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post #1 of 15
2/5/03 at 9:36am
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Now IBM is suggesting that it may OEM Opteron chips if the chip is successful...now obviously no one knows how things will play out years down the road...and IBM's roadmap to me looks the best but...wouldn't be interesting if IBM built Opteron based chips and ADDED Altivec to them..makeing them more suitable for Apple's use....also Apple could possibly make a dual 970 or other ultralite based Powerchip along with the Opteron (ie 1 970 and 1 Opteron in the same computer). This would be able to run OS X at full throttle utilizing both processors and run windows at possibly %70 utializing %100 of the Opteron through native code and slightly more power through through 970 through emulation...

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<a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7624" target="_blank">IBM statements on Opteron and link...</a>
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post #2 of 15
2/5/03 at 10:04am
In the full article they referenced, the quote I liked was [quote]"I won't tell you that we haven't had those discussions" to drop Power and go with Itanium, said Robert Amezcua, pSeries vice president at IBM. "We looked hard at the future roadmaps, and we believe strongly that we have the answer in Power technology. The (IBM) xSeries team has an Itanium box, and we are out to make sure Itanium doesn't survive."<hr></blockquote>
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post #3 of 15
2/5/03 at 2:10pm
IBM sells systems of every major CPU. It's really no big deal if they sell Opterons. Most analysts will tell you they expected IBM to be the first large producer to sell them.

As for making chips with AMD I wouldn't think a lot of it. IBM makes chips for a lot of people and AMD just doesn't have the fab capabilities right now.
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post #4 of 15
2/5/03 at 3:52pm
[quote]Originally posted by Telomar:
<strong>IBM sells systems of every major CPU. It's really no big deal if they sell Opterons. Most analysts will tell you they expected IBM to be the first large producer to sell them.

As for making chips with AMD I wouldn't think a lot of it. IBM makes chips for a lot of people and AMD just doesn't have the fab capabilities right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And your thoughts on the statement made by Robert Amezcua, pSeries vice president at IBM, that,"we are out to make sure Itanium doesn't survive."
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post #5 of 15
2/5/03 at 5:48pm
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
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And your thoughts on the statement made by Robert Amezcua, pSeries vice president at IBM, that,"we are out to make sure Itanium doesn't survive."</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't even think it really needed comment. IBM has never been a platform specific company in recent years but of course they'd like to kill off Intel from the server business. They also aren't strong believers in the architecture as a whole. They'd probably like to kill off AMD and Sun too if you asked them about it but right now Intel is number 1 so them first.
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post #6 of 15
2/6/03 at 1:26pm
[quote]Originally posted by Telomar:
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Didn't even think it really needed comment. IBM has never been a platform specific company in recent years but of course they'd like to kill off Intel from the server business. They also aren't strong believers in the architecture as a whole. They'd probably like to kill off AMD and Sun too if you asked them about it but right now Intel is number 1 so them first.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since when does the head of one IBM division speak for the entire company? Do you really think that the xSeries(IA-32 servers) vice-president or the person in charge of the PC divison would like to see Intel killed off?

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post #7 of 15
2/6/03 at 2:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by Telomar:
<strong>They'd probably like to kill off AMD and Sun too if you asked them about it but right now Intel is number 1 so them first.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually the article is about IBM using and/or manufacturing the Opteron from AMD.
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post #8 of 15
2/6/03 at 2:30pm
[quote]Originally posted by Analogue bubblebath:
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Since when does the head of one IBM division speak for the entire company? Do you really think that the xSeries(IA-32 servers) vice-president or the person in charge of the PC divison would like to see Intel killed off?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm soooooo confused. :confused:

The pSeries vice president, Robert Amezcua, did say,"we are out to make sure Itanium doesn't survive.".

I didn't read into it that they want to see Intel killed off, just the Itanium(but I doubt it would hurt IBM's feelings much if Intel did die off). What did I miss from your post, I know I misunderstood something?
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post #9 of 15
2/6/03 at 2:53pm
[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
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Actually the article is about IBM using and/or manufacturing the Opteron from AMD.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And this <a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7641" target="_blank">article</a> is about IBM not expecting AMD to survive. IBM has never really cared in recent years what hardware they sell but they would still prefer the competition dead.
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post #10 of 15
2/6/03 at 3:04pm
[quote]Originally posted by Analogue bubblebath:
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Since when does the head of one IBM division speak for the entire company? Do you really think that the xSeries(IA-32 servers) vice-president or the person in charge of the PC divison would like to see Intel killed off?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

All I was really referring to was IBM wanting Intel out of the 64 bit server market but I wouldn't think for a minute the company as a whole wouldn't love to see Intel die off. IBM really doesn't lose anything if Intel dies since someone would definitely stand up to take their place, Microsoft would make sure of it. Since Sun, IBM and AMD would be the most likely candidates they would stand to gain quite a lot from the downfall of Intel particularly in the 32 bit server market.

Personally I worry if a company doesn't want to kill another company directly competing with them.

[ 02-06-2003: Message edited by: Telomar ]</p>
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post #11 of 15
2/6/03 at 8:32pm
The funniest part isn't that "IBM" is out to crush Intel....

It is that IBM has _all_ the bases covered. PPC970 servers + Itanium servers + Opteron servers -&gt; a division devoted to pushing each of three techs to the limit.

"IBM" the mothercompany doesn't really care which sell best (they'll make money regardless) and they've shot across Intel's bow. If it happens to hit -&gt; peachy. The individual divisions probably do want their competitor divisions to spontaneously combust though
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2/6/03 at 11:20pm
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post #13 of 15
2/7/03 at 12:36am
Anyone who thinks that the 970 is going to have any effect on the "Industry Standard Server" market (xSeries), is deluding themselves.
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post #14 of 15
2/7/03 at 7:04am
Telomar

Thanks for the link. Interesting times, no?

Slight difference between the two comments though.

"...we are out to make sure Itanium doesn't survive."
versus
"...let slip to Fortune that he thinks the rest of the 64bit competition will fall by the wayside."

In any event, IBM wins. Difference is will they just win or win big time.
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post #15 of 15
2/7/03 at 7:16am
[quote]Originally posted by IntlHarvester:
<strong>Anyone who thinks that the 970 is going to have any effect on the "Industry Standard Server" market (xSeries), is deluding themselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

"Power" doesn't mean "970", it means the whole PowerPC architecture - ie the Power4 etc and whatever comes after it. Clearly the 970, as specified, is a desktop chip (even its monicker describes it thus: "Giga-Processor *Ultra Light*").

The IBM VP is saying he wants "Power" to kill Itanium, and anything else it can.

So, no delusion.
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