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[quote]Originally posted by wmf:
<strong>Who said anything about a daughtercard? I see a lot of posts assuming that there will be one, but it's not guaranteed; Apple could just put everything on the motherboard.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple currently uses a daughtercard for its processors+L3 cache. Given the 970+companion chip architecture and their high speed connection it does make some sense to use a high quality daughtercard to hold those components, and then share the motherboard between machines with different processors and processor configurations. It also allows the motherboard to be built to a lower standard to save costs.
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post #42 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>Just wondering what impact these announcements on any timelines Motorola and/or IBM have on implementing this technology into processors like the MPC7457-RM and the IBM 75X

If I read this correctly, we may have quite a wait to see any Rapid I/O in any desktop processors. Any one with more knowledge have a better insight??
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Neither IBM nor Moto have these chips on their roadmaps before 2004. I can't get to the URLs you posted but the titles look like they are talking about the serial physical layer, whereas an Apple machine and these desktop processors would almost certainly use the parallel physical layer for performance reasons.
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[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>I can't get to the URLs you posted.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They can both be found @
<a href="http://www.rapidio.org/home" target="_blank">http://www.rapidio.org/home</a>


[quote]"In a significant standardization
milestone for high-performance interconnect architectures, ECMA International today
announced its new interconnect standard ECMA-342, which includes both parallel and serial
versions of the RapidIO interconnect architecture developed by the members of the RapidIO
Trade Association. This marks the first acceptance by an international standards organization of
the next-generation of open interconnect standards designed to ensure reliability and systemlevel
compatibility in high-performance networking, communications and embedded systems."<hr></blockquote>

Programmer, thanks for the response.
Like I said I'm not sure what this means.

Yes the MPC 7457-RM on the leaked roadmap is projected for 2004, I guess I should have been more general in my statement. It wasn't that long ago the MPC8540 was supposed to be sampling in the second half of 2002. Even though the MPC8540 isn't designed for desktops, at the beginning of 2002 some people in another forum(who shall remain nameless) felt Motorola's desktop version would appear before the MPC8540.

Any way I thought these press releases were interesting.

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[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
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Programmer, thanks for the response.
Like I said I'm not sure what this means.

Yes the MPC 7457-RM on the leaked roadmap is projected for 2004, I guess I should have been more general in my statement. It wasn't that long ago the MPC8540 was supposed to be sampling in the second half of 2002. Even though the MPC8540 isn't designed for desktops, at the beginning of 2002 some people in another forum(who shall remain nameless) felt Motorola's desktop version would appear before the MPC8540.

Any way I thought these press releases were interesting.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, they are. Its good to see RIO making progress to becoming reality.

I don't think we're going to see a desktop 8xxx series processor from Motorola. In 2004 we may see a RapidIO G4 which would be a significant improvement, especially if it reaches 1.8-2.0 GHz as rumoured. If they take it to 0.09 microns that would be a spectacular chip for notebooks and other places where low power / low heat is needed. RIO will allow fast NUMA architectures so we could see things like 4 or 8 way Xserves where each G4 is at least 2-4 times faster than a current 1 GHz G4, possibly more. Imagine a rack full of those things -- it would be quite the server farm. The 970 will still be the crown jewel, but that doesn't make it ideal for all uses.
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This may have already been posted, but I just ran across it.
<a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/bios/0,1071,281,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/bios/0,1071,281,00.html</a>

[quote]GREGG BARTLETT
Deputy Operations Manager, Crolles2 Project
Technology & Manufacturing
Semiconductor Products Sector, Motorola, Inc.


Gregg Bartlett was named Deputy Operations Manager for the Crolles2 Project in May 2002. Crolles2 is the name of Motorolas partnership with STMicroelectronics and Philips for breakthrough technology development and 300mm pilot manufacturing. Gregg has responsibility for all aspects of the Crolles project for Motorola as well as a functional role within the Crolles joint organizational structure.

Prior to this, Gregg was the director of the Advanced Products Research & Development Laboratory (APRDL) in Austin, Texas. APRDL is part of DigitalDNA Laboratories (DDL), the research and development organization of SPS.

From 1996 to 2002, he held leadership roles in technology and manufacturing partnership environments. First, he worked with Infineon for the White Oak joint venture in Richmond, and most recently with AMD for the HiPERMOS technology development agreement in Austin. Gregg has more than 18-years experience at Motorola with the last three-years in technology development roles in DDL. His focus has been process technology including the CDR1 SiGe:C process running in MOS-11, and HiP-7 currently in production in MOS-13. His experience spans technology development, fab design and construction as well as start-up and ramp.

Gregg attended Kansas State University where he received his B.S. degree in Chemical Engineering in 1983.


December 2002<hr></blockquote>


*bold is mine
what product is Motorola using HiP7 on? I wasn't aware of any.

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post #46 of 215
According to <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/brdata/PDFDB/docs/SG1001.pdf" target="_blank">this PDF</a> witch outlines the availibility of 32-bit microprocessors from Motorola Q1-03, the only processors manufactured on HiP7 is the communications processors PowerQUICC II 8270/75/80 witch are expected to be sampled Q2-03.

No sightings of MPC 7457 just yet, but they are expected to be using HiP7 as well.
post #47 of 215
Oh well.. i did find some more evidence of 7457.. "The one who searches shall find" - old Swedish proverb

I hope these documents haven't been posted elsewere yet.

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/brdata/PDFDB/docs/ALTIVECFACT.pdf" target="_blank">This PDF</a> witch is a facts sheet of AltiVec. It mentions MPC7457 as a member of the MPC74xx-family witch includes AltiVec.
The PDF is dated Dec 5 2002 and is modified Jan 9 2003.
No new information is included, it just confirms its existence.

<a href="http://www.mdronline.com/events/dinner/" target="_blank">This URL</a> witch is an invitation to Microprocessor Report 4th Annual Analysts' Choice Awards. The nominee in the category High Performance Embedded Processor 2002 is among others:

Motorola MPC7457

Quite a feat to be nominated for an award in a year in witch it didn't make any appearance..
post #48 of 215
Not to change the subject but what is going to happen with Altivec and Motorola? I can't see them not making processors anymore without Altivec.

If I were to speculate, I would guess that they are re-designing the G5 and when it comes out, will be the G6.
post #49 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by sc_markt:
<strong>Not to change the subject but what is going to happen with Altivec and Motorola? I can't see them not making processors anymore without Altivec.

If I were to speculate, I would guess that they are re-designing the G5 and when it comes out, will be the G6.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would guess that they aren't designing a new high-end core because it doesn't fit with their business plans. They'll leverage the existing G4 core by adding some of their system-on-a-chip functionality to it (RIO & memory controller), and by ramping its clock rate and shrinking the process its made on. Beyond that I wouldn't count on much...
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[quote]Henriok
Quite a feat to be nominated for an award in a year in witch it didn't make any appearance.<hr></blockquote>
I enjoyed that quote. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

It is interesting that the nominations are "recognizing excellence in technology innovation, design, and implementation."

This would imply that there are working samples of the MPC7457 out there(re: implementation). Question, if the MPC7457 is only a MPC7455 manufactured on a 0.13µm process, where does "innovation" and "design" enter into the evaluation?

Maybe more knowledgeable people than myself can surmise a guess as to the possibility there have been any significant design modifications to the MPC7455 included into the MPC7457. Bear in mind the MPC7457 is nominated in the "High-Performance
Embedded Processors" category.

Extended pipelines? Additional FP unit? Increased FSB capabilities? - naww can't be, this is Motorola and Motorola = embedded.


But then again hope springs enternal.
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post #51 of 215
Well, it appears the latest upgrades don't include the MPC7457.
If you go to tech spec's on Apple's website it lists the L2 cache for all 3 processors @ " 256K on-chip L2 cache running at processor speed".

If I were a betting man, this latest upgrade means the MPC7457 to arrive midsummer, with the IBM 970(re: if it ever makes it to a Mac) to arrive very very late in 2003 or 2004.
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post #52 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>Well, it appears the latest upgrades don't include the MPC7457.
If you go to tech spec's on Apple's website it lists the L2 cache for all 3 processors @ " 256K on-chip L2 cache running at processor speed".

If I were a betting man, this latest upgrade means the MPC7457 to arrive midsummer, with the IBM 970(re: if it ever makes it to a Mac) to arrive very very late in 2003 or 2004. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple doesn't have to use the 7457 in the PowerMacs when it comes out. They still need a lower power chip for portables and iMacs.
post #53 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>
Apple doesn't have to use the 7457 in the PowerMacs when it comes out. They still need a lower power chip for portables and iMacs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No they don't. Let's see, Apple introduces a 1.6GHz MPC7457 w/ a 200MHz FSB in the iMac and Powerbooks - Professional users descend on Cupertino and burn it to the ground.

Or Apple introduces underclocked MPC7457's @ 1.0 - 1.2GHz w/ a 167MHz FSB in the iMac and Powerbooks and Professional users descend on Cupertino and burn it to the ground.

I think I need therapy. Now where's that Prozac.
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post #54 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>No they don't. Let's see, Apple introduces a 1.6GHz MPC7457 w/ a 200MHz FSB in the iMac and Powerbooks - Professional users descend on Cupertino and burn it to the ground.

Or Apple introduces underclocked MPC7457's @ 1.0 - 1.2GHz w/ a 167MHz FSB in the iMac and Powerbooks and Professional users descend on Cupertino and burn it to the ground.

I think I need therapy. Now where's that Prozac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And if Apple introduces 1.8 GHz 970-based PowerMacs at the same time as the 7457 appears in the low end? Wow, then everybody is happy.

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post #55 of 215
The bad part (to me) is delivery for the 1.42 GHz is 4-6 weeks. What has SLAPple been doing all this time. More interested in secrecy than selling machines. Guess I'll wait to see if the boxes reach Hurricane Force-5 or not.
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post #56 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>Well, it appears the latest upgrades don't include the MPC7457. </strong><hr></blockquote>

No, it doesn't, but that's not all bad news: Did anyone here think the 7455 would get anywhere near 1.4GHz? I was surprised when they got it to 1.25GHz.

This, to me, is an indication that Mot's starting to beat their fabrication problems, and that's good news.

Think about it: The 7455 took us from 667MHz to 1.42GHz. Not shabby at all. How far will the '57 take us, even if the 970 ends up pushing it into the consumer line?
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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>Think about it: The 7455 took us from 667MHz to 1.42GHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>The 7455 Apollo started with the 1Ghz machines. The 667-733 were 7450s, without SOI.
post #58 of 215
I'm confused. I was told new G4 was coming but it didn't. Like noted above, I hope it'snot further delayed meaning the new G4 would debut in the fall in place of the 970. Apple could however just leave the new G4 for the consumer models. That would give those models a few bumps which would allow IBM to get it's new G3/Altivec going or to make a smaller 970 version. I'm stuck trying to figure that out.

I'm also still shocked fom the display prices, those beat even the most naively positive guesses.
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post #59 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>And if Apple introduces 1.8 GHz 970-based PowerMacs at the same time as the 7457 appears in the low end? Wow, then everybody is happy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes this is true, but your using logic, I wasn't, I was trying to be humorous.

But, a lot of people were expecting the MPC7457 to be the next upgrade. Soooo, I should have added that the iMac/Powerbooks were to be updated, like say, next week with the MPC757, leaving the Powermacs to fend with the MPC7455's until the IBM 970 appears very very late 2003 or 2004.

Amorph makes very important point concerning the MPC7455 scaling(terminology?) to 1.42GHz. Pretty amazing when you think about it(re: 7 stages and all). Let's see, 0.13µm process adds 30% to the clock speed. That's 1.3 X 1.42GHz = 1.85GHz.

So, next week Apple introduces the new iMacs @ 1.85GHz w/ a 200MHz FSB and Powerbooks @ 1.2GHz w/ a 167MHz FSB. Then, profesional users descend on Cupertino and burn it to the ground.

My feeble attempt @ logic was, [quote]"Well, it appears the latest upgrades don't include the MPC7457...

... this latest upgrade means the MPC7457 to arrive midsummer, with the IBM 970(re: if it ever makes it to a Mac) to arrive very very late in 2003 or 2004."<hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>The 7455 Apollo started with the 1Ghz machines. The 667-733 were 7450s, without SOI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

OK, so 867 to 1.42GHz. Still, not bad.
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>The 7455 Apollo started with the 1Ghz machines. The 667-733 were 7450s, without SOI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

according this link: <a href="http://www.apple-history.com/g4_quicksilver.html" target="_blank">http://www.apple-history.com/g4_quicksilver.html</a> you're right about the processors apple used but according to motorola the 7455 starts @ 600Mhz and tops out @ 1Ghz so this means the 7455 is more scalable than motorola says.
now, i'm currious about the processors in the imac/emac/powerbook, are these also 7455's or just 7450's?
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[quote]Originally posted by gar:
<strong>

according this link: <a href="http://www.apple-history.com/g4_quicksilver.html" target="_blank">http://www.apple-history.com/g4_quicksilver.html</a> you're right about the processors apple used but according to motorola the 7455 starts @ 600Mhz and tops out @ 1Ghz so this means the 7455 is more scalable than motorola says.
now, i'm currious about the processors in the imac/emac/powerbook, are these also 7455's or just 7450's?</strong><hr></blockquote>


look at the level 3 cache for the models, it should answer the questions.
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[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
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look at the level 3 cache for the models, it should answer the questions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

okay, 7445/7455 then?
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[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>look at the level 3 cache for the models, it should answer the questions.</strong><hr></blockquote>level 2
post #65 of 215
Hehe... now, is the bet going to be which is going to be first, Motorola shipping HiP 7 processors or Motorola selling their semiconductor business?

During Motorola's 2001 Q1 conference call, the higher ups said HiP 7 was qualified and about ready to run. If they don't ship the 8540/8560/7457 by Summer, that'll be a whole 2 years in which Moto did nothing with its 130 nm fab. It's amazing that they are still alive. If IBM bought into AltiVec 2 years ago, they would have killed Moto's embedded business by now.

Btw, I think Apple only uses the 7450/7451/7455 in its computers. They have never used the cacheless versions of the chips. Shipped 7450/7451/7455 machines w/o cache, yes, but never the 7440/7441/7445 chips. The ones going into Powerbooks are probably low watt variants of the 7450/7451/7455. And 667 MHz to 1.42 GHz is pretty good. Silicon-on-Insulator saved Apple, and Moto, from ludicrous embarrassment, as opposed to just embarrassing.
post #66 of 215
7457. Destined for fall iMacs and Powerbooks.

That would be more like it. More aggressive. More in keeping with what we're seeing so far this year.

'G5'/970 for 'POWER'Macs. This fall. By then, the range is going to need it. I'm a former Powermac user who is waiting for the 'power' to be redefined in much the same way that the G4 promised to do at its launch.

It's kinda obvious. An iMac range with 1 - 1.4 gig G4 come fall will look okay.

That is, if Apple wants 2003 to be the great leveller it looks like.

Great new software.
Mind blowing Monitors and amazing price cuts.
Price crash on 'power'Macs.
Deep iMac2 cuts pending.
Amazing redefined laptop range from end to end...trouncing many a Wintel laptop along the way?

It's still only January.

2003 lookin' finger lickin' good.

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post #67 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by THT:
<strong>Hehe... now, is the bet going to be which is going to be first, Motorola shipping HiP 7 processors or Motorola selling their semiconductor business?

During Motorola's 2001 Q1 conference call, the higher ups said HiP 7 was qualified and about ready to run. If they don't ship the 8540/8560/7457 by Summer, that'll be a whole 2 years in which Moto did nothing with its 130 nm fab. It's amazing that they are still alive. If IBM bought into AltiVec 2 years ago, they would have killed Moto's embedded business by now.

Btw, I think Apple only uses the 7450/7451/7455 in its computers. They have never used the cacheless versions of the chips. Shipped 7450/7451/7455 machines w/o cache, yes, but never the 7440/7441/7445 chips. The ones going into Powerbooks are probably low watt variants of the 7450/7451/7455. And 667 MHz to 1.42 GHz is pretty good. Silicon-on-Insulator saved Apple, and Moto, from ludicrous embarrassment, as opposed to just embarrassing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> 7440/7441/7445 are not cacheless, they have l2 cache, so rickag is right about his comment and i have still no answer
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[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
<strong>7457. Destined for fall iMacs and Powerbooks.

That would be more like it. More aggressive. More in keeping with what we're seeing so far this year.

'G5'/970 for 'POWER'Macs. This fall. By then, the range is going to need it. I'm a former Powermac user who is waiting for the 'power' to be redefined in much the same way that the G4 promised to do at its launch.
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It's still only January.

2003 lookin' finger lickin' good.

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mr jobs likes to have options. so another possibility is 7457 this fall for the powermac ranging from 1.4Ghz-1.8ghz, if ibm got problems ramping up ppc970 production. still a linger fickin' good year.
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L3 cache comes and goes in different amounts according to the whims of Apple. That's why you can't look at that and conclusively tell what chip it is.

The L2 cache for the Apollo 7455 is 256K at processor speed and its on the chip, so probably won't change from machine to machine like the L3. The PowerMacs, PowerBooks, iMacs, and eMacs all have the same L2 cache, even apparently these new ones. The 7457 will reportedly have 512K of L2 cache, so it doesn't look like this is the 7457.

It's kinda sad that the G3 in the iBook is more advanced in several ways than the G4 in the PowerMacs. It already has the 200Mhz bus capability, the 512K L2 cache, and the .13 fab process. Too bad they're still selling them at 700 Mhz.
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I defer to THT. He is much more knowledgable than I.

I just ass+u+me(d) the versions on Motorola's website that did not list L3 cache were the cpu's Apple used in those computers that did not have L 3 cache. It did not occur to me that Motorola would produce the MPC7450, MPC7451 and MPC7455 processors sans L3 cache. After all the spec's for the MPC7400, MPC7441 and MPC7445 looked identical other than L3 cache

Sorry I couldn't help.

The MPC7441, MPC7445, MPC7451 and MPC7455 all have 64K L1 cache and 256K L2 internal cache. Only the MPC7451 and MPC7455 list L3 cache up to 2MB external(backside cache).
Hence my confusion.

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<strong>Originally posted by rickag:
I did not occur to me that Motorola would produce the MPC7450, MPC7451 and MPC7455 processors sans L 3 cache.</strong>

That's the only way Motorola produces them!

The L3 cache is backside cache. "Backside" cache meaning that there is an exclusive, direct bus from CPU to off-chip SRAM cache (as opposed to in the old days when it was on the much slower FSB). The chips themselves ship in a ball grid array package, 25x25 mm in size. Essentially, the 106 sq mm 7455 CPU is set in the middle of a 625 sq mm plate of ceramic. Wires are threaded from the CPU to solder ball points.

I do not know for sure, but Apple probably has to take the chips and solder those ball points onto the CPU module printed circuit board. The backside cache is then soldered on as well. The CPU module is attached to the motherboard through the "Sawtooth" socket they've been using for a long time. I highly doubt Motorola comes into play except for tech support.

It's a lot easier on the Intel side since they use pin grid array packaging with standard sockets. Even when they used slots, Intel/AMD produced the CPU/backside cache modules themselves, so vendors only had to plug them into standard slots.

The problem with the 7440/7441/7445 is that they come in a different package than the 7450/51/55. There's really no use in buying a different chip with different packaging when Motorola produces low voltage (lower watt) variants of the 7450/51/55.

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THT takes rickag to school again. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Thanks for the information. Now if I could just remember, Motorola used a different criteria for measuring die size so the 0.18µm process was actually a 0.15µm process so the new method means the 0.10µm process is actually a 0.13µm process except in the case of the frazipan, then all bets are off.

I believe I'm exhibiting the early signs of Alzheimer's. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Don't get me wrong, I like the flat panel iMac, actually own an iMac, and I like the Mac mini, but...........
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post #73 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
<strong>THT takes rickag to school again. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Thanks for the information. Now if I could just remember, Motorola used a different criteria for measuring die size so the 0.18µm process was actually a 0.15µm process so the new method means the 0.10µm process is actually a 0.13µm process except in the case of the frazipan, then all bets are off.

I believe I'm exhibiting the early signs of Alzheimer's. :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>


...early signs :cool:
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post #74 of 215
Way back when Don Carlos (another board) said:

12/10/02
1.4 GHz Mac coming early next year
Motorola is reading a new PowerPC proc.
Also a new generation of processors coming next year, breaking 2 GHz.
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again on 12/10:
Let's just say I got some info from their vendor.

1.4 is coming in January and next gen (G5) might be ready for Q3 (more likely in Q4).
They always try to meet the MacWorld dates (Jan, Aug) to introduce new products.
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1/28/03:
See, I told you so.

Now, the 2 GHz will come later this year (IBM) and end of 2003 or early 2004 (MOT).
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1/28/03
I don't know if Apple has decided to use IBM proc for their high-end systems.
Seem like IBM is ahead of MOT 3-6 months in the G5 generation, but MOT will catch up quickly. They will have their 2Ghz+ procs in production in about 9-12 months.
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Ok, so he's not exactly clear but he did say 1.4 towers in Janurary which was right on.

Interesting.
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post #75 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>...early signs :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thweeeeeeeett!!! referee throws flag. Unsportmanslike penalty assessed to Bigc for unnecessary piling on.

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post #76 of 215
There seems to be an assumption that the 7457 will arrive at a higher clock rate than the 7455. This isn't necessarily true -- it may take time to refine the 7457 production to get the speeds up to the quoted +30%. In the short term this is perfect for the iMac/PowerBook line, low power and still slower than the PowerMacs. When the PowerMac goes to the 970 in Q3/Q4 the 7457 will probably be up to speed and reaching beyond the 1.42 GHz mark.
Providing grist for the rumour mill since 2001.
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post #77 of 215
Originally, I thought that today's release was old tech and my info of a new G4 was incorrect. However, it seems the new pMacs have a smaller heatsink, new fan and new tech based on the Xserve.

[quote] "Cutting-edge Xserve-based system architecture gives the Power Mac G4 a tremendous performance boost.

The new Power Mac G4 systems leverage the highly acclaimed Apple Xserve architecture to deliver the ultimate in computing power. Designed with a clear objective in mind \\ dramatically increased throughput \\ these new desktop workstations combine one or two PowerPC G4 processors, Double Data Rate (DDR) main memory, dedicated L3 cache and integrated I/O to create an extremely responsive system."

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So these may be what I was told about, not the same old G4 clocked up to 1.4ghz (so it's techincally a new design), which I think holds well for the 970 in the fall.
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post #78 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Originally, I thought that today's release was old tech and my info of a new G4 was incorrect. However, it seems the new pMacs have a smaller heatsink, new fan and new tech based on the Xserve.

So these may be what I was told about, not the same old G4 clocked up to 1.4ghz (so it's techincally a new design), which I think holds well for the 970 in the fall.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Weren't the first MD PowerMac's based off Xserve technology? I thought they were.

Motorola's desktop processor division is dying a slow, painful death, and the death knoll should speed up the 970 release. I would be very surprised if Apple had ANY product with a Motorola chip inside come 2004. They just need to go away. They change their collective minds more often than a fat chick in a Pizza Hut (sorry, in advance if that offends anyone <img src="embarrassed.gif" border="0"> )

[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: Rhumgod ]</p>
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post #79 of 215
which Piza Hut :cool:
I heard that geeks are a dime a dozen, I just want to find out who's been passin' out the dimes
----- Fred Blassie 1964
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----- Fred Blassie 1964
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post #80 of 215
[quote]Originally posted by Rhumgod:
<strong>Weren't the first MD PowerMac's based off Xserve technology?</strong><hr></blockquote>Yes they were. The Xserve technology Apple's talking about is the ad hoc DDR-solution I think.. and perhaps the blue mobos
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