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Anyway this is what he told me. The 1ghz and 1.35ghz is the most interesting part. Hopefully it means that the 15" book will get a similar update.

Interesting. If true, a 167 MHz bus would be impossible, leaving us with the idea of a 200 MHz system bus speed. If that's true, DDR400 memory is possible.

If Apple opts for the 2MB DDR L3 cache, made possible by the 7457, this PB update could be quite speedy. The L2 in this chip is twice the size of the one it replaces so performance would be appreciably better than the MHz increase suggests.

Let's just hope there are enough of the 15" AlBooks to meet demand.
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Let's just hope there are enough of the 15" AlBooks to meet demand.

I've been waiting since the G5's were announced, I don't want to wait any longer!
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Let's just hope there are enough of the 15" AlBooks to meet demand.


Of course they won't.
post #444 of 559
Wow, I'm going to be in SUCH a pickle in about a week!

Gonna be a tough decision, especially if this new 15" is sporting the faster bus and larger cache mentioned above. Talk about a true "no compromise", desktop replacement portable!

Probably just as well if there's a little trouble meeting demand...gives me an extra month or so to put the final funds into place. That little "iBook/iPod gift for a friend" last month set me back...ate into my PowerBook fund a little bit.



But in a good way, so that's cool.
post #445 of 559
If those Powerbooks are announced at Paris, shipping immediately, that means the Buy a Bundle rebate would still be obtainable...saving me another $300...if this is the case, I may give in and buy a G4 powerbook, even though I vowed to wait for the G5. It would have to be at LEAST 1.3 Ghz with double the L2 cache, at least 1MB L3, 2MB would be a seller...Radeon graphics, backlit keyboard, AE, BT...all that at today's price points and Apple...you've sold yourself one more Powerbook G4.
post #446 of 559
Well I'll be one of the first in line for the new 15" PBs. I've been waiting since January. I'll have an Apple Loan for Education all set and ready to go....

I consider myself lucky as my wife wants one also but is willing to wait until June! I'll buy a G4 15" next week! ?!?! Then give it to my wife when the G5 PBs are announced next Spring/Fall :-).
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Well I'll be one of the first in line for the new 15" PBs. I've been waiting since January.

Same here. I wonder how many others here have been waiting since January?
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post #448 of 559
You know what's going to happen: there's going to be such a mad rush for them that it'll be weeks - if not months - before everyone who wants one will be able to get their hands on it.

If I opt for the 15" model, I've already accepted it'll probably be Halloween or so before I get my hands on one!



But that's cool...as long as they exist and I can actually sit and weigh real-world specs/features between the 12" and 15" and make a REAL decision (based on actual, existing gear), that'll be cool.

Then I'll just spend another month looking at it on Apple's site, listening to you guys talk about yours and playing with them at the Apple store...getting primed until I get one!
post #449 of 559
I ended up spending most of the money I'd saved for a notebook for my brother's wedding last spring, so I'm just sitting on the sidelines, watching all the drama unfold.

Fortunately, I don't have any more siblings, so unless I get hitched I should be able to get a notebook just in time to bite my nails in anticipation of the new low-voltage G6.
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post #450 of 559
I've only read the last two pages of this thread, so apologies if someone else has already mentioned it.... As the Apple Turns has a little spiel about fast and cool G3s from IBM waiting in the wings. And this makes a good deal of sense, since Mojave was announced quite some time ago.
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I've only read the last two pages of this thread, so apologies if someone else has already mentioned it.... As the Apple Turns has a little spiel about fast and cool G3s from IBM waiting in the wings. And this makes a good deal of sense, since Mojave was announced quite some time ago.

Hopefully they will be used in the ibooks, i would hate to see apple spread its supply of 7457s thin by using the ship in both the PowerBooks and iBooks. At the same time i really think that it is time for the ibook to go with a g4. Maybe they can put 7455s in the iBooks?
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Then I'll just spend another month looking at it on Apple's site, listening to you guys talk about yours and playing with them at the Apple store...getting primed until I get one!

Yes, but by that time you'll be thinking "Gee, these have been out a while now, it's probably only a few more months until they are revised...maybe I should wait..."

Take my advice and hit that "Buy with 1-Click" button the instant the site is back up!
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You need to read closer...I'm only waiting the extra month so I can get the money together.

Trust me...I'm NOT waiting any longer than I absolutely have to!
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You need to read closer...I'm only waiting the extra month so I can get the money together.

Trust me...I'm NOT waiting any longer than I absolutely have to!

Money money it all comes down to money or lack thereof. I for one am in some ways thankful that the economy has tanked and I now don't have enough money for an ipod, cinema display, pbook, ibook, isight. by the time i finally do there will be a 100 G ipod with a 30 inch cinema and G6 powerbook. it will seem like a huge upgrade instead of these incremental GeeFour so called upgrades.
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You need to read closer...I'm only waiting the extra month so I can get the money together.

On the contrary, I am well acquainted with your finances since your recent lavish gift, a thread I read with great interest. But new Macs are why CREDIT was invented!
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I'm under NDA but I can't resist! Information must be free!!

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Can I get that in a Dual?
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Can I get that in a Dual?

Sure but the dual is 3.5" thick.
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This design might attract Switchers from Windows because it would have the physical look, feel and heat as the current Windows products.
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post #460 of 559
O'Grady has more ("part II") on the new Powerbooks:

http://www.powerpage.org/cgi-bin/Web...y?newsID=11378

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Part II of an ongoing report. Read Part I.

Easily the hottest question in the PowerPage in-box (and via IM) is "Where is the PowerBook 5-Inch update?" Today we attempt to answer more of your questions on Apple's most-coveted (and as of yet, unannounced) new iron.

Q. Motorola's Power PC 7457 is the rumored chip that is to be used in the new Aluminum PowerBook 15-inch, can you confirm?

A. We believe this to be so based on early EVT and DVT mules, however PowerPage insiders have seen this sheep in different clothing. Whatever the chip, expect a 1.25GHz CPU in the 15.4-inch Aluminum model.

Q. Is Motorola causing the delay?

MacBidouille claims that due to Motorola's inability to produce PPC 7457s in large volumes, PowerBooks will be delayed until mid-October. While AppleInsider, also citing reliable sources, confirms that low processor supplies are the cause of the delays, but provides no time-frame for delivery. (MacRumors)

As we reported yesterday it is system integration that is slowing the new Aluminum PowerBook 15-inch release as opposed to a specific problem with the processors not arriving in large enough numbers.

A. The final assembly of the boxes were the main slow down. That caused the yields to be down on the number of machines that actually worked after leaving the assembly line. This was occurring about the same time as the SARS epidemic in Asia, so Apple did not require their employees to travel there. This also caused appreciable slow down in the production schedule.

Q. When will we see that spiffy new G5 processor in PowerBooks? Some sites suggest that G5-based PowerBooks may be deliverable in early 2004.

PowerBooks will go dual G4 first, then G5 once they figure our how to cool it, according to an internal product flowchart dated 9/5/03 obtained by the PowerPage.

(again, I've added emphasis)

My first thought when reading that "system integration" was the slowdown was "huh? --- wouldn't the HW be essentially the same as (current) 17" PowerBooks?". This made me think all the apparent time needed might imply something more than a G4. But now I dunno. It sure doesn't seem to me that engineering would be a problem after they are ready to assemble the damn things.

When was the SARS outbreak happening: May/June, right? Or July?


Anyway. Still vibrating for next week.
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post #461 of 559
I just had this weird suspicion of a dual G4 7455 PowerBook intro to make up for a lack of 7457's.


Remeber when Apple intro'ed the dual Powermac's due to a lack of speed increase?


Hmmpf.


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post #462 of 559
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe a single G5 produces the same heat (watts) than an equally rated (Mhz) G4, so I think O'Grady-Powerpage is making this stuff up. Also, going dual G4 before figuring out how to cool a single G5 just does not make sense.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe a single G5 produces the same heat (watts) than an equally rated (Mhz) G4, so I think O'Grady-Powerpage is making this stuff up. Also, going dual G4 before figuring out how to cool a single G5 just does not make sense.

I was thinking the same thing. Why would Apple spend time to try to figure out how to cool 2 shitty processors (G4s) when they could make us much happier by using one GREAT processor (G5)...That and Powerpage is full of $#!&. Weren't they one of the ones to say that Superdrives would not fit into a Powerbook back in November?
post #464 of 559
Personally, I think if you can do dual G4s, you can do a single G5. Heat would be worse in the dual, but engineering would be easier, I would think. However, if chip supplies were an issue, a dual would make matters worse (to be fair, the dual G4 story meshes well with the assembly-as-reason-for-the-delay story). It may be a case of dueling scapegoats (chip supply probs put the blame on Mot; assembly problems lie at the feet of Apple) and/or spin control.

Personally, I'm really skeptical of assembly issues, as they would have had all summer to deal with them. Likewise, they would have had all summer to engineer G5s in a PowerBook.

I'm expecting only a minor speed bump and updated features, so anything above that will be a pleasant suprise. I think there will be something from out in left field next Tuesday, but it could be software instead of hardware.
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post #465 of 559
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Originally posted by machem

Personally, I'm really skeptical of assembly issues, as they would have had all summer to deal with them. Likewise, they would have had all summer to engineer G5s in a PowerBook.

I have a feeling Apple went into the G5 project with the full intention of putting the G5 into a Powerbook soon after a Powermac. If I am correct, this would give them almost 1-2 years to engineer a cooling system and case design for the Powerbook G5. I have a feeling the aluminum enclosures are a step towards the G5 case redesign for the PB. I doubt that even Apple could redesign a mobo, cooling system, and case over the summer. If they did, they are absolute geniuses (not that they aren't already).

But ultimately, I think Apple has had the intention of putting a G5 into a Powerbook for some time, and Joswiak said several months ago now not to expect a G5 in a Powerbook anytime soon...what that means who knows...but what do you expect "Well, we will have a G5 Powerbook out by the end of fall..." I think not.

There is also the issue with the "phantom" supply of 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s that were reported several months ago. Whether or not they exist or not...who knows. But if they do, it is very possible they were intended for the Powerbook. Combine that with the fact that the iMacs don't have 7457 chips, merely overclocked 7455s to 1.25 Ghz, and the fact that a 1.2 Ghz G5 has the same heat and power consumption as a 1 Ghz G4, and I think we have a strong case for a G5 Powerbook soon.

The only thing that prevents me from believing my theory 100% is that Paris seems too small for such a big product announcement...then again..WWDC isn't a huge forum either, and Apple still successfully commanded a crap-load of media attention, and the fact the iMacs have 7455s not 7457 means that Apple may have reserved their limited quantities exclusively for the Powerbook line. In any case, I've said it before...I would be happy with a 1.3 Ghz 7457 G4 with 2MB L3 cache, backlit keyboard, FW800, BT, AE, in an Aluminum enclosure with a Radeon graphic card...but I would be MUCh happier (as I think we all would) with all that running along side a 64-bit G5.
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Todays build time for;

12inch about a week
17inch about a week

15inch is 2-3 weeks

Take from that what you like.
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Todays build time for;

12inch about a week
17inch about a week

15inch is 2-3 weeks

Take from that what you like.

Not at the Apple Store US. The United States online Apple Store has shown 3-5 days consistently now for the past month +/-

By the way, last time there was a pending expo (*cough* WWDC), there was some "premature specification," a few nights before the Expo. Hope that happens again! Recently, during the iMac/iPod update, there was some problems with the upload of new graphics to the Apple Store, where REALLY old graphics were shown temporarily. Of course, the Store went down a few minutes later and those problems were fixed. I need to put some closure on this whole PowerBook situation. I'll probably look back upon this whole chapter as "what the **** was I thinking?"
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Not at the Apple Store US. The United States online Apple Store has shown 3-5 days consistently now for the past month +/-

Wrong - not to raise any hopes, but the 17" has consistently been same day, and just recently 1-3 days, and now it shows 3-5 days just like the 12" & 15".
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post #469 of 559
Wrong for the 17-inch, yes. I was meaning to speak to just 12- and 15-inch models.
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post #470 of 559
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I have a feeling Apple went into the G5 project with the full intention of putting the G5 into a Powerbook soon after a Powermac. If I am correct, this would give them almost 1-2 years to engineer a cooling system and case design for the Powerbook G5. I have a feeling the aluminum enclosures are a step towards the G5 case redesign for the PB. I doubt that even Apple could redesign a mobo, cooling system, and case over the summer. If they did, they are absolute geniuses (not that they aren't already).

But ultimately, I think Apple has had the intention of putting a G5 into a Powerbook for some time, and Joswiak said several months ago now not to expect a G5 in a Powerbook anytime soon...what that means who knows...but what do you expect "Well, we will have a G5 Powerbook out by the end of fall..." I think not.

There is also the issue with the "phantom" supply of 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s that were reported several months ago. Whether or not they exist or not...who knows. But if they do, it is very possible they were intended for the Powerbook. Combine that with the fact that the iMacs don't have 7457 chips, merely overclocked 7455s to 1.25 Ghz, and the fact that a 1.2 Ghz G5 has the same heat and power consumption as a 1 Ghz G4, and I think we have a strong case for a G5 Powerbook soon.

The only thing that prevents me from believing my theory 100% is that Paris seems too small for such a big product announcement...then again..WWDC isn't a huge forum either, and Apple still successfully commanded a crap-load of media attention, and the fact the iMacs have 7455s not 7457 means that Apple may have reserved their limited quantities exclusively for the Powerbook line. In any case, I've said it before...I would be happy with a 1.3 Ghz 7457 G4 with 2MB L3 cache, backlit keyboard, FW800, BT, AE, in an Aluminum enclosure with a Radeon graphic card...but I would be MUCh happier (as I think we all would) with all that running along side a 64-bit G5.
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I believe that Apple has alot of issues but one thing is certain!!!September 23 AMD will release a 64 bit processor and Alienware has a notebook ready for the release!Apple has been struggling along but they announced the FIRST 64 Bit Processor!!!! AS always they were first in the technology and along comes AMD,WINTEL to move in for more glory!!!!Hopefully Apple has seen the future and will be ready for a huge announcment in Paris and if not they will look pretty silly in the earlier statement "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" But I am new so maybe this is just there rutine business to set the stage for all others!
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I believe that Apple has alot of issues but one thing is certain!!!September 23 AMD will release a 64 bit processor and Alienware has a notebook ready for the release!Apple has been struggling along but they announced the FIRST 64 Bit Processor!!!! AS always they were first in the technology and along comes AMD,WINTEL to move in for more glory!!!!Hopefully Apple has seen the future and will be ready for a huge announcment in Paris and if not they will look pretty silly in the earlier statement "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" But I am new so maybe this is just there rutine business to set the stage for all others!

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post #473 of 559
Read this next line very carefully.

THERE WILL NOT BE A G5 PowerBook AT MAC EXPO PARIS.
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post #474 of 559
what's up with those powerpage.org posts. they don't make any sense to me.

and hasn't apple already told resellers that new powerbooks will be out and shipping next week, so why are people taking powerpage seriously?

the info from powerpage seems incoherent and totally out of it. it's almost as if they're intentionally starting farfetched no new powerbooks rumor to keep people guessing and (probably more likely reason) to drive people to their site.
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Read this next line very carefully.

THERE WILL NOT BE A G5 PowerBook AT MAC EXPO PARIS.


Wow, are you Steve Jobs? How can you be so sure...

I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.
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I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.

I'll have a big laugh if it happens, but I don't think it will either. The only thing that makes me think it might, is the seemingly long delay there has been in getting a 15" AlBook on the market. Steve Jobs loves surprises.
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Hi there all.

After the new 15" failed to surface in late August (was it the 24th?), I decided I couldn't wait any longer and ordered a TiBook, which turned up two days later. Last week, after only 2 weeks it started to develop noticeable brighter areas on the display. I sent it to the local service shop last week. When I rang them this morning they said that the laptop would be returned to Apple and that I will be getting a new one, which is nice.

He said however that they are not expecting to get one before the end of the month.

Hmmm. Sucks that I have to wait, but this could be a good thing...

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I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims.

Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.

Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.
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Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.

Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.

If Apple can throw a 1.25 Ghz 7455 Moto chip in there, they can sure as hell put a 1.2 Ghz G5 into a Powerbook enclosure. Less heat, less power consumption..same size. Hell, they probably even have 20,000 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s lying around too. All I'm saying is, never underestimate Apple. They have done things before that we thought weren't possible at the time, who's to say they won't do it next week.
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OK, so now our favorite site has confirmed G4 PowerBooks next week. You will excuse me if I don't believe it 100%. Maybe 51%.

So, will more sites fall all over themselves to back this up? Looking back over the past few days, there has been a ton of information, but almost none of it is in agreement.

Whatever I order on Tuesday, I just pray it ships immediately.
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