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post #281 of 1177
When I read Apple's sneak preview I didn't think Panther was worth buying. At least when you're around the web a bit more, it goes in-depth a little and gives you a reason to buy it.

It's kinda like Toyota's saying..ask someone you know who drives one. Even though you're not driving it, I think you know what I mean.
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post #282 of 1177
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Originally posted by Moose
What MOSR and ThinkSecret both left out of their reports:

If developers who don't value their signatures keep pissing in the pool by leaking seeds, eventually the lifeguard's gonna kick us all out.

STOP THE GODDAMNED LEAKING.

Now THAT was punny!

As long as developers don't illegally give away copies of their seeds, I think everything else (screenshots, reviews, etc.) is even beneficial for Apple (in terms of marketing and feedback). If Apple was really so worried about leaked Panther screenshots, their NDAs would be a *tad* more stringent and their beta-testing developer pool a little smaller.

Following that principle... Brad, bring on dem screenshots!
post #283 of 1177
first, thanks for the screenshots.
well now I have a question.

If I have installed the Panther PREVIEW, will I be able to install the final version without formating my whole disk? because it didn't work with Jaguar... You couldn't install the final version on the preview.

dunno if anybody can answer this question because the final version isn't out yet.
post #284 of 1177
Even though someone at Apple might be mad about all of this, especially now that 1 out of 2 mac users owns a copy of Panther, it is still good advertising, and I''m sure the people who downloaded it will buy it. Who wants to just stay on a Developer Seed?
post #285 of 1177
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Originally posted by mizugorou
If I have installed the Panther PREVIEW, will I be able to install the final version without formating my whole disk? because it didn't work with Jaguar... You couldn't install the final version on the preview.

dunno if anybody can answer this question because the final version isn't out yet.

If you don't have the seednotes where Apple answers this question for you, and didn't read the bit where they say DO NOT INSTALL THIS ON YOUR PRIMARY MACHINE, IT COULD EAT YOUR CHILDREN, you have no business running Panther. Period.
post #286 of 1177
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Originally posted by ipenguin
Even though someone at Apple might be mad about all of this, especially now that 1 out of 2 mac users owns a copy of Panther, it is still good advertising, and I''m sure the people who downloaded it will buy it. Who wants to just stay on a Developer Seed?

While there have been no scientific studies of this, empirical evidence has led me to believe that there is significant overlap between the people who download pre-release operating system seeds and the people who download the final, shipping version of the product without paying for it.
post #287 of 1177
" especially now that 1 out of 2 mac users owns a copy of Panther"

I dont believe 1 out of 2 mac users OWNS a copy of Panther, as I don't think stealing something gives you ownership of it.
But whatever..
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post #288 of 1177
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Originally posted by Henriok
I can also route system alerts through different ports than the one selected in Output.

Cool! Does this mean I can get iTunes to output through my headphone jack and also through my USB port to my SoundSticks?

Thanks, Harry
post #289 of 1177
Thread Starter 
Moose:

You'd have to have some proof. It's been this way for 15 years, and the seeding still continues. Go away.

Quote:
Originally posted by Moose
What MOSR and ThinkSecret both left out of their reports:

If developers who don't value their signatures keep pissing in the pool by leaking seeds, eventually the lifeguard's gonna kick us all out.

STOP THE GODDAMNED LEAKING.
post #290 of 1177
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I submitted your paragraph to Apple as well about the IMAP. Hope you don't mind. We should all submit it.


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Originally posted by MacPulse
Thanks for the link. Using the popup menus I was able to select Panther 10.3 and Mail.

Here's what I wrote. Hope they read it:


-MacPulse
post #291 of 1177
Thank you very much Henriok...
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I read once that one can use their DV device form the Audio Out pref... Correct? Any details?...

Correct, it says
Output > Canon DV (my DV camera) > Port: Firewire

...dont't know, but its v. 2.0 in Panther 7b21. Can't give you more details since i havn't got any MIDI-devices and frankly don't know what to look for. [/B]

Well... the Audio Midi Setup ap is ver. 1.0.1 with my Jag...
So that looks good that it's a 2.0 jump.

THE question now is... does your DV device show up in this Audio Midi Setup ap also?
It would be in the pop up lists under 'Default Input' , 'Default Output', and 'Selected Audio Device' ...
That is if it even looks the same, ummm screenshot ?

Hmmm, now I also wonder IF one has Panther on a network (or connected via FireWire) with another mac (with Panther also) would one see the 'other' computer as a device too!
Now that would be veeerryy useful.
rRand
post #292 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by MacPulse
Funny he should blame the IMAP server.

Funny because all the other modern email clients (even not so modern ones) that support IMAP have this feature

Uh. Mail supports this too. Has since either Puma or Jag. I forget which. Look at the account settings. Advanced. IMAP path prefix.

Now, while Mail doesn't support subscriptions per se, this should be fine for 99% of users.
post #293 of 1177
(silence)


It's so quiet tonight... But I think I can hear Brad pressing Command-Shift-3 repeatedly...

Keep up the great work, Brad and all you screenshot-posting "developers"!
post #294 of 1177
The 7B28 build of Panther has administration issues. Basically, if you were an admin before, you're not after installing this build. It doesn't allow you to authenticate unless you're root. beh. Beta software: what'cha gonna do?
post #295 of 1177
Actually, everything is really fast (I can't believe how fast these builds are getting) from dragging Finder windows to web browsing. But, that authentication issue is a big drag.
post #296 of 1177
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Originally posted by alternatekev
not sure if anyone's mentioned this or not, but i have a REALLY annoying bug where the keboard stops responding.. kind of. command-tab works, and when i log out, i can log back in fine. what happens is, every now and then (more than i'm happy with) text fields, text views and keyboard commands just stop responding to keybaord input. again, except for command-tab. it's a brand new apple keyboard, so that's not the issue. logging out and back in solves the problem. anyone else have this?

yep. Happens in entering text fields. If you wait a few seconds it will appear sometimes.


Installing 7B28 tonight so we'll see if this is fixed.
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post #297 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by rrr
OK... I'll try asking this again.
Please, what does Brad or ANYONE know about AUDIO/MIDI issues!

I read once that one can use their DV device form the Audio Out pref... Correct? Any details?...

Also, is there a new Audio Midi Setup ap?...
(Usually found in the Utilities folder. )
There is big need for some BIG improvements to the speed and functionality in OSX for us audio pros...

Also any chance we can finally use mLam or Firewire to stream audio & midi channels from one computer to another already!!!
Thanks Brad and others for any info!
rRand

I have been running Panther build 7B21 for a while now. The audio and midi works excellent and fast with it. Much faster than in Jaguar. I have a Tascam US-428 midi recording device that interfaces with my Mac to make a pro recording studio. Yes the Audio Midi Setup is still there.
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post #298 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by Moose
While there have been no scientific studies of this, empirical evidence has led me to believe that there is significant overlap between the people who download pre-release operating system seeds and the people who download the final, shipping version of the product without paying for it.

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post #299 of 1177
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Originally posted by Barto
Boo-f***ing-hoo

post #300 of 1177
Pirating software i...is bayaaad, mmm-kay?

Can we get back OT now?
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post #301 of 1177
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Originally posted by Moogs
Can we get back OT now?

Doesn't OT usually stand for off topic.
post #302 of 1177
Yes but you know... it could stand for On Topic also.
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post #303 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by valmad
" especially now that 1 out of 2 mac users owns a copy of Panther"

I dont believe 1 out of 2 mac users OWNS a copy of Panther, as I don't think stealing something gives you ownership of it.
But whatever..

You know what I mean.

PS: I haven't stolen a copy and I'm not going to. I'm just pointing out that if the people like Panther the they're probably going to buy it, either that or they...whatever.

Brad, got any more pics of the big Cat?
post #304 of 1177
By the way, there's a work around for that authentication issue. You have to start up from the Panther CD and reset the password for root (resetting the password for yourself doesn't fix it) and then log in as root and make yourself an admin again.

This is less buggy and faster than build 21 but there are still some random issues. Not bad, though.
post #305 of 1177
Can anyone with Panther check if the carbon/cocoa colour palettes have Pantone colour libraries? This would make sense considering the large creative user base and pantone being the industry standard.

Thanks for all the info guys
post #306 of 1177
What about an HTML color picker built in?
post #307 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by deestar
Can anyone with Panther check if the carbon/cocoa colour palettes have Pantone colour libraries? This would make sense considering the large creative user base and pantone being the industry standard.

Pantone colour libraries are not included. Pantone should make their libraries compatible with Apple's colour picker though, if they haven't already. It is a plugin based architecture after all and it's probably quite trivial for them to support it.

Doesn't those lirbaries cost money anyway? I'm not prepared to pay a license fee to Pantone just so I would get their library included in Panther. If they are free though.. that'd be another matter completely.
post #308 of 1177
In what app would you need Pantone colours that has not included their own colour palettes, anyway? At least Adobe's apps do have the Pantone libraries afaik. Need it for TextEdit? ;-)
post #309 of 1177
They are non-free I think, but the fees can't be expensive, considering all the other programs which include them.
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post #310 of 1177
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Originally posted by Anonymous Karma
They are non-free I think, but the fees can't be expensive, considering all the other programs which include them.

Are you thinking of cheap applications like Photoshop and Quark XPress?
post #311 of 1177
If anybody is interested, Kasper Jade and Slash Lanehas posted a blurb about and a handful of screenshots from Panther build 7B28. Here it is.

I thought this line from the article was cute:

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Apple's newly threaded Mail application saw no new features as it inched forwards from 1.3 (v582) to 1.3 (v582).

post #312 of 1177
I am sure this has been answered but I do not want to read all eight pages...can you change the colors of the labels or are you stuck with their color choices?
post #313 of 1177
I think I saw a screenshot of the preferences. Yes, I believe you can.

At least now we'll actually be able to use black or gray or white and have it actually work.

I'm wondering if Unsanity will drop Labels X when this comes out or will they try and integrate it with the existing ability? And anyone know if the Panther Labels are backwards compatable with OS 9? And in turn with Labels X?
post #314 of 1177
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Originally posted by Jasoco
I think I saw a screenshot of the preferences. Yes, I believe you can.

With the caveat that I too have only seen the screenshots, I only noticed that you could rename the color labels, not change the colors themselves.

I could be wrong, of course...
post #315 of 1177
Hmm...

Not that it matters to me if you can't change the colors. I like the rainbow. But it'd be nice if we could.
post #316 of 1177
has anyone tested VPC on Panther? assuming that it runs, how is the performance?

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post #317 of 1177
Have there been any improvements to the Aqua Finder in Panther (ie. making it to acting like the brushed metal Finder or 10.2's Finder instead of just the classic Finder)?
post #318 of 1177
X11 and Panther!

How is X11 integrated ? Do you still have to open the X11 app and use the XTerm terminal, or will it be integrated so that you can run X11 programs from the standard Terminal ?

The way I see it, being Unix based, it should be possible to use the standard Darwin terminal to run any X11 app ?

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post #319 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by Gambit
The 7B28 build of Panther has administration issues. Basically, if you were an admin before, you're not after installing this build. It doesn't allow you to authenticate unless you're root. beh. Beta software: what'cha gonna do?

Hmm, how are you installing 7b28? I don't have any of the authentication problems that some people seem to be experiencing. Everything I authenticate works just fine here, where exactly are you seeing this problem?

I see several of these messages:
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[2003/08/08 09:57:38, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-41/samba/source/passdb/pdb_smbpasswd.c:startsmbfilepwent(182)
startsmbfilepwent_internal: unable to open file /private/var/db/samba/smbpasswd. Error was No such file or directory
[2003/08/08 09:57:38, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-41/samba/source/passdb/pdb_smbpasswd.c:smbpasswd_getsampwnam(1284)
Unable to open passdb database.

It does not affect anything actually, it's just weird because there are a LOT of them in log.smdb but everything works just fine.
post #320 of 1177
Quote:
Originally posted by Code Master
What about an HTML color picker built in?

Already in Jaguar's color picker. Also in Panther.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jared
can you change the colors of the labels or are you stuck with their color choices?

No. You can change the names but not the colors.

Sorry, guys. No time for more info from me. I'm going to be away for a few more days.
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