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post #122 of 345
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
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The 2.8 GHz P4 posts just under 1000 SPECfp, and it will be &gt; 3 GHz by the time the 970 arrives. That seems "on par" to me. It will kick the snot out of the G4 though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Re-capp needed (sorry):

It may be on-par SPEC wise, but what about cost and power dissappation?

There's more than one way to kick ass.
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[quote]Originally posted by OverToasty:
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Re-capp needed (sorry):

It may be on-par SPEC wise, but what about cost and power dissappation?

There's more than one way to kick ass.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No argument there, but those items aren't a big deal until we see how Apple takes advantage of them.
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[quote]Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself:
<strong>Nobody has anything to say about my dream? That's weird...</strong><hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by Vox Barbara:
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What the hell does that mean. Rumors are rumors. And the bottom line is simply fun, isn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
'Offcial rumors' are those we all read on Macrumors, Looprumors, Think secret and so on.
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post #126 of 345
Or Apple sales reps.

I went into our Apple 'centre' in Notts.

I was lusting at the iMac 2. (As one does...)

He asked if he could help me...

I said I wasn't buying the gorgeous iMac2 until it had a decent processor in it. Say, a G5.

He then went onto say that I 'did know about the PPC difference.'

'Yeah...'

And he said...

'A 1 gig G4 equals a Pentium 3 gig processor...because it can get three times as much done in the same time...'

I was tired and didn't want to get into a preposterous argument.

It's b*ll*cks, but I'm glad to see the guys in Apple retail being a bit more aggressive! They were eating people alive as they got into the store. Hmmmm. Well, they're going to need people who can spout 'bullsh*t' if they think they can get to 10% with 1 gig G4s and overpriced specs.

He also said that the G5 probably won't arrive...and 'IF it did, it proabably won't be called a 'G5'...and '...that you'll probably had a year wait for it.'

(Yep, that's the last bit...right there....that's relevant to this thread. That's what Apple foot patrol think...)

Myself? I think a 1 gig G4 equals a 1.8 gig Pentium 4 if the wind is blowing its way.

I also think I won't rule out the possibility of a Motorola G5 this July and a 970 at a Macworld San Fran 2004 time frame.

But, a 'G5' in March next year? I hope not. I'm still on a 970 'fall' timeframe. It just feels right. But let's not rule out Apple's ability to 'surprise'TM us.

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post #127 of 345
It sounds like he was trying to sell you the machine now. He was agressive, wasn't he?
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[quote]... The consent decree merely prevents them from disseminating FUD -- announcing products that won't be ready for some time just to prevent sales going to the competition.
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And we've all seen (from Microsoft's example) how scrupulous companies are about adhering to the terms of consent decrees.
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post #129 of 345
I dont think that Moto will be the supplier of the next chip. IBM is a more dependable solution, a company focused on making servers and kicking Kasparov's butt. Moto, on the other hand, makes integrated solutions that go into VCRs and DVD players. And everybody knows that no one brags about the speed of the chip in their set-top DVD player. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by costique
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<strong>I can tell you EXACTLY when the pMac 970 will be released...

One month after I buy a G4 tower!</strong><hr></blockquote>

So do it now!


Okay...I can't wait any longer for the 970 machines!

Dual 1.4GHz G4 ordered yesterday!

970 Macs will be announced in a month
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post #131 of 345
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Okay...I can't wait any longer for the 970 machines!

Dual 1.4GHz G4 ordered yesterday!

970 Macs will be announced in a month


So why ordered the G4?
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post #132 of 345
Leonis!

The date depends on him ordering now!

If he doesn't order now, they'll be delayed! Nooooo!

PowerBook 970s in May.
PowerMac 970s in June.

Hey, it's just as likely as the "one month" thing.

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post #133 of 345
You guys forget. Apple can't release PPC970 based systems until they have OS that can run on it. Panther won't be ready until September.
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post #134 of 345
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I also think I won't rule out the possibility of a Motorola G5 this July and a 970 at a Macworld San Fran 2004 time frame.

Ah, conservative estimates; I like it, gives Apple a good margin for error.

As for the MOT G5, you appear to be waiting for Godot.
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post #135 of 345
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You guys forget. Apple can't release PPC970 based systems until they have OS that can run on it. Panther won't be ready until September.

why wait for panther, maybe it is possible to implement the crusial 64 bits and ppc970 only parts in 10.2 right away. i think that apples ppc970 prototypes actually run a tweaked 10.2. and not an early version of panther. so roll out the hardware with a working 10.2.6v64 os when ready and upgrade to 10.3 later.
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You guys forget. Apple can't release PPC970 based systems until they have OS that can run on it. Panther won't be ready until September.

I agree with gar. It wouldn't take much to tweak the kernel to be 64bit aware enough that the OS could provide a 32 bit user space for apps via the chip's built in 32 bit compatibility mode.

That could be why the code name for Mac OS X 10.2.5 is "plaid". They may have had to come up with a code name in the "color" series for an unexpected revision prior to panther. (Maybe.)

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I agree with gar. It wouldn't take much to tweak the kernel to be 64bit aware enough that the OS could provide a 32 bit user space for apps via the chip's built in 32 bit compatibility mode.

That could be why the code name for Mac OS X 10.2.5 is "plaid". They may have had to come up with a code name in the "color" series for an unexpected revision prior to panther. (Maybe.)


But then again, 10.2.5 should have taken a bit more time then...

Maybe 10.2.6 will be rolled out, with 64 bit support as the only feature..
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post #138 of 345
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I agree with gar.

That could be why the code name for Mac OS X 10.2.5 is "plaid". They may have had to come up with a code name in the "color"(Maybe.)


Hmmmmm ....

Good call Gar & T.O.T.U.

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post #139 of 345
Well if you look what happened at the begining of the year nearly every modl in the lineup was updated, to keep sales oging for as long as possible. I believe that we will see the 970 and panther launched simultanously and in a big bang kind of way. There is almopst no chance that Apple could put 970's in Powermacs and continue to sell PowerBooks to anyone and visa-versa.

No I think that they will colect enough 970's to enable an accross the range launch at the professional end and that means. PowerMacs, PowerBooks and Xserve/Raid.

If Panther is really going to be Spetember (and the timing could be a red-herring) then that is when I expect the launch of 970 based machines.
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post #140 of 345
There are countless possible scenarios, but given the available information I still believe the following. And I have not wavered on this since ~August last year.
[list=1][*]Apple released Jaguar last August and the WWDC preview hints at Panther being released in roughly the same timeframe (Aug-Sept).[*]IBM's original 970 announcement said 2nd half 2003 (i.e. July or later) for full production and rumours are that they schedule is going well. Accounting for the time to get the chips from the IBM fab into the Apple factory and through the distribution network, shipping machines in the Aug-Sept time frame seems reasonable.[*]Supporting a new processor which has major differences (new scheduler in the compiler, 128-byte cache lines, new supervisor mode details, new virtual memory hardware, etc) requires at least a minor OS revision.[*]The 970 isn't going to be the only new feature of these machines -- they are likely to have AGP 8x and possibly other goodies not yet seen. This will also require OS support.[*]The more OS revisions you create, the more you have to support. If you are going to release a major OS update within a month anyhow, why put out an "extra" minor one to support new hardware that you could easily delay shipment of by up to a month (if at all).[*]We don't know if Panther will include 64-bit support. My position on this is that the OS internals are probably already 64-bit ready so why not include it at that level? The GUI libraries may not be ready for 64-bit, but that's not nearly as important as being ready to support 64-bit server applications.[*]Steve Jobs likes to make a big splash. If he has the option to do a double barreled introduction with a new super-fast OS running on a new super-fast Mac, then he probably will. These new toys may be in a demo-able state in June and WWDC has been delayed exactly so that SJ can do his thing... even if they don't actually ship until September. They'll probably start taking large numbers of pre-orders.[*]The aluminum PowerBooks were just introduced, and there is 15" unit waiting to join them as soon as the existing stock is gone. Having moved to an all new lineup I think it is very unlikely that Apple will immediately move to a completely new high-powered processor with its high powered companion chip, from a new fab at the start of its production run. These parts are going to start out relatively expensive and it is most likely that Apple's PowerMac (plus whatever IBM's plans are) will consume all of the available supply. A super-fast PowerMac will not canabilize PowerBook sales in an appreciable fashion, and so what if they do? The PowerMac has a high margin as well and people that want a portable simply aren't going to buy a desktop machine. This fall the 7457 will likely arrive and push the clock rates and battery life of the PowerBooks up beyond what can be achieved with the 970 on the 0.13 process. Once the PowerBook goes 970 it can't go back, so Apple won't take it that way until there is a clear advantage.[/list=1]

In general if you are confronted by a situation where multiple indicators seem to indicate a particular answer then that is the most likely answer. Why fight it? Until we get different information I don't see any particular reason to change my mind. A month either way isn't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.
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post #141 of 345
Wrote Programmer, the wise:
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1. Apple released Jaguar last August and the WWDC preview hints at Panther being released in roughly the same timeframe (Aug-Sept).

You're building the premise that Panther and the 970 are inextricably or conveniently linked. I agree that Panther appears to be a late summer, early fall release, but I don't think the 970 MUST be tied to Panther. Just my opinion.
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2. IBM's original 970 announcement said 2nd half 2003 (i.e. July or later) for full production and rumours are that they schedule is going well. Accounting for the time to get the chips from the IBM fab into the Apple factory and through the distribution network, shipping machines in the Aug-Sept time frame seems reasonable.

Rumors (which are worth what is paid for them: zilch) are that the 970 is well ahead of schedule, that the IBM Fab is working out very well, and that 970s are in production.
Getting the motherboards will take longer than getting the processors, given the "info" we've heard. Rumor is the IBM is "in production" of the 970, yet the Motherboard contracts have just been awarded (Asia). getting the relatively light, small processors from NY to a California plant is a two-day FedEx ride, once ready. The assembly stages can all be worked out with the preview 970s or duds that have the same physical characteristics. Getting the motherboards made and shipped to California might take slightly longer. Educated guesses are that the processors will take about a month to fab - I have no idea, but I'll use that timeframe. The motherboards will likely take slightly longer since that contract was just awarded a couple of weeks ago. Assume 7 weeks from now, just to pick a number from the ether. That means assembly begins around the first of June. We've heard nothing about a new portable motherboard.
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3. Supporting a new processor which has major differences (new scheduler in the compiler, 128-byte cache lines, new supervisor mode details, new virtual memory hardware, etc) requires at least a minor OS revision.

The very point of OS X is portability. The overlying OS is ignorant of the hardware to a great degree. The kernel handles that. I don't think the changes would be so widespread that they would have motivation to wait for Panther.
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4. The 970 isn't going to be the only new feature of these machines -- they are likely to have AGP 8x and possibly other goodies not yet seen. This will also require OS support.

This is stuff they could have implemented in-house months ago and have as part of the new motherboards.
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5. The more OS revisions you create, the more you have to support. If you are going to release a major OS update within a month anyhow, why put out an "extra" minor one to support new hardware that you could easily delay shipment of by up to a month (if at all).
6. We don't know if Panther will include 64-bit support. My position on this is that the OS internals are probably already 64-bit ready so why not include it at that level? The GUI libraries may not be ready for 64-bit, but that's not nearly as important as being ready to support 64-bit server applications.
7. Steve Jobs likes to make a big splash. If he has the option to do a double barreled introduction with a new super-fast OS running on a new super-fast Mac, then he probably will. These new toys may be in a demo-able state in June and WWDC has been delayed exactly so that SJ can do his thing... even if they don't actually ship until September. They'll probably start taking large numbers of pre-orders.

Apple cannot afford to delay shipping one day. The PowerMac sales are awful and Apple would lose millions and millions and millions of dollars if they withheld the release of faster computers at this point.
They wanted sales so badly that they intro'd the 17" PowerBook nearly 3 months before it shipped. I don't think they would wait for Panther if they didn't HAVE to.
If they can put out a 10.2.5 or .6 update that enables support for the 970, they will drastically increase PowerMac sales the day they start taking orders. If they hold off until Panther, they lose potential sales - sales they cannot afford to lose, I think.
Of course Panther may show off the 970 better than 10.2.x, but that's another selling point to get folks to upgrade to Panther, not a reason to delay ready products.
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8. The aluminum PowerBooks were just introduced, and there is 15" unit waiting to join them as soon as the existing stock is gone. Having moved to an all new lineup I think it is very unlikely that Apple will immediately move to a completely new high-powered processor with its high powered companion chip, from a new fab at the start of its production run. These parts are going to start out relatively expensive and it is most likely that Apple's PowerMac (plus whatever IBM's plans are) will consume all of the available supply. A super-fast PowerMac will not canabilize PowerBook sales in an appreciable fashion, and so what if they do? The PowerMac has a high margin as well and people that want a portable simply aren't going to buy a desktop machine. This fall the 7457 will likely arrive and push the clock rates and battery life of the PowerBooks up beyond what can be achieved with the 970 on the 0.13 process. Once the PowerBook goes 970 it can't go back, so Apple won't take it that way until there is a clear advantage.

The 7457 is a bird in the bush. The 970 MAY be one in the hand. I too doubt that the 970 will go portable first, but it would be a helluva surprise.

Basically, I see the financial motivations being paramount here. Apple has GOT to boost high-end sales to sustain profitability, and a few hundred thousand June/July/August PowerMac sales will do wonders for Apple's third and fourth financial quarters. If that means that Panther is a paid upgrade for some of those buyers, well, Apple's done that before, right?
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post #142 of 345
I think JCCBin has made some valid points here.

Apple needs the money and if a 'Jag' fix' can get the 970 out the door with half a year worth of orders on the balance sheet then Apple has a better looking quarter.

Panther will improve performance and keep Apple in the limelight.

Paid upgrade on top of 970s? Sounds too tempting.

Lemon Bon Bon

PS. I'd love to see the 970 intro'd in the laptop first! Riot! Especially if the 'Power'Macs are imminent. If the 970 is way ahead of schedule, why not re-tool the 15 inch intro' to storm the gates of laptop marketshare? A 970 ahead of schedule changes everything.

IBM have paid billions of dollars for leading edge fab facilities. The recent move by Nvidia to have production contracted there indicates the pressure IBM is under to get that dough back. Why wait for half a year to leisurely get those 970s out the door with a Jan 2004 update if you can do it now?
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You're building the premise that Panther and the 970 are inextricably or conveniently linked. I agree that Panther appears to be a late summer, early fall release, but I don't think the 970 MUST be tied to Panther. Just my opinion.

I don't think they must be tied together either. I think they will be tied together because the timing is "close enough".

I disagree with your assertion that Apple cannot delay shipping the 970 even a single day. For a mid-summer or early-fall release this just isn't that case... if they announce early they start collecting pre-orders, if they wait silently then they sell more of the existing PowerMac inventory. The incremental sales of waiting another month on top of the time people have been waiting for new super-Macs is not significant. They are going to be able to sell every 970-based Mac they can build, so it doesn't really matter whether they start in July, August or September. If the OS delivery pushes them back then they have a month's production of hardware ready to go on introduction (wouldn't that be nice for a change?). If anything the biggest factor on timing is probably which fiscal quarter the introduction and initial sales fall into. I think we'll see it all at WWDC and we'll get ship dates at that point.

The "good news" and success IBM has from its fabbing of the 970 probably won't shift Apple's production schedule, aside from not pushing it back like bad news would have. There are plenty of other things that have to be coordinated well in advance and bringing a production run online earlier than planned can easily be problematic or even impossible. The news out of IBM primarily means (a) its not bad news and (b) yields will be better than plan, speeds will be higher than estimates, and prices will be lower than predicted. Dates are harder to shift.


LemonBB... didn't Apple give Jaguar to Mac buyers who had purchased less than a ~month prior to its introduction for free?
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IBM have paid billions of dollars for leading edge fab facilities. The recent move by Nvidia to have production contracted there indicates the pressure IBM is under to get that dough back. Why wait for half a year to leisurely get those 970s out the door with a Jan 2004 update if you can do it now?

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying here -- you mean you think they can migrate directly to the 0.09 micron 970? The fab can be fully utilized with 0.13 micron parts, shifting the design to 0.09 takes time, and the 0.09 process has yet to be proven on anything -- much less on a new processor design. I don't even think there is any evidence that Jan2004 was the plan for the 0.09 version so if I was to be wildly optimistic about IBM's success I'd say that they'll pull the 0.09 delivering in from summer 2004 to early 2004.

Or are you saying that you thought the 0.13 version wouldn't show up until Jan2004 but now you're more optimistic?
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simply, IBM have invested money. Makes sense they want a return on it.

This would chime in with the 'buzz' that 970s are ahead of schedule.

ie the sooner they get stuff out, the sooner they make money on that Fab at New York.

Many thought July to even September optimistic for the .13 970. Now, would anybody be surprised if they hit circa July or earlier..?

No guarantees yet of what Apple will do. But I'm more hopeful now that a .13 will arrive much sooner than Jan' 2004...which some pessimists were touting half a year ago.

.09 970 by Jan' 2004? Seems likely given the current 'vibe' on the grapevine.

So, Programmer, are you going to buy the .13 or wait for the .09 970?



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But they won't be able to sell every 970 they build to the people who have already bought Wintel PCs for video work, Programmer.

Sure they'll sell all they build, but every video shop that goes PC is one that won't go Mac for a couple of years.

PowerMac sales are HALF what they were in 2000. Apple sold 1,436,000 PowerMacs in 2000.
They sold 766,000 in 2002.
The revenue from PowerMacs is half what it was in 2000, as well.
Sales of iBooks, iMacs and PowerBooks are up from 2001, though the iMac and PowerBook sales are below 2000 sales levels.

Every day they wait, is a day that several people/companies buy something else.
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PowerMac sales are HALF what they were in 2000. Apple sold 1,436,000 PowerMacs in 2000.
They sold 766,000 in 2002.
The revenue from PowerMacs is half what it was in 2000, as well.
Sales of iBooks, iMacs and PowerBooks are up from 2001, though the iMac and PowerBook sales are below 2000 sales levels.

where do you get these numbers from?
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Apple's fiscal year Securities and Exchange Commission Form 10-K, page 22 (net sales, by dollars and by units)

I think you can download a copy from:

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...t=800&layout=8
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But they won't be able to sell every 970 they build to the people who have already bought Wintel PCs for video work, Programmer.

It doesn't matter. Really.

Apple currently has something like 3% of the PC market. This means 97% of the PC market is potential new growth for their sales. If typical machine life is 2 years (just to pull a number out of a hat) then a 1 month delay is ~4%... so now they only have 93% of the PC market to "switch" in the next two years before that 4% is ready to replace their hardware again. For every buyer who decided to buy in the month that Apple waits there is a buyer who is ready in the month after introduction. Apple has enough cash-in-hand to wait the month and "get it right".

Apple will be able to sell every single 970 they build, there is just too much pent-up demand for it. There is no point in rushing the machine out just to try and attract the buyers who are going to buy in any particular month (the Xmas rush being an exception in the consumer market, but they'll probably make the Xmas buying season with no problem; another exception is the academic procurement cycle, but they probably can't make that this year... although next year is another story).
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So, Programmer, are you going to buy the .13 or wait for the .09 970?

I bought a dual 1 GHz last August so I'll probably wait. I might even wait for the 980. The great thing about computers is that the longer you wait the bigger the improvement. If they ship full 64-bit support in Panther, however, I might be sorely tempted...
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post #152 of 345
Since his Steveness declared 2003 as "The Year of the PowerBook" I wouldn't expect the 970 anytime this year. Each new processor has debuted in the desktop line, then adapted to the PowerBook line. I think we'll see the 970 first in XServe, then shortly thereafter in PowerMacs, and eventually (depending on power consumption) in the PowerBooks. iBooks will probably migrate to the G4 and stay with it for 2 years or so.

I was hoping we'd see at least the announcement of 970-based Macs at the WWDC but I really can't see this as a realistic possibility. With Intel chips moving toward 3.5 or 4 GHz by next year this new 970 had damn well better debut at 2.5 GHz.
post #153 of 345
The part about Steve-o saying this is the "Year of the Powerbook" means absolutely nothing to me. If you were Apple, and your PPC970 development went quicker than schedule, would you or would you not release the 970 ASAP? I mean, it is possible that it was not supposed to go on sale until christmas-ish in 2003/early 2004, thus being the year of the PowerMac, but if its 6 months ahead of schedule (or for that matter ON TIME) I do not think that him saying that will even make them think twice about releasing the most powerful prosumer system out on the market.
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post #154 of 345
When was the last time Apple was on time with anything, never mind early? With Apple's track record with time tables, this will probably turn out to be the "Year and 3/4 of the Laptop".
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When was the last time Apple was on time with anything, never mind early? With Apple's track record with time tables, this will probably turn out to be the "Year and 3/4 of the Laptop".

Apple has been traditionally depending on other hardware manufacturers (Motorola, IBM, NVidia, ATI etc.). Partially it is a sad result of marketing impotence, small market share and big pride lurking behind them. I don't think that Apple engineers have ever been really slow doing anything; it's more likely they didn't have enough freedom/resources.
Now is something like the moment of truth: it's now or never. If IBM is doing well, Steve will kill his employees with his own bare hands for not keeping up with the schedule.
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post #156 of 345
Regarding "year of the laptop"
What else could he say. Year of the tower? Year of the iPod?
The laptop is the product line that is least dependent of a new CPU. Now with 900 Mhz iBooks on their merry way, the PB seem at least to be due for a speed bump.

The Intel AMD crowd is not standing still (as opposed to Motorola) so 1.8 GHz 970 that are so impressive today will be so so next year. So the notion that Apple will wait to implement 970 until next year is a rather odd idea IMNSHO.

If IBM can produce the 970 in large numbers in 2H 2003, Apple will sell them in large numbers in 2H 2003 8)
post #157 of 345
Also unlike desktop sales laptop sales are growing quite substantially. It is generally a pretty bad idea to proclaim you're targetting a product that has been showing minimal growth or decline for pretty much every manufacturer.
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post #158 of 345
I have one question? Did the rumors of moto's G5 generate some much
buzz as IBM's 970, in terms of it being used by Apple. I remember reading
of test boxes, but with the 970 not even that. What the hell is going on?>
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post #159 of 345
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I have one question? Did the rumors of moto's G5 generate some much
buzz as IBM's 970, in terms of it being used by Apple. I remember reading
of test boxes, but with the 970 not even that. What the hell is going on?>

Good Call ... BUT!:

Moto never announced their G5 chip - IBM's 970 has been announced.

Moto was never interested in putting their thing in blades - IBM has every intention of doing so and has said so.

This time, the mothership [ IBM ] is heavily involved and isn't keeping the chip secret at all, the only secret part here is Apple. So we KNOW the chip exists AND that somebody - IBM - definitely intends to release it (unlike the Moto G5), what we don't know absolutely is if Apple will actually use it ... yes, there is the weakness ... yes we might still be wrong ... but at this point, considering Apple's position, the rumors from Apple's suppliers, it's extremely unlikely Apple ever said "no" to the 970.

In fact, it's looking like they said 'yes' a while ago.

Whew!


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post #160 of 345
Has anyone heard that IBM is now taking preorders for configurations of eservers w/ IBM's 970?? This was posted on MacNNForums.

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As of 4-7-03, 9:00 EDT, you may pre-order specific configurations of eServer computers with PPC970 processors (via salesman only). Following IBM history, you will have web pre-ordering in 4 months and shipping 2-3 months after that. Two of my regular customers have machines on order, with confirmation numbers.

From this information, I surmise that PPC970 production is running ahead of schedule.

If IBM can have a shipping box in 6-7 months, and they work with Apple in the sampling/ramp-up phases of production, there is no reason Apple could not have a produsction unit in the same time or shortly thereafter.

I still lean towards a January release from Apple, if they go with the PPC970 (which is not yet a confirmed rumor).

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Confirmed - pre-orders are available today.

Unconfirmed: Time schedule is based on history, may change. Apple has not declred they will be using PPC970 chips. Apple/IBM co-ordination level is unknown.

Analysis: More unconfirmed than confirmed, though some unconfirmed are reasonable estimates. Probability: 62% using standard Epps weighting. Ad-hoc adjustment from market analysis: +5-8%, as other options do not appear to exist. End Probability: 67-70%.

YMMV seems the only appropriate ending to this post.
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