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post #1 of 279
8/26/03 at 8:09am
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I can't help but notice that Steve is going to keynote Expo 2003. Do you think he would waste precious RDF on an arb G4 PB update? Or is this keynote something more G5-related .. ??

say it with me now: GEE FIVE POWERBOOK

or it could just be a Panther release. .... . .. . .
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post #2 of 279
8/26/03 at 8:30am
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Originally posted by g::masta
I can't help but notice that Steve is going to keynote Expo 2003. Do you think he would waste precious RDF on an arb G4 PB update? Or is this keynote something more G5-related .. ??

say it with me now: GEE FIVE POWERBOOK

or it could just be a Panther release. .... . .. . .

I don't know if Panther will be release, but i am sure, that Panther will be the principal point of his keynote. I am ready to bet that there will be a place to present the updated powerbook and especially the new 15 alu book.
The i book should be updated too, with the new GX chip from IBM, same apply for the I mac line, who also need an update.
post #3 of 279
8/26/03 at 8:57am
I have lost all hope for a G5 powerbook or any powerbook updates for that matter.
post #4 of 279
8/26/03 at 8:57am
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Originally posted by Powerdoc
I don't know if Panther will be release, but i am sure, that Panther will be the principal point of his keynote. I am ready to bet that there will be a place to present the updated powerbook and especially the new 15 alu book.
The i book should be updated too, with the new GX chip from IBM, same apply for the I mac line, who also need an update.

Panther-Demo in Europe
G5-Demo in Europe

and one out of the following:
- New Powerbooks (G4)
- New iBooks (G3 1GHz min.)
- New iMac
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post #5 of 279
8/26/03 at 10:32am
Soooooo, let's make this:

The Official Paris Expo Countdown Thread

Stevenote: T minus 20 days : 14 hours : 27 minutes


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post #6 of 279
8/26/03 at 11:43am
Quote:
Originally posted by Krassy
Panther-Demo in Europe
G5-Demo in Europe

and one out of the following:
- New Powerbooks (G4)
- New iBooks (G3 1GHz min.)
- New iMac

I agree with the Jedi.

My only concern is that if the PB G4 is released so late that either:

the G5 PB will be released well into 2004
or this G4 revision will be a very brief revision, ticking off quite a few customers
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post #7 of 279
8/26/03 at 12:03pm
Panther release date maybe. New iTunes/iMovie/iCal, etc optimized for the G5.

15" mentioned
shipping updates on the G5
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post #8 of 279
8/26/03 at 12:25pm
Paris:

New Powerbooks across the board.
Announcement that iTMS will be coming in November.
Panther Preview with "by the end of year" announcement

iMac updates will preceed Paris announcement.
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post #9 of 279
8/26/03 at 12:50pm
Quote:
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
Paris:

New Powerbooks across the board.
Announcement that iTMS will be coming in November.
Panther Preview with "by the end of year" announcement

iMac updates will preceed Paris announcement.



Maybe. Or you could switch the powerbook and imac announcements. Ill just keep waiting. Patiently waiting....
post #10 of 279
8/27/03 at 1:30pm
Stevenote: T minus 19 days : 11 hours : 29 minutes


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post #11 of 279
8/27/03 at 2:15pm
I feel pretty confident with this one:

First, we'll see an iMac update BEFORE Paris. See my thread on the subject for details.

At Paris:
  • G5 sales and distribution update
  • Powerbook 12 & 17" speed bumps
  • Powerbook 15" aluminum released
  • iTunes Music Store lauds & praises, info on Win. version.
  • Panther preview and release date
Not necessarily in that particular order...but probably. And that's a full keynote.

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post #12 of 279
8/27/03 at 3:28pm
How come no note of 17" Cinema Displays? The Studios were EOL'd in may and ... please... please?

Sigh, better hold off on that G5 purchase...
post #13 of 279
8/27/03 at 6:16pm
Could it be possible that SJ is so pissed at Moto that instead of releasing a piss poor update to the PB's that Apple delays the update for MWParis to announce a G5 PB - Cool thought.

I suspect Apple might be concerned about sales (and customers perceptions) of a G4 update as interim. I suspect however, that we get to see 7457's in PB's as well as iMacs at least for now.
post #14 of 279
8/27/03 at 6:29pm
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Originally posted by hasapi
Could it be possible that SJ is so pissed at Moto that instead of releasing a piss poor update to the PB's that Apple delays the update for MWParis to announce a G5 PB - Cool thought.

I suspect Apple might be concerned about sales (and customers perceptions) of a G4 update as interim. I suspect however, that we get to see 7457's in PB's as well as iMacs at least for now.

I would still rather see Steve kick the Moto CEO in the balls on stage...but a G5 Powerbook will suffice.
post #15 of 279
8/27/03 at 6:38pm
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Originally posted by filmmaker2002
I would still rather see Steve kick the Moto CEO in the balls on stage...but a G5 Powerbook will suffice.

You bet! Seeing Apple/IBM on stage and announcing the G5 PMac was metaphorically similar.

Up to 2G for the 7457 and a 1.6G 7457 for the iMacs now would be nice of them, but what is the possibility?
post #16 of 279
8/27/03 at 6:51pm
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
I feel pretty confident with this one:

First, we'll see an iMac update BEFORE Paris. See my thread on the subject for details.

At Paris:
  • G5 sales and distribution update
  • Powerbook 12 & 17" speed bumps
  • Powerbook 15" aluminum released
  • iTunes Music Store lauds & praises, info on Win. version.
  • Panther preview and release date
Not necessarily in that particular order...but probably. And that's a full keynote.


I would have to agree and also add a bit. With the iTunes Win version, it may just be another plugin for MusicMatch player ....... similar to the one used for the iPod.
post #17 of 279
8/27/03 at 7:07pm
wait a tic...I thought that iTMS wasn't available overseas as well...just in the states.

anyone want to correct me on this?

I mean ,it would be foolish to talk about iTMS in europe if no one there could use it.
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post #18 of 279
8/27/03 at 7:11pm
Yeah...if anyone here is seriously anticpating a G5 PowerBook or iMac anytime before next February, you need to visit your local Apple Store and have a good long look at the heat sink parked ontop the PowerMac G5's processor(s). If you have a look at the inside of a single-processor PowerMac G5, you'll see that the empty space where the second processor and heatsink would go is large enough for you to fit your head into.

post #19 of 279
8/27/03 at 7:12pm


Okay, now THAT'S a mockup!
post #20 of 279
8/27/03 at 7:31pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Cory Bauer
....

I like the "because you couldn't wait"!

post #21 of 279
8/27/03 at 7:34pm
Quote:
Originally posted by H4wk
I would have to agree and also add a bit. With the iTunes Win version, it may just be another plugin for MusicMatch player ....... similar to the one used for the iPod.

Hmm, would that've really taken so long to make, though?
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post #22 of 279
8/27/03 at 8:03pm
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Originally posted by Wrong Robust
I mean ,it would be foolish to talk about iTMS in europe if no one there could use it.

True. We very well might see an international version of iTunes Music Store available immediately and THEN info on a Win. version.
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post #23 of 279
8/27/03 at 8:18pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Cory Bauer
Yeah...if anyone here is seriously anticpating a G5 PowerBook or iMac anytime before next February, you need to visit your local Apple Store and have a good long look at the heat sink parked ontop the PowerMac G5's processor(s). If you have a look at the inside of a single-processor PowerMac G5, you'll see that the empty space where the second processor and heatsink would go is large enough for you to fit your head into.

You forget that the G5 running at 1.2 Ghz produces LESS heat than current G4s in Powerbooks. 19W in the G5 1.2 vs. 22W in a 1.0 G4 or something along those lines. Nice mockup though...
post #24 of 279
8/27/03 at 8:41pm
Everyone also seems to be forgetting that the heat sinks on the MDD G4s are also HUGE, although not quite as big as on the G5. And of course they have several LOUD fans. Doesn't stop them from putting a G4 in a powerbook.
post #25 of 279
8/27/03 at 9:50pm
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Originally posted by Auream
Everyone also seems to be forgetting that the heat sinks on the MDD G4s are also HUGE, although not quite as big as on the G5. And of course they have several LOUD fans. Doesn't stop them from putting a G4 in a powerbook.

And those are different G4 chips that go into the PowerBooks. They are more suited for that environment. The G5's suited for a PowerBook won't be ready until next year. Apple's guys have said themselves you're not going to see a G5 in a PowerBook anytime soon.

And I'm glad you guys like the "mock-up"
post #26 of 279
8/27/03 at 10:01pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Cory Bauer
And those are different G4 chips that go into the PowerBooks. They are more suited for that environment. The G5's suited for a PowerBook won't be ready until next year. Apple's guys have said themselves you're not going to see a G5 in a PowerBook anytime soon.

And I'm glad you guys like the "mock-up"

Anytime soon like 2 months ago...but that's debateable
post #27 of 279
8/27/03 at 11:14pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Cory Bauer
And those are different G4 chips that go into the PowerBooks. They are more suited for that environment. The G5's suited for a PowerBook won't be ready until next year. Apple's guys have said themselves you're not going to see a G5 in a PowerBook anytime soon.

And I'm glad you guys like the "mock-up"

Yes, but what do expect him to say - we hope to have them in PB's as soon as humanly possible, single handardly tanking sales of PB's for 3 months?.

Your probably right, but why wouldnt apple provide even modest updates for the PB's and the iMacs that appear STUCK at 1G. By all accounts Moto did state that 7457's would be available Q3/Q4, thats still a month away from Q4.

Further, if Apple does indeed require 7457's for both of these product lines, there going to need a SHIT LOAD OF 7457's to satisfy demand. So it may have been decided to wait for Paris to ensure Apple gets all the chips it needs and announcing the updates then. I just hope there at 1.33 or higher?
post #28 of 279
8/27/03 at 11:40pm
hmmm Paris ....

my two cents :

The big things will be ...
1. an Actual shipping DATE for Panther (maybe immediately so as not to slow sales of machines between now and then)
2. new iMacs ... faster G4's, DDR,


Now ... if I were to be WILDLY optimistic...
1. Panther is now shipping.
2. G5 powerbooks coming soon... (no interim update)
3. 1gig and 1.25gig iMacs w/ new graphics
4. G4 iBooks in time for xmas. (G3 is dead)

but really, it just seems too soon on the heels of the G5 tower for a G5 PB already, in which case there sure wouldn't be a G4 in the iBook. I just can't get over the fact that the iBook is the ONLY G3 still in production.

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post #29 of 279
8/27/03 at 11:49pm
Quote:
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
Anytime soon like 2 months ago...but that's debateable

When Apple says that G5 PowerMacs are "shipping soon" they mean 8-12 weeks.

When Apple says that a G5 won't go into the PowerBook "anytime soon" they mean 8-12 months.

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post #30 of 279
8/27/03 at 11:50pm
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And those are different G4 chips that go into the PowerBooks.

Nope. Same chip. The 7455. Different core voltages for the pbooks and pmacs.
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post #31 of 279
8/28/03 at 5:39am
I hope that they will - finally - introduce/provide the same level of iApp-services as in the US and Canada:

- iPhoto prints and books (I read that the Kodak service Apple uses in the US is now available in Europe, too)
- more European Sherlok channels
- iTMS

I am not so sure about hardware updates, but most of Apple's offerings are _slowly_ collecting dust.

Concerning the release of Panther: What do current Developer Previews tell us about the state of the beast? Is it anywhere near GM state?

Oh, yeah, t-1.
post #32 of 279
8/28/03 at 6:25am
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post #33 of 279
8/28/03 at 11:07am
Stevenote: T minus 18 days : 13 hours : 52 minutes


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post #34 of 279
8/28/03 at 1:58pm
Products/Serivces that I THINK that will be released at Apple Expo Paris:

PB G4 (G5 unlikly)
iTune for Windows
Wireless Keyboard/Mouse
New iPod "peripherials"

I've been waiting to buy an PB for the whole summer, hope this will be it...

Also, I stopped by my campus computer store earlier today (8/27), the 15" is no longer on display, and the sales rep told me the new shipment should arive "anytime" soon...
post #35 of 279
8/28/03 at 2:23pm
No question about it... Hold me to my prediction!

Paris Expo Announcements:

1) G5 Powerbook
2) Windows iTunes
3) iPod Peripherals
4) New 30" Cinema Display
5) Revised 17" & 23" Cinema Displays
6) Panther OX X 10.3
7) New Wireless Keyboard & Mouse

This will be the best announcement!

The catch is the shipping dates of all the products won't be that day... but probably 1 month post Apple Expo.

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post #36 of 279
8/28/03 at 2:32pm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr_Holistic


Paris Expo Announcements:

...
2) Windows iTunes
...

What? So US Windoze users come before the rest of the world's (esp Japan/Europe's) Mac Users?
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post #37 of 279
8/28/03 at 2:47pm
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Originally posted by SonOfSylvanus

What? So US Windoze users come before the rest of the world's (esp Japan/Europe's) Mac Users?

It's a matter of whether it's easier to convince the big 5 labels to commit to a Windows version in the US, or whether it's easier to wade through the dense, tangled thicket of licensing contracts and agreements in force in the various countries that make up Europe.

Neither one is easy, and only one has been promised "by the end of the year" (Windows iTunes) so from that it's not hard to conclude which Apple feels is more likely to appear first.
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post #38 of 279
8/28/03 at 3:42pm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SonOfSylvanus
Quote:
Originally posted by Dr_Holistic


Paris Expo Announcements:

...
2) Windows iTunes
...

What? So US Windoze users come before the rest of the world's (esp Japan/Europe's) Mac Users?

Which will bring in more revinue? Most likely iTMS for Windows will. If we are lucky Apple will anounce iTMS for Europe and Windows (US and Europe) at the same time. that would be best for Apples bottom line.
post #39 of 279
8/28/03 at 7:40pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Dr_Holistic
No question about it... Hold me to my prediction!

Paris Expo Announcements:

1) G5 Powerbook
2) Windows iTunes
3) iPod Peripherals
4) New 30" Cinema Display
5) Revised 17" & 23" Cinema Displays
6) Panther OX X 10.3
7) New Wireless Keyboard & Mouse

This will be the best announcement!

The catch is the shipping dates of all the products won't be that day... but probably 1 month post Apple Expo.

MARK MY WORDS, Junior!

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Hell, let's add the G5 Cube, the 19" iMac, G4 iBooks, 60GB iPods with video playback, OS XI, the rumored tablet, 14" widescreen iBooks and AppleWorks Extreme in there while you're at it.



Jeez...

Have you EVER known of a keynote containing more than, say, THREE fairly major announcements? And it's a good bet that 1-2 of them are of little to no interest to many of us.

And here you are, calling for SEVEN of them? Seven of a fairly popular, much-wanted nature, no less?

Yeah, I'll "mark your words". I'll mark 'em so I can giggle my ass off following the Paris keynote.

You might get TWO of those things. THREE, by some miracle.

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post #40 of 279
8/28/03 at 9:01pm
I totally agree with pscates on this one; we won't see too much from Paris. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but here goes.

I never set my hopes too impossibly high levels, so no G5 PowerBooks

I hadn't thought about it this way before, but Amorph makes a lot of sense saying that an international iTMS will come before a Windows version.

All I'm hoping (praying) for is Panther going gold 'soon' (highly optimistic \), wireless keyboards and mice (I'm not a fan of these, but it's practically confirmed), and some kind of Apple-branded office suite (iWorks? Think Secret said in mid-march that it would be available 'later this year'.

Supposing that Panther takes longer than expected (as if Apple would ever let that happen ), Steve could always intro some speed-bumped PowerBooks?

Just my 2 cents...
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