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post #241 of 282
8/30/03 at 7:26am
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Originally posted by trumptman
Shawn you are funny. You keep calling people "dishonest" for giving their opinion in matters or for matters in which there is an honest disagreement. Likewise when you can't prove someone wrong, you just resort to shouting liar, liar.

No- just you actually.
And no- just your posts actually.

liar.

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Originally posted by trumptman

Yet now, (and you do this pretty consistantly) I am "dishonest" because I don't take Ann Coulter seriously all the time. Whatever dude. I hope you get that nearsightedness checked because you are having a little trouble seeing past the end of your nose.

Well, I don't really care.

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What I suspect is more painful for you to do, is admit that a trademark case isn't about free speech. Even if Fox had won all the publisher would have done is taken off the words "Fair and Balanced" and still published the book. The comments that it is "censorship" and a "free speech issue are nonsense.



^This is censorship.

Fox couldn't have won because satire is basically protected- hence the case is a free speech issue (as well as a trademark issue). In fact, it's many issues--
post #242 of 282
9/2/03 at 7:38am
I think anyone who says Al Franken isn't funny... is a liar.

He was funny last night on Letterman. His story about calling a reporter... that said "Democrats had sissified politics" ... and asking if he wanted to fight was hysterical.

I"m almost done with the book... it's great... eyeopening too. Very partisan of course... and it should be.
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post #243 of 282
9/2/03 at 7:53am
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wow. this thread JUST WON'T DIE.

p.s. just to stay somewhat on topic, i saw a bit of the bookshow catfight between franken and o-reilly rebroadcast on c-span while i was flipping through the channels. whoo, i bet NO ONE thought they'd be seeing that by attending a bookshow.

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post #244 of 282
9/2/03 at 8:05am
I think it's funny how O'Reilly yells that he's been speaking for 35 minutes when it had been about 21.

I'm sure it SEEMED like he was talking for that long ... when someone is calling you out on your innacurracies it's hard to not to want to yell SHUT UP! Just call him BULLY O'Reilly.
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post #245 of 282
9/2/03 at 8:39am
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Originally posted by chu_bakka
I think it's funny how O'Reilly yells that he's been speaking for 35 minutes when it had been about 21.

Then later on he upped his estimate to 45 minutes. O'Reilly sure lost his composure. I still would have liked to see someone call him on his later denials of ever having said that it was a Peabody (two nonetheless). I can forgive a mistake, even a white lie, but when people lie about their mistakes it pisses me off.

P.S. Let's see if any of the conservatives take the bait and come storming back into the thread to talk about Clinton's "lies." They love to bash Clinton.
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post #246 of 282
9/2/03 at 8:59am
Or that Al Gore is a big liar. What exactly did Al Gore lie about?

Here's a lie... "By far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom end of the spectrum"... know who said that... anyone?
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post #247 of 282
9/2/03 at 12:52pm
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Originally posted by chu_bakka
Or that Al Gore is a big liar. What exactly did Al Gore lie about?

Here's a lie... "By far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom end of the spectrum"... know who said that... anyone?

You've been reading the book?

I've also picked up a copy. He does a really good job demonstrating how Coulter just completely pulls the content of her book out of her ass, completely fabricating a whole range of 'facts.'
post #248 of 282
9/2/03 at 1:59pm
Yup. Read it all weekend. I'm up to "The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus."

It's really starts to wear on you when you realize how many half-truths and lies have made it into the mainstreeam consciousness as fact. And how often something is taken out of context and just spun into something that no longer has any reflection of reality.

The mainstream media isn't liberal... it's just lazy.
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post #249 of 282
9/2/03 at 5:30pm
One of you can sell me the book used and I'll read it. I can't bare the thought of directly giving Franken my money.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #250 of 282
9/2/03 at 8:14pm
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Originally posted by trumptman
One of you can sell me the book used and I'll read it. I can't bare the thought of directly giving Franken my money.

Nick

That's what libraries are for. And you'll find his stuff in the FICTION section, with the KIDDIE books.
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post #251 of 282
9/3/03 at 6:58am
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Originally posted by JRC
That's what libraries are for. And you'll find his stuff in the FICTION section, with the KIDDIE books.

I thought it would be in the fantasy section.

Nick

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post #252 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:06am
i declare trumptman and jrc "kings of witty jabs"

who says conservatives aren't funny?

hahahahahahaha ooh! my sides hurt from the witty jabs.........
post #253 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:37am
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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
i declare trumptman and jrc "kings of witty jabs"

who says conservatives aren't funny?

hahahahahahaha ooh! my sides hurt from the witty jabs.........

It's really all they have left. Hell, it's not like either of them have read it.

I tell you, the ann coulter parts are really funny. I especially like the one where she goes on a long and detailed rant about how the NYT is liberal specifically because it (according to her lie) didn't report Earnhardt's death for two days. Imagine how elitist they would be if it was true! Franken straight up prints the front page of the NYT from the day after his death and, sure enough, there's the story.

And there are so many like this.

The section on O'Reilly is wild, too. You always knew the guy was a liar. Thanks to franken to bringing out transcript upon transcript.

It's particularly funny how he shows that these two, and hannity, cite sources pretending they say the exact opposite of what they say.

He shows how all three of them also just completely make up statistics and numbers. Coulter sites a source for a number on Bush's approval rating, but goiung to the source shows she completely made up the number. Hannity rests a big argument on a chart of budgets during the reagan admin that uses completely made-up figures.

Anyway, this is just a little of what is in the first half of the book. Happy reading!
post #254 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:04am
I finished the book. It's great. His chapter about Barbara Bush is kinda twisted... I liked it. She's as mean as her son. hehe.

I'm through with you.

When you write a book called "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" you have to have a truthful telling of the facts... conservatives will say it's fiction because it doesn't fall in line with what they've been told for 15-20 years.

The chapter where he picks a fight with Lowry is a kicker too.
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post #255 of 282
9/3/03 at 9:14am
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Originally posted by giant
It's really all they have left. Hell, it's not like either of them have read it.

I tell you, the ann coulter parts are really funny. I especially like the one where she goes on a long and detailed rant about how the NYT is liberal specifically because it (according to her lie) didn't report Earnhardt's death for two days. Imagine how elitist they would be if it was true! Franken straight up prints the front page of the NYT from the day after his death and, sure enough, there's the story.

And there are so many like this.

The section on O'Reilly is wild, too. You always knew the guy was a liar. Thanks to franken to bringing out transcript upon transcript.

It's particularly funny how he shows that these two, and hannity, cite sources pretending they say the exact opposite of what they say.

He shows how all three of them also just completely make up statistics and numbers. Coulter sites a source for a number on Bush's approval rating, but goiung to the source shows she completely made up the number. Hannity rests a big argument on a chart of budgets during the reagan admin that uses completely made-up figures.

Anyway, this is just a little of what is in the first half of the book. Happy reading!

Hey I think you are being disingenuous. I flat out said I would read the book. I even said I would purchase it used from someone in these forums.

You know giant even when someone shows a willingness, you just slap it down. Someone made a joke to me and I gave a joke back. Big deal. You are so sour and partisan on everything. You are as bad as the O'Reily's and others you claim to distain. You shout past people and don't even listen to them.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #256 of 282
9/3/03 at 9:26am
Quote:
Originally posted by trumptman
Hey I think you are being disingenuous. I flat out said I would read the book.

Where did I say anything about this other than "Hell, it's not like either of them have read it"?
That's right. I didn't. So you think wrong, buddy.
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You are so sour and partisan on everything.



Looks like you've found your sense of humor.

But, hey, if you want to consider a focus on truth to be a quality that makes me a 'liberal,' then that just shows where a self-professed right-wing conservative like yourself stands.
post #257 of 282
9/3/03 at 11:11am
Here's an excerpt from Joe Conason's book.

I'll start a topic on it once I've read most of it.

CONASON (page 10): This book confronts the biggest lies deployed by conservatives against liberalsÉIt doesnÕt suggest a conspiracy against liberals, or argue that Democrats havenÕt brought any of their problems on themselves. And it shouldnÕt be taken as a blanket indictment of Republicans or conservatives.

That last point is of special importance to meÉAlthough as a matter of literary convenience I frequently refer to conservatives and Republicans, I certainly donÕt believe that every conservative or every Republican is responsible for the offenses discussed in these pages.

Unlike Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter, I donÕt believe that my political adversaries are uniformly Òno good,Ó or un-American, or greedy, or bigoted, or stupid. I shouldnÕt have to say this, but I know from personal experience that generosity, compassion and wisdom cross all partisan and ideological boundariesÉ
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post #258 of 282
9/3/03 at 11:15am
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Originally posted by trumptman
Hey I think you are being disingenuous. I flat out said I would read the book. I even said I would purchase it used from someone in these forums.

You know giant even when someone shows a willingness, you just slap it down. Someone made a joke to me and I gave a joke back. Big deal. You are so sour and partisan on everything. You are as bad as the O'Reily's and others you claim to distain. You shout past people and don't even listen to them.

Nick

but they weren't funny......i was being sarcastic........or was it satire?
post #259 of 282
9/3/03 at 3:14pm
Pretty good interview with Franken on Fresh Air.
post #260 of 282
9/3/03 at 3:29pm
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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
but they weren't funny......i was being sarcastic........or was it satire?

I don't really care if you thought they were funny. The reply wasn't even directed at you.

The point is a willingness to read the book is not the same as choosing to remain blindly ignorant of it. I said the first, giant implied the latter.

I know there are just as many folks here who have never even read the Ann Coulter books Franken is discussing/disecting. I haven't read them either. However I don't sit there and declare her so bad I never would read her book nor did I do that with Franken. I wonder who here would be willing to read a conservative book with a satirish bent?

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #261 of 282
9/3/03 at 3:46pm
Well I wouldn't read Ann Coulter... or Sean Hannity... or O'Reilly... I'm a democrat... and a liberal... so...

But I would read a book by a conservative. Someone equal to Joe Conason.
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post #262 of 282
9/3/03 at 3:54pm
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Originally posted by trumptman
I don't really care if you thought they were funny. The reply wasn't even directed at you.

Nick

then you should try p/m'ing your drivel
post #263 of 282
9/3/03 at 6:00pm
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Originally posted by trumptman
I said the first, giant implied the latter.

I only said it because you implied that Bush was like Jesus.

Gosh! It really is easy to just make shit up!
post #264 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:41pm
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Originally posted by chu_bakka
Well I wouldn't read Ann Coulter... or Sean Hannity... or O'Reilly... I'm a democrat... and a liberal... so...

But I would read a book by a conservative. Someone equal to Joe Conason.

I am not familiar with the tone of his books. Is he a satirist or would you consider him a real research oriented writer?

If you consider him the latter, I would recommend one of Thomas Sowell's books.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #265 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:44pm
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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
then you should try p/m'ing your drivel

Then you should try pm'ing your grievences as well. You should also try some meds to stop your pms'ings about pm'ing or just posting with regard to on topic jokes.


Nick

Oh, I forgot liberals don't think that's funny.


Oh crap they don't like angry white males as well.



Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #266 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:48pm
"pms'ing about pm'ing".....now that was clever.

seriously. kudos.
post #267 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:50pm
Quote:
Originally posted by trumptman
I am not familiar with the tone of his books. Is he a satirist or would you consider him a real research oriented writer?

If you consider him the latter, I would recommend one of Thomas Sowell's books.

Nick

Trumptman, you are implying that Sowell went to the moon on the first Apollo missions!

At least, according to you definition of imply; which apparently means to accuse someone of saying something you just completely make up.
post #268 of 282
9/3/03 at 7:56pm
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Originally posted by trumptman

I know there are just as many folks here who have never even read the Ann Coulter books Franken is discussing/disecting. I haven't read them either. However I don't sit there and declare her so bad I never would read her book nor did I do that with Franken. I wonder who here would be willing to read a conservative book with a satirish bent?

You know why we don't have to read a book of her's? Because she is completely full of shit. And lots of it. No sane person can even get through a paragraph without getting sick from the smell. Franken, on the other hand, apparently has gone to great lengths to make sure the facts are correct. While I may disagree with some of his politics, what I have read so far in his book about Coulter, O'Reilly and Hannity appears completely bulletproof. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

And that's just the first little bit. Wait until you get to the parts about Rove. Not that it is anything new. It's just nice to see it all in one place. Like the fabricated Clinton trashing of the White House. Or his planting of a bug in his own office to make it appear a political opponent was spying. And on, and on...

Not that you are any different, trumptman. Even in this thread you are completely making shit up, just like your higher-profile brethren
post #269 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:07pm
Quote:
Originally posted by giant
Trumptman, you are implying that Sowell went to the moon on the first Apollo missions!

At least, according to you definition of imply; which apparently means to accuse someone of saying something you just completely make up.

I have no idea to what you are referring.

He asked for a conservative author who was not Coulter, Hannity, or O'Reilly (I assume he also means Limbaugh and the like.) In otherwords no loud talking t.v. personalities.

Thomas Sowell is definately worth reading. Regardless of what strangeness you wish to suggest.

A bit about Thomas Sowell...

EDUCATION:

Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958


EXPERIENCE:

Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980 - present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December 1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July 1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June 1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969 - June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 - June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 - August 1965
Lecturer in Economics, Howard University, September 1963 - June 1964
Instructor in Economics, Douglass College, September 1962 - June 1963
Labor Economist, U.S. Department of Labor, June 1961 - August 1962


PRINCIPAL PUBLICATIONS:

The Quest for Cosmic Justice (Free Press,1999)
Conquests and Cultures (Basic Books, 1998)
Migrations and Cultures (Basic Books, 1996)
The Vision of the Anointed (Basic Books, 1995)
Race and Culture: A World View ( Basic Books,1994 )
A Conflict of Visions (William Morrow, 1987)
Ethnic America (Basic Books, 1981)
Knowedge and Decisions (Basic Books, 1980)
Say's Law: An Historical Analysis (Princeton Univ.Press, 1972)

More available at http://www.tsowell.com/

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #270 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:12pm
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Originally posted by giant
Not that you are any different, trumptman. Even in this thread you are completely making shit up, just like your higher-profile brethren

Oh yes that is why I post links and you post name calling. I make "shit" up all the time. I do it on purpose to keep you posting on these boards instead of going out and working at shelters, being a big brother to fatherless kids and things of that nature.

Keep falling for my master plan. Keep repeating your truth made of lies, accusations, and name calling so that you can claim your compassion instead of actually demonstrating it through actions. Because I assure you that if you and everyone on here actual got the hell off the computer and walked your talk, we wouldn't need a single government program.

Enjoy.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #271 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:15pm
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Originally posted by giant
Not that you are any different, trumptman. Even in this thread you are completely making shit up, just like your higher-profile brethren

He's a serial liar.
post #272 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:33pm
Quote:
Originally posted by ShawnJ
He's a serial liar.

Yes Shawn, and you are so effective at proving this by... repeating it until it is true since you refuse to

1) post ideas
2) post research
3) link to something


Just keep repeating it over and over, and also keep telling yourself that by doing this others will believe you. However they might, a sucker is born every minute. There must be one around waiting to listen to your next repetition.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #273 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:34pm
On a humorous note...

Most Likely Top Ten Titles Of Al Franken's Next Book To Get Him Sued

By Daily Hog Staff

10 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"Built Ford Tough"

9 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"It's A Good Thing"

8 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"Betcha can't eat just one"

7 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"Have it your way"

6 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"Where do you want to go today?"

5 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"It's everywhere you want to be"

4 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"I liked it so much I bought the company"

3 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"Finger lickin' good"

2 - Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight"

And the Number One Title Of Al Franken's Next Book To Get Him Sued,
Lies, And the Liars Who Tell Them
"All the news that's fit to print"

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #274 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:38pm
Quote:
Originally posted by trumptman
I have no idea to what you are referring.

He asked for a conservative author who was not Coulter, Hannity, or O'Reilly (I assume he also means Limbaugh and the like.) In otherwords no loud talking t.v. personalities.

Thomas Sowell is definately worth reading. Regardless of what strangeness you wish to suggest.

A bit about Thomas Sowell...

I guess I should have left in what I edited out of that post: "get ready for a completely oblivious response from trumptman"
post #275 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:41pm
Quote:
Originally posted by trumptman
Oh yes that is why I post links and you post name calling. I make "shit" up all the time. I do it on purpose to keep you posting on these boards instead of going out and working at shelters, being a big brother to fatherless kids and things of that nature.

Keep falling for my master plan. Keep repeating your truth made of lies, accusations, and name calling so that you can claim your compassion instead of actually demonstrating it through actions. Because I assure you that if you and everyone on here actual got the hell off the computer and walked your talk, we wouldn't need a single government program.

Enjoy.

Nick

Yeah, you do make "shit" up, and all someone needs to do is look a couple of posts up to see it.

BTW: putting "shit" in quotes doesn't solve the whole lying problem you seem to have. Neither does trying to avoid accountability by talking about a 'master plan.' But you know what might help? Medication.

And sorry, but accusing people of saying things you completely make up doesn't make you a victim, it makes you a liar.
post #276 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:42pm
Quote:
Originally posted by giant
I guess I should have left in what I edited out of that post: "get ready for a completely oblivious response from trumptman"

Yes and I should have added, get ready for more name calling, unsupported accusations and other pointless sarcasm posing as intelligent discussion from giant.


Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

post #277 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:45pm
Quote:
Originally posted by trumptman
Yes and I should have added, get ready for more name calling, unsupported accusations and other pointless sarcasm posing as intelligent discussion from giant.


Nick

You know what, how about I just respond to every one of your posts with the following until you accept accountability for lying:

And sorry, but attacking people by accusing them of saying things you completely make up doesn't make you a victim, it makes you a liar.

And it's not unsupported. It's right here on this page. Just like it is in every thread you post.
post #278 of 282
9/3/03 at 8:53pm
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Originally posted by trumptman
Just keep repeating it over and over, and also keep telling yourself that by doing this others will believe you. However they might, a sucker is born every minute. There must be one around waiting to listen to your next repetition.

Listen man, I don't care. Most of us just want to have a discussion without having to wade through the lies you bring to every thread.

Keep lying, and we'll keep pointing them out.
post #279 of 282
9/3/03 at 9:00pm
I think we should actually thank trumptman. Who knew that were in on this very board we would have a living example of what is described in the book. It's a typical lie like the ones in the book. It's a totally obvious lie used to attack someone. He even went so far as to add the classic technique of lying and using that lie to call me "disingenuous." Beautiful.

BTW: I was unaware that there was actually a GAO report that said the supposed damage done to the white house by clinton staffers wasn't any worse than previous admins.
post #280 of 282
9/3/03 at 9:14pm
Yes and better yet, while Franken had footnotes, 14 researchers and Lexis/Nexis, you two have the ability to refute nothing while repeating yourselves over and over, crying liar, liar like 4 year olds.

I mean yes Shawn you did such a good job of "pointing out" how CNN would never endanger the first amendment by threatening to sue over a satire. Oh wait, they did.

Likewise neither of you liked how I showed Franken himself LIED and used Havard letterhead in an unauthorized manner. Nothing like starting off with lies to write a book about lies. Who better to write a book about "Lies" than a man who starts by telling them himself.

And giant, well you would have actually post something substative to refute. Since you don't do anything but repeatitively name call, there really isn't anything to refute.

Repetition... repetition...repetition...you guys are like Nazis. Keep repeating it until it must be true.

Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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