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post #401 of 1177
8/18/03 at 9:42pm
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Okay I did the upgrade from b21. This build 39 is very very fast. Menus are a huge improvement from other builds, and that's saying something because they were extremely snappy in the last 2 builds!
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post #402 of 1177
8/18/03 at 9:52pm
Anything new worth screen-shooting or mostly speed / stability fixes? Changes to labels for example? Finder?

[Edit] Just caught the screenshots on AI's front page. Looks like wireless keyboards and mice be in our future for sure at this point -- either from Apple or other parties. Cool.
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post #403 of 1177
8/18/03 at 10:29pm
Sorry if I've missed this in prior discussions: Does Panther's finder have a method of sorting the display in column view by name/date/etc as in list view? This drives me nuts in 10.2. I prefer column view but I'm alsway switching to list view to sort things. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to have a menu above each column that lets you change the sort preference.
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post #404 of 1177
8/18/03 at 11:32pm
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No there is no way to do this in column view. I kinda see what your saying, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea. *thinking...

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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Sorry if I've missed this in prior discussions: Does Panther's finder have a method of sorting the display in column view by name/date/etc as in list view? This drives me nuts in 10.2. I prefer column view but I'm alsway switching to list view to sort things. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to have a menu above each column that lets you change the sort preference.
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post #405 of 1177
8/18/03 at 11:47pm
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Originally posted by inkhead
No there is no way to do this in column view. I kinda see what your saying, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea. *thinking...

Why not? Column view is like a heirarchy of list views. Why can't there be a little thingy at the top of the column that offers the choice of columns found under list view. Offcourse, only one column at a time otherwise its a complet mess.
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post #406 of 1177
8/19/03 at 12:19am
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I think the complexity comes from this:

Would each column have a different view? How would the finder remember this? Or would choosing sort by "date modified" sort every column after that this way? Would it do this in realtime? Only the visible ones? I mean all the columns are there just not showing.

It could be done, but I'm guessing they don't because it has the potential to be complex and confusing..

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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Why not? Column view is like a heirarchy of list views. Why can't there be a little thingy at the top of the column that offers the choice of columns found under list view. Offcourse, only one column at a time otherwise its a complet mess.

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post #407 of 1177
8/19/03 at 12:21am
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post #408 of 1177
8/19/03 at 12:33am
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post #409 of 1177
8/19/03 at 2:17am
Thanks Inkhead for posting the picture of Calculator
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post #410 of 1177
8/19/03 at 5:17am
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Originally posted by inkhead
I think the complexity comes from this:

Would each column have a different view? How would the finder remember this? Or would choosing sort by "date modified" sort every column after that this way? Would it do this in realtime? Only the visible ones? I mean all the columns are there just not showing.

It could be done, but I'm guessing they don't because it has the potential to be complex and confusing..

I agree it's a hard problem to solve, but it's solvable if it's considered important enough. Path Finder does it, and it works, but in a fairly clumsy way.

I think each column should be sortable, and the Finder should have some visible indicator showing the status of that column, and allowing it to be changed. It would set in View Options, or by contextual menu. The Finder would remember settings per column in DS_Store just as it remembers other window information.

There's a whole thread that discusses how it could work here.

But it looks like this won't be coming for Panther, and we'll have to wait a whole 'nother year for it.
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post #411 of 1177
8/19/03 at 7:13am
Just a question...do minimized windows appear in expose?
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post #412 of 1177
8/19/03 at 9:53am
Inkhead, is that... your girlfriend or just some teen porn honey you found at your favorite smut site? Or is it you, maybe? Because you know, she would make for an excellent Desktop Wallpaper subject. Apple has clearly missed the boat and needs to explore such options more closely.

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post #413 of 1177
8/19/03 at 9:56am
On a more serious note, I wonder if the on-the-fly File Vault functionality slows down file ops like opening and saving?
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post #414 of 1177
8/19/03 at 10:55am
Quote:
Originally posted by inkhead
I think the complexity comes from this:

Would each column have a different view? How would the finder remember this? Or would choosing sort by "date modified" sort every column after that this way? Would it do this in realtime? Only the visible ones? I mean all the columns are there just not showing.

It could be done, but I'm guessing they don't because it has the potential to be complex and confusing..


I really don't see it as being so complex. Column view is simply showing what you see in list view when you have the sort order set by name. In other words, your seeing the first column from list view.

All I want is an easy method to choose to sort the column by the other options available in list view. Default as is now, but give me a menu at the top of the column to sort the contents by another means. I suppose a control key menu would work as well.

I don't know enough about programming to know how hard it would be for the finder to remember that the last time a particular folder was opened that it was sorted by creation date for example. I could live with a default sort based on the name.

In my mind, I don't see wy each column could not be sorted individually when being viewed in the finder. Generally the way my files are kept results in a pyramid. The left side of column view has view drives>folders>sub folders etc. Its usually at the right end were I reach a folder with all my projects that it gets to be a large number of items. That's were having the most recently saved item being a the top would be greatly appreciated.
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post #415 of 1177
8/19/03 at 11:03am
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Originally posted by Hobbes

I think each column should be sortable, and the Finder should have some visible indicator showing the status of that column, and allowing it to be changed. It would set in View Options, or by contextual menu. The Finder would remember settings per column in DS_Store just as it remembers other window information.

There's a whole thread that discusses how it could work here

Thanks for the link!

But I agree that what I saw there was much too complicated. It has too be easier than switching to list view, which is what I do now to get my choice of sort options.

A contextual menu seems like the obvious choice. While were at it, we need one of those trianagles at the top of each column to switch the list between ascending and descending mode.
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post #416 of 1177
8/19/03 at 1:04pm
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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
A contextual menu seems like the obvious choice. While were at it, we need one of those trianagles at the top of each column to switch the list between ascending and descending mode.

Now the ascending and descending part sounds very possible and like a good idea.
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post #417 of 1177
8/19/03 at 1:04pm
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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
But I agree that what I saw there was much too complicated. It has too be easier than switching to list view, which is what I do now to get my choice of sort options.

That's what we all do (I imagine).

Yes, the Applescript solutions in that thread are not helpful.
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post #418 of 1177
8/19/03 at 1:08pm
I think column view was solely meant as a simple list view that showed the path of the folder or file that you've currently selected. It would be hard to get it to sort to other options and make it like a list view, IMO. It wouldn't look right either..unless it would be set in View Options...

...which actually sounds like a good idea...but I dunno, just saying what I think.
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post #419 of 1177
8/19/03 at 1:45pm
column view is a pure NeXT heritage
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post #420 of 1177
8/19/03 at 1:51pm
Is it possible for that to be explained further? I'm willing to learn something today
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post #421 of 1177
8/19/03 at 3:00pm
Not sure what NeXT heritage has to be with the ability to sort in column view (er, or this thread's topic) but here's a good overview.

Or check out this screenshot. Look familiar?
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post #422 of 1177
8/19/03 at 3:33pm
Sure does.
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post #423 of 1177
8/19/03 at 5:42pm
Off-topic: another NeXT resource is McCarthy's Intro to NeXTstep
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post #424 of 1177
8/19/03 at 7:44pm
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
Off-topic: another NeXT resource is McCarthy's Intro to NeXTstep

Holy crap! Notice on the screenshots of those pages that a lot of the whiz bang stuff Apple has implemented lately (like Font Book, new open and save panel) are directly from NeXTStep/OpenStep. They just have a treasure trove of good stuff waiting to be ported over.

Maybe we'll get "Pencil Me In," NeXT's groupware solution as the next cool app to come for the mac.
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post #425 of 1177
8/19/03 at 7:56pm
Scary to think that many of these 'whiz-bang' features were available in 1993!
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post #426 of 1177
8/20/03 at 1:15am
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Originally posted by Hobbes
Not sure what NeXT heritage has to be with the ability to sort in column view (er, or this thread's topic)

Hobbes, I commented on jwill
( I think column view was solely meant as a simple list view that showed the path of the folder or file)

just to point out that it wasnt just 'ment as' but that it was the
preferred viewstyle of NeXT, mac OS X predecesssor
and it seemed jwill wasn't aware of the NeXT connection...

so pretty on topic in an off topic sort of way
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post #427 of 1177
8/20/03 at 11:22am
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Scary to think that many of these 'whiz-bang' features were available in 1993!

This is why some of us were laughing bitterly back when everyone was talking about "internet time" and the "frantic pace of innovation" in the late '90s.



When Steve came to Apple, he said that Apple was sitting on enough technology to last them 5 years. Apparently, it was enough technology to last them longer than that, because they're still rolling in stuff from NeXT and Newton and the various scraps of ideas from previous attempts at next-gen OS' (I hear that there's a bit of NuKernel in OS X...).

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post #428 of 1177
8/20/03 at 4:20pm
So why is it that the new calculator is bigger than the old one, but with fewer features? I assume that advanced mode and paper tape are available from the menu options, but frankly I liked the buttons on the old one just fine. Why did they need to crappify the new one? I don't see that metal buttons are a particularly important new feature.

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post #429 of 1177
8/20/03 at 4:55pm
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the calculator didn't lose any features. the bigger buttons are soo nice if you get a chance to play with the calculator I think you will be suprised what a difference it makes. Especially with the visual feedback of hitting the keys.
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post #430 of 1177
8/20/03 at 5:17pm
that lady is very purdy

Does that panther beta haver a newer version of samba inside, or is it the same one from jaguar?

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post #431 of 1177
8/20/03 at 6:09pm
Samba 3.0
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post #432 of 1177
8/20/03 at 8:25pm
Anyone else notice that Panther is missing the settings to set your default email client and web browser? I just noticed it with this latest build but for all I know it coulda been like this since the first seeded build. (just happen to notice it today)...

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post #433 of 1177
8/20/03 at 10:54pm
Been that way since WWDC, Dave.
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post #434 of 1177
8/21/03 at 3:20am
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WHOIS command system wide gives this error, even if I specify a server:

whois: geektools.com: No address associated with nodename


Any genuises out there no a fix?
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post #435 of 1177
8/21/03 at 5:09am
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Originally posted by Brad
Been that way since WWDC, Dave.

Thought so...

The reason I ask is I stumbled on a strange 'bug?' in the latest build of 10.3 Address book... Has anyone else had it prompt you with a dialog box asking you where 'Outlook Express' is?

Yea Outlook Express!

Strange thing is this popped up on a machine that I did a FORMAT install on and it didn't even have OS 9 on it let alone Outlook Express...

Something is really strange with that one...

Dave

P.S. That dialog is what prompted me to look for the 'default mail' setting only to find it was gone.
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post #436 of 1177
8/21/03 at 8:22am
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Originally posted by DaveGee
Thought so...

The reason I ask is I stumbled on a strange 'bug?' in the latest build of 10.3 Address book... Has anyone else had it prompt you with a dialog box asking you where 'Outlook Express' is?

Yea Outlook Express!

Strange thing is this popped up on a machine that I did a FORMAT install on and it didn't even have OS 9 on it let alone Outlook Express...

Something is really strange with that one...

Dave

P.S. That dialog is what prompted me to look for the 'default mail' setting only to find it was gone.

I receive the same error. I chose Mail as the Outlook Express application, but it did not help. I also noticed that Apple still has not re-allowed transparency in Address Book icons.
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post #437 of 1177
8/21/03 at 9:42am
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Originally posted by inkhead
WHOIS command system wide gives this error, even if I specify a server:

whois: geektools.com: No address associated with nodename


Any genuises out there no a fix?

I don't know tons about the command line, but don't you need an http://www. prefix for it to work?
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post #438 of 1177
8/21/03 at 10:34am
no - whois looks at the domain name, not host names.
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post #439 of 1177
8/21/03 at 4:31pm
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Originally posted by DaveGee
Anyone else notice that Panther is missing the settings to set your default email client and web browser? I just noticed it with this latest build but for all I know it coulda been like this since the first seeded build. (just happen to notice it today)...

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They have moved the default settings into the Mail/Safari preferences. Seems kinda weird to have to go into Safari to change your default browser to Mozilla ;-)
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post #440 of 1177
8/21/03 at 4:43pm
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Originally posted by ryanthered
They have moved the default settings into the Mail/Safari preferences. Seems kinda weird to have to go into Safari to change your default browser to Mozilla ;-)

Yeah, that sounds like a misfeature.

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