaguar," gushed one source. Another said, "Applications launch faster, network file copies are MUCH faster especially on Gigabit Ethernet, and Quake 3 is getting 5-10 frames per second more than 7B21 which was 5-10 frames per second faster than Jaguar depending on the hardware...."

Reports have so far been almost uniformly positive. In fact, more than one source has gone so far as to say that they prefer Panther to Jaguar, not just for features and performance improvements, but that it appears to be more stable under conditions that cause problems in Jaguar! Updated components include:

*Webcore
*CUPS
*QuickTime
*Finder
*Script Editor
*Launch Services
*Core Audio
*OpenGL
*Mail
*Carbon
*Graphics Card Drivers
*Mach Kernel
*AppKit
*HI Toolbox
*Navigation Services
*Printing
*AFP

....among numerous others. One developer source reported that Quartz Extreme, which previously has shown roughly flat performance with any supported graphics accelerator, now appears to take greater advantage of more recent, high-powered 3D cards such as the GeForce 4/FX and Radeon 8500/9XXX series. With such cards, there is a noticeable performance improvement over 7B21 and previous versions of Mac OS X when using resource-intensive effects like the "Genie" window minimizing effect and the Faster User Switching "rotating cube" effect.
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post #268 of 1177
According to everyones favorite rumor site, macosrumors.com, this build is much faster.
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post #270 of 1177
This is turning out to be an awesome OS. Damn I wish they'd tell us a DATE already!
post #271 of 1177
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This is turning out to be an awesome OS. Damn I wish they'd tell us a DATE already!

Im guessing right about October 27th or so... judging by the amount of polish already present in developer builds I would not expect it much later then November 14th. All of this is just wild speculation on my part however. Sorry guys no dirt from me today.

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post #272 of 1177
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MOSR has already weighed in with "developer feedback". [Insert MOSR joke here.]

Have you noticed that the last few weeks of rumors have been pretty good? And he doesnt update as frequent as he used to.. Maybe he actually look at the rumors now, to see what can be true, and what cant....
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Im guessing right about October 27th or so... judging by the amount of polish already present in developer builds I would not expect it much later then November 14th. All of this is just wild speculation on my part however. Sorry guys no dirt from me today.

A@ron

ahhh Ill guess the 24th os some month... hmmm 24th September....
Its always the 24th of the month when apple do things....

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post #274 of 1177
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Actually it stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator.

Yup. And have I mentioned how much I hate these recursive acronyms? Especially the ridiculous mutually recursive Hurd/Hird one...
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post #275 of 1177
OK... I'll try asking this again.
Please, what does Brad or ANYONE know about AUDIO/MIDI issues!

I read once that one can use their DV device form the Audio Out pref... Correct? Any details?...

Also, is there a new Audio Midi Setup ap?...
(Usually found in the Utilities folder. )
There is big need for some BIG improvements to the speed and functionality in OSX for us audio pros...

Also any chance we can finally use mLam or Firewire to stream audio & midi channels from one computer to another already!!!
Thanks Brad and others for any info!
rRand
post #276 of 1177
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Originally posted by rrr
I read once that one can use their DV device form the Audio Out pref... Correct? Any details?...

Correct, it says
Output > Canon DV (my DV camera) > Port: Firewire

I can also route system alerts through different ports than the one selected in Output.

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Also, is there a new Audio Midi Setup ap?...

dont't know, but its v. 2.0 in Panther 7b21. Can't give you more details since i havn't got any MIDI-devices and frankly don't know what to look for.
post #277 of 1177
What MOSR and ThinkSecret both left out of their reports:

If developers who don't value their signatures keep pissing in the pool by leaking seeds, eventually the lifeguard's gonna kick us all out.

STOP THE GODDAMNED LEAKING.
post #278 of 1177
So what are developers, who have a legal copy of Panther permitted to do? Can they talk about Panther? What are the limitations that they have agreed to? What is a leak, where is the line exactly? For me, reading all this about the features and benefits of Panther here, has convinced me to buy Panther on day one. This is the best advertising Apple could get and its free.
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post #279 of 1177
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So what are developers, who have a legal copy of Panther permitted to do? Can they talk about Panther? What are the limitations that they have agreed to?

As I understand it all developers are under NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) and should not talk about anything at all... panther, what panther However, if I was a developer I'd feel pretty save to comment on some things thinksecret and mosr have leaked. But yet again, I would not give out any info just maybe a yes or no on some general issues.

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Originally posted by valmad
So what are developers, who have a legal copy of Panther permitted to do? Can they talk about Panther? What are the limitations that they have agreed to? What is a leak, where is the line exactly? For me, reading all this about the features and benefits of Panther here, has convinced me to buy Panther on day one. This is the best advertising Apple could get and its free.

Discussing features is a gray area. Screenshots are a darker gray. Actually providing Panther to people who don't have access to it is what Apple has taken a tough stance on.

The actual agreement can be read in its entirety at <http://developer.apple.com/membership/pdf/terms.pdf>.
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