Originally posted by Giaguara
trumptman i don't see how you read bunge's or shawn's posts. if it's better generally for kids to have 2 parents than 1, it does not mean automatically "we do this (beat you, have this horrible, unfunctional facade marriage) only for YOU (their kids)".
most of the time the impression between the line many of you give is that you just want the women to be home cooking and taking care of kids. and the other times they should be single, home and cooking .. whereas the men should be leagally allowed to fsck whoever they want, sign out their potential responsabilities on anything resulting from the action. fsck freely and be single, childless peter pan. drink and conserve you liver. and eat junk and make macdonalds pay. grow up.
I'm going to do my best with Gia, and I assure you that your written English is much better than my Portugese.
I have stated many times that I believe two parent families best. I have also stated that I do not care which parent stays home. I am not the type of person who has joined the "rat race" to see who can kill themselves working the hardest first. The fact that more women choose this idea than men is I believe, enlightened, and not a bad choice. Americans as a whole work too hard and should learn to care about more than just money.
However the way the family courts treat men is not enlightened. They say, hey you only are valuable for making money and do so whether you want to or not. In the U.S. if a man misses his support payments, he can have his credit destroyed, his drivers license taken, and be thrown in jail. When the consequences of failure are so severe, there should at least be a choice about taking that responsibility.
If the choice is only you screw, you lose, then women should lose some rights with regard to abandonment and adoption. There are laws that have been passed where they basically attempt to embarass the women into naming the father but they are usually (wisely) overturned since it is really not in the best interest of anyone to do this.
As for fvcking whoever they want... why should we seek to criminalize sex? I find the paradox created by feminism very amusing. It says women should be able to me like men. Fvck whoever they want and get an abortion, repeatedly, underage without consent or even notification, and suffer no consequences. Also we see that the government shouldn't make laws telling homosexuals that they cannot sodomize each other.
At the same time we have laws saying men should be indentured for 18 years for 15 minutes of fun. Men and possibly women should be fired or sued for telling a dirty joke or giving someone a compliment, etc.
People in the U.S. complain about the war on drugs and the number of people it has put in prison. These same folks should not be endorsing basically a war on sex that criminalizes people and attempts to put them in jail for things sexual that are within norms.
I hope this makes my position on these issues clearer to you.
Now get back in the kitchen and take off those shoes.