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Too bad. Tutti-fruity colors are for chicks...

good god...
post #362 of 1177
I'm still wondering about that new fat chick, Vicki. What's the reason for her weight gain?
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post #363 of 1177
Well *this* went off topic fast.

Guys? *ahem* Title?

Thenk yew.
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post #364 of 1177
Well, putting it back on track, does iCal in Panther have more than the six colors it has in Jaguar?
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post #365 of 1177
Vicki is on topic. She's the new voice that is mysteriously large in size, but isn't any better in quality according to Brad.
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post #366 of 1177
Let's hear a sound byte of that blimp! Get her to say "Where's the beef?"
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post #367 of 1177
But unfortunately she has nothing to do with an operating system...

Anyway..
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post #368 of 1177
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But unfortunately she has nothing to do with an operating system...

Anyway..

Of course she does. A voice synthesis library that has mysteriously increased in size is a sign of impending updates to the Speech Synthesis core of Panther, which is extremely pertinent to the OS.

What makes you say otherwise?
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post #369 of 1177
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Originally posted by jwill
Well, putting it back on track, does iCal in Panther have more than the six colors it has in Jaguar?

It would appear as though the answer is negative.

Nor does iCal now use 'real' checkboxes for its displays.

I recognise that a discussion about this may already be taking place/have taken place, but: as much as it might be impractical to use a single checkbox systemwide and to let the user customise the colours (due to multi-hue buttons), it might make sense for Apple to permit programmers who know what they're doing to set each hue manually, if need be. This could cut down on resources and would make iCal more responsive *and* more of a 'true' Cocoa program in terms of its interface (barring that it is already a Cocoa application).
post #370 of 1177
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as much as it might be impractical to use a single checkbox systemwide and to let the user customise the colours (due to multi-hue buttons), it might make sense for Apple to permit programmers who know what they're doing to set each hue manually, if need be.

I really don't see this as a problem at all. Panther's panes now automatically darken when they're nested, dynamically, by the simple expedient of an alpha channel. Given the display layer Apple has so meticulously crafted, nothing in the world prevents them from letting people put colors or plaids or photographs or freaking QuickTime movies behind controls. They just have to implement it, and set the default to white.

Oddly, pressure to do this might come from the Safari team. They're getting a lot of requests to allow the native widgets to be colored by CSS as they can be on other platforms - which is currently impossible, and Dave Hyatt has firmly resisted going back on using native widgets.
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post #371 of 1177
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Originally posted by andrewm
It would appear as though the answer is negative.

Nor does iCal now use 'real' checkboxes for its displays.

I recognise that a discussion about this may already be taking place/have taken place, but: as much as it might be impractical to use a single checkbox systemwide and to let the user customise the colours (due to multi-hue buttons), it might make sense for Apple to permit programmers who know what they're doing to set each hue manually, if need be. This could cut down on resources and would make iCal more responsive *and* more of a 'true' Cocoa program in terms of its interface (barring that it is already a Cocoa application).

Yeah, if you install third party themes you realize that a lot of applications don't use the real interface and are bloated with extra elements. The calculator has three buttons that aren't real buttons, iCal's checkboxes aren't real, iTunes uses a complete interface that's nestled in it's own resources and not the system one, Disk Copy's license agreement window has stripes from the original Aqua theme instead of using the native background..it goes on and on. The hue would sure be good though. I remember in Palm Desktop they let you use a custom color.

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Originally posted by Amorph
Oddly, pressure to do this might come from the Safari team. They're getting a lot of requests to allow the native widgets to be colored by CSS as they can be on other platforms - which is currently impossible, and Dave Hyatt has firmly resisted going back on using native widgets.

Oh yeah..Windows has that. Hey, maybe what would be cool is if the interface was based on a hue color already, and Safari would just have to apply the new one for CSS. That way, it shouldn't be impossible. But I'm not that CSS experienced, so I wouldn't know for sure.

i think that if they based all the blue elements on a hue, there'd be a lot less resources hanging around in OS X, and the system wouldn't be as big. And this should be possible. Windows did it. There should be some formula for getting every color of the aqua effect. All they'd have to do is use it every time they need to, for whatever control.
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post #372 of 1177
iChat seems to use some type of hue shift for the chat bubbles since you can choose any color from the color picker and it will work.

It seems like this would have been a good idea for the UI elements allowing for thousands of possibilities.
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post #373 of 1177
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iChat seems to use some type of hue shift for the chat bubbles since you can choose any color from the color picker and it will work.

It seems like this would have been a good idea for the UI elements allowing for thousands of possibilities.

(Bear in mind that I am still on 10.1.5, and my only experience with Jaguar was the few minutes I spent fiddling with a TiBook on display at a small Mac dealer.)

Whoa! It can do that? Well then why the hell hasn't it made its way into the system-wide appearance yet?! They have definitely got to expand on this
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post #374 of 1177
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(Bear in mind that I am still on 10.1.5, and my only experience with Jaguar was the few minutes I spent fiddling with a TiBook on display at a small Mac dealer.)

Whoa! It can do that? Well then why the hell hasn't it made its way into the system-wide appearance yet?! They have definitely got to expand on this...

The reason may be (I'm no expert here--I'm basically repeating what I saw elsewhere) that, whilst the iChat bubbles can be generated with a single colour, the window-titlebar bubbles, the checkboxes, and other controls are multi-hued, perhaps multiply-layered in Photoshop, or some such.
post #375 of 1177
Well, if possible, it could always generate the multi-hues from the one you choose. I think it would take some work but it would lighten the system a little.
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post #376 of 1177
the rounded label is actually a shape, this is the way it will adjust
to even very long text, and is stored inside Finder.rsrc

you can open up Finder.rsrc in Themepark and then with help
of Photoshop edit very easily to any color you prefer
Only way sofar to get other colors of labels

iCal can be done to but is a helluvalot of work
post #377 of 1177
It's a helluvalot of work changing the systemwide color. I changed it to red once and it took me over an hour. But usually I can live with blue. What they do need to allow us to change though is the iCal colors. People do have more than 6 reasons to put something on their calendar. I may not, but it would be good to pick the color.
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post #378 of 1177
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What makes you say otherwise?

I guess what confuses him is the fact that a *woman* is supposed to be part of an *operating* system.
post #379 of 1177
Has anyone played around with the encryption in Mail that is referenced in the Think Secret article today? How, in OSX/Mail do you create the Public/Private key pair for the encryption?

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post #380 of 1177
*laugh* No, actually, it was because there was an ad at the bottom of the screen when I read that referencing overweight dating.

Seriously.

Completely done forgot about the new voice and the size of it, and connected it with the ad. D'oh. Hee.

Carry on!
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post #381 of 1177
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I guess what confuses him is the fact that a *woman* is supposed to be part of an *operating* system.

Ooooh... Lucky for him Jerle doesn't frequent this board, or someone would have received the Crystal Sword (tm) treatment.
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post #382 of 1177
eww.

Do I want to know?
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post #383 of 1177
I have no idea. I'm lost, I'll see ya tomorrow
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post #384 of 1177
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Originally posted by Moogs
eww.

Do I want to know?

Don't think so

She might live next door to you, though :P
post #385 of 1177
Well there is a woman who lives in my townhome unit that until recently had a different man in her bed (with her 7 year old daughter down the hall) every two months at most. Sounds like something she might be able to perform, but I have to say she couldn't pay me enough.

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post #386 of 1177
Moogs, that's no way to talk about your mother.

*Now* you guys are wandering.
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post #387 of 1177
Bastard... and to think I just paid you a compliment in another thread.

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post #388 of 1177
Back on topic with this query: Has there been any scuttlebutt on whether Panther is now feature-frozen?
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I've not heard anything I can verify but I'd be surprised if they're not. And by feature frozen I mean major components will not be added. Adding or removing a menu command or button or whatever from any given app does not apply in this case IMO.

I think the next ADC build will be telling as to whether or not a September release is practical. Remember, from the day they go GM they still need 2-3 weeks to get the product into the channel. If they release a killer build Monday, that's less than 15 days from September, and killer or not they'd still have plenty of polish work to do to reach GM status from that branch. Populating the help files, fixing up the remaining icons, etc etc.

If it's a very stable, polished build, we might get lucky and see Panther on September 27 (the last Saturday of the month). Otherwise all bets are off.
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post #390 of 1177
7B39 has been posted to the dev site.

Once again, this release reflects extensive engineering efforts since the last seed (7B28), with issued addressed in almost every component of the OS. Here are some components that had the most extensive changes:

Address Book
Airport Admin
AppKit
ATS
Carbon Core
Core Audio
Core Graphics
Finder
Foundation
HIToolBox
JBoss
Kernel
Printing
QuickTime
QuickDraw
WebCore
WebKit
post #391 of 1177
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Originally posted by amitofu
7B39 has been posted to the dev site.

Once again, this release reflects extensive engineering efforts since the last seed (7B28), with issued addressed in almost every component of the OS. Here are some components that had the most extensive changes:

Address Book
Airport Admin
AppKit
ATS
Carbon Core
Core Audio
Core Graphics
Finder
Foundation
HIToolBox
JBoss
Kernel
Printing
QuickTime
QuickDraw
WebCore
WebKit

They're working weekends? They must be tired, because JBoss is a part of Server not Client

Edit: And antialiasing of bold fonts are terrible in this build.
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post #392 of 1177
A few Panther Finder questions:
1) Any sign of UMASK type funtionality in the Finder?

2) Regarding the interaction between the 'browser' and 'spatial' Finder modes: When using the 'browser' mode (in columns, for example), is it possible to configure the Finder so that double-clicking on on a folder will open that folder in a new spatial Finder mode (toolbar-less) window? Under Jag, setting "Always open folders in a new window" does not behave this way: new windows open with the toolbar (browser style), and clicking on folders in the toolbar opens them in a new window rather than in the same window.

TIA.
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post #393 of 1177
the things id love to see in this version of the finder is well, not have one thing work and one thing fixed, in 7b21 it was no labels, but zip from the finder, and in 7b28 it had labels working and zip archiving from the finder broken, so itd be nice to see both working at their best.
other then that i must say that apple is doing a dynamite job on panther so far, it boots far quicker then jag, has some things in the app launching department, but the new finder is faster and kick ass

jobs was right, "we have a kickass OS"
post #394 of 1177
Thanks Amitofu.
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I just discovered why I couldn't download the damn updates from ADC. The FTP site won't work with Safari! Here I thought that the site was just overloaded, but my partner told me to try IE this weekend and BAM I got the files. How funny... Oh and I got them just in time for the new build to be released.. sigh.
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post #396 of 1177
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I just discovered why I couldn't download the damn updates from ADC. The FTP site won't work with Safari! Here I thought that the site was just overloaded, but my partner told me to try IE this weekend and BAM I got the files. How funny... Oh and I got them just in time for the new build to be released.. sigh.

Look in the Finder. Safari mounts ftp servers in the Finder.

Better yet - use an ftp client.
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post #397 of 1177
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has ftp been fixed in b39? in 21 you mount it and if you wanted to copy files to it it asked you to authenticate, but it still wouldn't let you copy it.

Any ideas?
post #398 of 1177
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Originally posted by JLL
Look in the Finder. Safari mounts ftp servers in the Finder.

Better yet - use an ftp client.

That's just it, Safari would switch to the finder but never mount the server. Who knows...
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Originally posted by blue2kdave
I just discovered why I couldn't download the damn updates from ADC. The FTP site won't work with Safari!

It's flaky, but it does work - restart Safari and then tell Fetch to be the Internet Config helper, and then restart Fetch. I just got all 3 CDs this way. I got a couple of error boxes in Safari that the URL was bad, but that was cured by restarting Safari.
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Did anyone attempt an upgrade from b21 or 21 to 39?
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