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post #81 of 559
If say the new PB come out this week, then speeds bumbs, mild upgrades come at what pace???? This only helps to understand if there is a g5 PB when in 04 It' not a matter of IF it's WHEN. i would think apple wants out of moto asap, agreee, or if the chips are cheap then maybe continue. but apple sees g5 as future not moto correct, so why not followup PB update the g5 and not simply speed bump on a moto chip?????
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post #82 of 559
unless we do see the miracle of a g5 in a powerbook before the end of sept, im pretty sure these updates are meant to hold people off until the g5 actually is announced sometime in early 04'.

I'm in the situation where this is my first mac, so i dont care what chip is in the book, as long as the 15 gets some of the features that the other 2 books (specifically the 17) have. Myself and a bunch of "switching" back to school college kids are more than willing to take a new revision. The mass public does not read rumor sites, so the mass public will probably not be as upset with a speedbumped and revised Pbook line instead of a brand new powerbook with the g5 in it.

Now if only i knew when these updated pbooks were to be announced, my headaches would go away and my money would stop screaming at me to be spent. (as you can see, all these rumors cause me to hallucinate and talk to currency)
post #83 of 559
Just throwing out a thought...

ThinkSecret
"All of the new models will run a Jaguar OS variant code-named Blackrider. Like Smeagol, the build train for the Power Mac G5, Blackrider is a special version of Mac OS X 10.2.7 with hardware support for the new models."
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/augustpowerbooks.html

Have you ever thought why they would need to upgrade the OS version?

Currently the 17inch powerbook has all the bells and wistles that everyone assumes the 15inch will be upgrading to. However, there wouldn't be a need for a new OS since it already works with the 17inch.

The only thing I could think would be if the OS regulates the processing speed. Because if it did, the a bump in speed above 1 Ghz would need the new OS version.

Otherwise...

The new OS only is another sign that the PowerBook might be switching to the G5 !!!!

What other hardware changes would one need to make an new OS other than the G5 ???


Please do share your thoughts on my logic and your understanding of the OS integration with hardware components.
post #84 of 559
Didn't you post that exact paragraph above, Dr. Holistic, in that other thread? Or am I imagining things...
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Didn't you post that exact paragraph above, Dr. Holistic, in that other thread? Or am I imagining things...


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I am not going to wait for the new PB'S! I am selling the 12inch PB and buying a Dell!
post #87 of 559
SpyMac (I know I know, let the flaming begin, but read before lighting the torches) had a VERY interesting article. Here it is.

http://www.spymacnetworknews.com/com...id=278_0_1_0_C

It all seems to make sense. Who knows if any of the mentioned rumors were true or not. Nonetheless, it seems like a valid argument and if nothing else, it is good reading for those of us dying for a Powerbook G5.
post #88 of 559
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I am not going to wait for the new PB'S! I am selling the 12inch PB and buying a Dell!

And this affords you what benefit?
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post #89 of 559
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Originally posted by Dr_Holistic
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The new OS only is another sign that the PowerBook might be switching to the G5 !!!!

What other hardware changes would one need to make an new OS other than the G5 ???

Every new bit of hardware from Apple requires a newer OS version than whatever is on the shelves at the time it ships. This has been for a long time. Nothing new here.
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I was just kidding about the Dell. I already have 3. I am gonna sell the 12inch PB and pick up a 15 or 17. I know I will get flamed but the Dell is faster than the PB for the apps I do.
post #91 of 559
I am annoyed by people kept saying the G5 will be in the next revision of the PBs...it's not going to happen. The G5s have 4 seperate cooling ways, and there's no way they're going to fit all that stuff in a PB AL chassie (even in the 17"), plus manufacturing techniques arn't cost effective yet, even for the desktops. Finally, if my memory serves me correctly, it took Apple almost 1 1/2 years to put the G4 in the laptop after the desktop are released. But, like everyone else, I am also waiting to buy an PB, just hope they release to buying something in the next few weeks...
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I am annoyed by people kept saying the G5 will be in the next revision of the PBs...it's not going to happen. The G5s have 4 seperate cooling ways, and there's no way they're going to fit all that stuff in a PB AL chassie (even in the 17"), plus manufacturing techniques arn't cost effective yet, even for the desktops. Finally, if my memory serves me correctly, it took Apple almost 1 1/2 years to put the G4 in the laptop after the desktop are released. But, like everyone else, I am also waiting to buy an PB, just hope they release to buying something in the next few weeks...

The thermal cooling zones are built for the PowerMac's high clock speed G5s, 8 GB RAM, 4x superdrive, and dual SCSI hard drives. Putting a 1.2 Ghz G5 into a powerbook is not all that unfeasible. If Apple has been working on the G5 for three years and the case for a little less than that...don't you think they at least had the foresight to develop a case and cooling system for a Powerbook G5. Who's to say that Apple hasn't been developing the Powerbook G5 as long as they have been developing the PowerMac G5. I think it's entirely possible to have a G5 Powerbook announced at Paris. The G4 was an entirely different beast. The thing is power hungry and runs VERY hot. From what I've gathered, the G5 running at 1.2 Ghz doesn't consume as much power or isn't as hot as a G4 running at the same speed.

Why have we gone 10 months without a new 15", why didn't the 15" go Aluminum when the 12s and 17s were announced (why didn't Apple just hold out on the November 6th update another 2 months to announce an Aluminum 15"). I think Apple has something big up their sleeves, and hopefully we'll see it at Paris. If I'm wrong, so what...it was fun to speculate. But I'll tell you one thing, the next Powerbook I buy will have an IBM processor in it.
post #93 of 559
You know, those are cool questions and observations. While I'm pretty much on record as saying, repeatedly, "no G5 PowerBook until sometime mid/late 2004...", it is indeed fun to wonder "what if...".



Been SO long. And as you said, why didn't they hold off for another couple of months and intro all three models (15" along with the 12" and 17") at MWSF in the new aluminum bodies.

Could they have been working on this all along?

I don't know, just asking...

Talk about everyone freaking out if that came to be!

Here's something too: why weren't the new 12" and 17" models just smaller and larger variations on the TiBook? Whole new body and style. Maybe Apple has built these aluminum models to currently house the G4 stuff, BUT with little-to-no-modifications or redesign, they'll also serve as the bodies that the G5 will go in when the PowerBook does ever go to that?

You've got your two pro lines both sheathed in matching skins (the same way the iMac and iBook share the white plastic thing).

No, I honestly DO NOT expect a G5 PowerBook ANYTIME before sometime well into 2004. But holy smokes, WHAT if the reason for all this delay and obvious discrepency between the features/styling of the 15" compared to the other two models had something to do with this HUGE surprise or something massive Apple has up its sleeve?





I still think we're looking at G4s this next time or two around, don't get me wrong. But it's fun to temporarily put on your "okay, just imagine if..." hat every once in a while...
post #94 of 559
It is SO much more fun to dream. I for one will be expecting G5 Powerbooks, just to be different, and it's good to think different . But my credit card is ready to go and I will be down to my local Apple Store faster than you can say "HOLY $#!%"
post #95 of 559
The thing I find very odd is the large difference in features and speeds when comparing the 12", 15", and 17". The 15" PB and also not-to-be-mentioned brands are the most popular sizes made today. The 12" isin't large enough to be practicle and the 17" is much to large to carry on a constant basis.

This may be the big "update" everyone is waiting for, and even expecting. The 15" PB, laptop, whatever you want to call it is the ruling class. More money will be made on the 15" than the 12" and 17" combined.

I wouldn't necessarily rule any daydream out of the question. Then again ............ we may get zilch until.......
post #96 of 559
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Originally posted by filmmaker2002
SpyMac (I know I know, let the flaming begin, but read before lighting the torches) had a VERY interesting article...

Sorry to be the one to light the fire here, but there's no source attribution at all in that "article." (Or is it just a forum post? what is Spymac News Network anyway?) And, to fan the flames a little more, since when is August 10 months after January?

Not that a PowerBook G5 wouldn't be welcome, of course...
post #97 of 559
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S And, to fan the flames a little more, since when is August 10 months after January?

The 15 inch TiBook was last updated in November. ( 10 months ago.) Probably come s from that .

Poorly worded / structured but the TiBook is 10 months old.

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post #98 of 559
not just 10 months since the TiBook was updated, 10 months since we've had a PROCESSOR update!
post #99 of 559
Well, unless that SpyMac post was authored by Bill M., we have two sources for a G5 PowerBook update this week.

Bill?
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post #100 of 559
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Here's something too: why weren't the new 12" and 17" models just smaller and larger variations on the TiBook? Whole new body and style. Maybe Apple has built these aluminum models to currently house the G4 stuff, BUT with little-to-no-modifications or redesign, they'll also serve as the bodies that the G5 will go in when the PowerBook does ever go to that?

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Well, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

And now macnews.de claims that Steve will hold the Keynote in Paris! Does this fit or not? Powerbooks (G4/G5?), iMacs or Panther? Or all together?

we'll see.
post #101 of 559
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Originally posted by GreggWSmith
I was just kidding about the Dell. I already have 3. I am gonna sell the 12inch PB and pick up a 15 or 17. I know I will get flamed but the Dell is faster than the PB for the apps I do.

What apps do you do? Exactly?
post #102 of 559
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Well, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

And now macnews.de claims that Steve will hold the Keynote in Paris! Does this fit or not? Powerbooks (G4/G5?), iMacs or Panther? Or all together?

we'll see.

Wasn't it always going to be a Stevenote in Paris ? Thought it was.
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post #103 of 559
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And now macnews.de claims that Steve will hold the Keynote in Paris! Does this fit or not?

No. Steve would almost certainly have done the keynote even if there were not major hardware announcements. Remember, in 2000 we got Key Lime iBooks and the OS X public beta, and period. I SUSPECT that the new iBooks and perhaps PowerBooks that came in October 2001 would have been unveiled in Paris if the show had not been cancelled. When they did come in October they were shipping immediately so they were clearly ready to go.

My guess for Paris is an announcement of Panther shipping date, with a note that any Mac bought after the keynote will get Panther for $20, and a big splash about the G5 shipping. Maybe speed-bumped iMacs. Maybe iTunes for Europe and maybe Euro retail stores in addition to Paris. That would be plenty. PowerBooks are possible, however, especially if we don't get them this week. At this point it almost makes sense for Apple to wait.
post #104 of 559
I just couldn't take it, I bought a Dell! Dammit Apple, ohh god I've sinned. Serious though, if Apple doesn't come out with a new G4 Powerbook soon I'm just going to keep using my current one. So Apple better come out with a new one or I'll be stuck with just a feasable machine and not a real feasable machine. Hmmmm, so glad purple sticky punch is summi legal here.
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post #105 of 559
Just curious. Why is the reaction to Apple not releasing a new PB to buy a dell? How does that make sense? Personally, I want a new PB, but I am able to wait. If I couldn't wait and needed a laptop I would consider one of the current new PBs or a refurbished one. That would tide me over till I was happy with whatever comes out from Apple.
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post #106 of 559
seeing that you cant even BUY a powerbook in the whole of my country - all suppliers are out of stock and none are expected for delivery - if you neeeeeeeed a laptop, as i do, you start considering other brands fairly smartly..

not that i dont waaaaant a powerbook - i just cant get one!!
post #107 of 559
Did anyone read the article on Forbes predicting about the release of new PowerBooks. The link to the article is New PowerBooks .
post #108 of 559
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Did anyone read the article on Forbes predicting about the release of new PowerBooks. The link to the article is New PowerBooks .

That just looks like a rehash, and it's written as a way of indirectly summarizing all the rumors sites without crediting any of them.

Forbes has had the scoop on Apple before, but this is just a roundup - although that might be a way of affirming the rumors. AtAT has been known to do the same thing by choosing to link to someone else's report of information they receive.
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Hmmmm, so glad purple sticky punch is summi legal here.

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post #110 of 559
Ok, here it is, if no new powerbook is released tomarrow AUG 26th I will order a current 15in from the Apple store for education and max out everything. And take advantage of the buy a nudle get a bundel thingy. Hey at least it will have an ATI graphics card. I cant wait any longer I need a laptop for school. Whos with me ?? ......Nobody....\
post #111 of 559
I'm not. I want NEW. The current PowerBooks are 10 Months OLD!!!

By the way, don't you think it's funny that Think Secret, who among all of the rumor sites is the most accurate, has details of the iMacs, right down to the video card, memory, and pricing -- yet they hardly have a grasp on new PowerBook specs, only to say that development wrapped up on them. Huh? Don't you think that's peculiar?
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I'm not. I want NEW. The current PowerBooks are 10 Months OLD!!!

By the way, don't you think it's funny that Think Secret, who among all of the rumor sites is the most accurate, has details of the iMacs, right down to the video card, memory, and pricing -- yet they hardly have a grasp on new PowerBook specs, only to say that development wrapped up on them. Huh? Don't you think that's peculiar?

I also want a new powerbook, I just hope that they don't cost any more than the current models.

I hope that think secrets lack of concise information regarding the P-books is just because apple has done a good job hiding their development. but that is a little bit wonky that they would know so much about one thing and so little about another.

then again, if they DO have a source then it is probably not in the powerbook development, so that any information they get about the powerbooks is scarce and inconclusive, \
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post #114 of 559
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I was at a Micro Center today in Dallas and was told that their Apple rep told them to expect the new PB's to be in the stores in Mid September. Just words but you never know!
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I was at a Micro Center today in Dallas and was told that their Apple rep told them to expect the new PB's to be in the stores in Mid September. Just words but you never know!

First off that is ridiculous if it is true, apple missed all chances at back to school laptop sales. Isnt paris in mid december? So perhaps we will see them there.

Secondy this guy prolly know nothing just seeing like we all are that there are no powerbooks in the channel.

Lastly I desperatly hope they come tomorrow and perhaps ship mid december, at least we would know they are coming...
post #116 of 559
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Isnt paris in mid december? So perhaps we will see them there.

Are you smoking the crunch again?

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post #118 of 559
This is the biggest mystery I've ever seen of Apple. Sure, Motorola is slow coming up with new chips for what Apple would release as a speed-bumped new-skinned 15" PowerBook, with all the Al features one would expect. Why Apple didn't just bite the bullet and release one with a 1.0 Ghz processor and all the other features months ago to capture some of the school market, I'll never understand. Or, perhaps I will when it is finally released, but I doubt it.

If Apple somehow releases a G5 PowerBook soon, we'll all be surprised and excited, but it won't really explain this delay, at least not in my mind. Apple has had new technology people want; i.e. Bluetooth, Airport Extreme, Firewire 800, light up keyboards; and most people don't want to buy new expensive equipment that doesn't have it. Why hold up a new product with all these goodies over a speed-bump?
post #119 of 559
I agree with iDave. This really has been strange. Apple could have brought out a 15" Al PB last May. It would have been perfectly in line with the 12" and 17" PBs. A few people might have groused a little about the lack of a speed bump but it would have been a really sweet PB with various new technologies making it a worthy upgrade over the Ti PB. Instead we have this swirl of rumors gumming up the works. I think a lot of people have held off from buying the Ti PB not because it is a bad laptop but just because it is not "new". This behavior really doesn't make sense.

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Separate topic. I noticed that Monday night Apple just changed their web page. Instead of "G5 shipping" they are now advertising Flash software. That is a little puzzling. If new PBs are coming Tuesday morning then that seems to be too short a time to run that ad. They could have just run the "G5 shipping " till Tuesday morning. Perhaps they would run the Flash ad in rotation with the new PB ads.
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post #120 of 559
MX ads on the Apple site = no Powerbooks tomorrow would be my guess.

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