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post #41 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>Here's a question for anyone that has ordered a Mac online and not been to the store to scope it out first. How many of you these days have dead pixel issues with a new laptop screen when you first open it up? I'm very curious about this because I'm not going to drop over $3000 on a new Power Book only to open it up the first time and see a dead pixel on the screen, or god forbid, more than one. The whole thing terrifies me because that's a lot of cash to waste on a computer that has a screen that is completely unsatisfactory. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I guess it's important to keep dead/stuck pixels in perspective. If you're terrified of them and consider they make the screen completely unsatisfactory, I suggest you don't buy a PowerBook! I shouldn't think any store would open up box after box just to find you one with no dead/stuck pixels at all. I guess it's just the luck of the draw... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
post #42 of 105
Yeah, dead pixels aren't a big deal really -- you only see the dead pixel in certain situations I have one, but it's only visible when there's all black that area, which isn't that often. The LCD is a miraculous technological achievement that hangs in a delicate, yet stable chemical balance. A few stuck pixels shouldn't ruin your experience at all -- remember you're getting a display that will last much, much longer than a CRT and gives you none of their ergonomic drawbacks because an LCD's matrix restabilizes every time you power it on - it loses no integrity. Now, see how trivial a dead pixel is?
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post #43 of 105
I think before you lay down any money you should consider the manufacturers guidelines for what is acceptable as far as dead/stuck pixels.

Also as previously stated you may be hard pressed to find a store that will start tearing open boxes to find one that you find satisfactory.

As far as my personal experience my iBook 700 has no pixel issues whatsoever. Screen is perfect. YMMV.
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post #44 of 105
heres a suggestion that worked for me

i bought a ti800 powerbook with 1gbram from
macwarehouse last year ..$3400 at that time

now i called them up & spoke with the sales guy
directly & mentioned that i wanted them to open
the laptop & turn it on BEFORE it shipped to make
sure it had zero dead pixels
they did that & when i recieved the laptop it was
picture perfect.
& their service was excellent

you have the right to demand a perfect working machine.. $3k is not a small amount & you are paying for a premium product.

charging 15% restocking fee & refusing to acknowledge bad pixels is a poor/shoddy business
practice & should not be tolerated by any consumer
regardless of the manufacturer
post #45 of 105
RodUK, I have to disagree with you in regard to them not opening up the box and checking for dead pixels. We do the very same thing in a manner of speaking before we buy a new car. Would you buy a car that one cylinder never worked in and no matter how much you wanted to repair it you could do nothing? Truth is, it's our right as a consumer to check these things before we make such a purchase which is why I have such a hard time purchasing online. When you drive a new vehicle off the lot you expect NOTHING to be wrong with it. Same goes with a laptop LCD screen. I'm not interested in what a manufacturer sees as acceptable in regard to dead pixels and I'm happy to see that there aren't that many horror stories on here yet. The truth is, it's my $3000 and Apple wants it. If they want the cash, I want a perfect laptop. I also like madmax559's idea about calling macwarehouse and having them scope it for dead pixels before shipping. Then it comes down to an integrity issue. Are the technicians actually going to be honest. I know I would, but there are a lot of dishonest people out there. I have a feeling that I'll just have to make the 8 hour drive to Mall of America and walk into the store and see them myself before I purchase one. I'm not buying a car with a bent frame and I'm not buying a laptop that has dead pixels. The manufacturers ought to take more pride in their work than to even send a screen that is flawed. Of course if people feel that one or two bad pixels is ok, then that's their choice. I know when I bought my iBook at CompUSA they opened the box and let me turn it on before I laid down the cash. Mine had zero dead pixels. The way it ought to be. But thanks to those that replied. Sorry to hear about your dead pixel issues. Hopefully you'll have better luck in the future. Any news on the backlit keyboards on the 15.4?
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post #46 of 105
i did also mention to the sales guy if 1 pixel
was out of whack the purchase would be returned
..all i would have to do is file a dispute with
my credit card company.
& no i wouldnt pay the 15% restocking either.

now most online resellers will be honest about
this simply beacuse they have a rep to uphold
& in this economy they need the business...
post #47 of 105
madmax559, once again I thank you for your assistance in this matter. I'm personally waiting for the 15.4 to come out and I'm hoping it'll have a backlit keyboard as I'm often in situations (flights) where this would be extremely valuable. Thanks alot for the idea about macwarehouse.
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post #48 of 105
WOOO HOOOOO. Well, apparantly we will soon get all we hoped for in a 15.4 inch Powerbook.
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post #49 of 105
filmmaker2002, if your source you linked to is correct on the specs, it's everything I'm looking for. Thanks a lot.
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post #50 of 105
Same here!!! I gotta sell my loaded 667 VGA TiBook now. The Journalism department at my university was eyeing my powerbook, so maybe I can sell it to them for top dollar seeing as they have enough money to go around...bluetooth, Airport Extreme, and backlit keyboard HERE I COME...too bad it doesnt have a Radeon 9000 card in it though.
post #51 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by filmmaker2002:
<strong>Same here!!! I gotta sell my loaded 667 VGA TiBook now. The Journalism department at my university was eyeing my powerbook, so maybe I can sell it to them for top dollar seeing as they have enough money to go around...bluetooth, Airport Extreme, and backlit keyboard HERE I COME...too bad it doesnt have a Radeon 9000 card in it though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I seem to agree, but is it that much of a difference between the Radion 9000 and the NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go ? Does anyone know more about this ?
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post #52 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>RodUK, I have to disagree with you in regard to them not opening up the box and checking for dead pixels. We do the very same thing in a manner of speaking before we buy a new car. Would you buy a car that one cylinder never worked in and no matter how much you wanted to repair it you could do nothing? </strong><hr></blockquote>

I guess I'd equate a dead pixel to a small blemish in the windscreen or a tiny tear in the upholstery rather than a faulty cylinder. The former makes no difference when going from A to B, the latter does. Anyway, I wish you all the best if you do decide to go with the new 15.4 inch PowerBook. Hopefully Apple won't keep you waiting too long.

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post #53 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by BigBlue:
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I seem to agree, but is it that much of a difference between the Radion 9000 and the NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go ? Does anyone know more about this ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

With the M9000, you will see up to a 25% increase in framerates in current games from the 440.

However, the concern is that the 440 does not have vertex or pixel shaders and it only has 2 texture units (it's really just a misleadingly named Geforce2 part), while the M9000 has 6 texture units and programmable shaders. In non-geek talk, this means the M9000 will run future games that utilize these features (e.g. Doom 3 and its engine derivatives) whereas the 440 either won't, or will only if you turn off graphics options. Which means the current TiBook will be able to run Doom 3 with all graphics options on (albeit at 30 fps or less) while the Albooks with Nvidia 4xx Go processors will be stuck running a less pretty and possibly slower version.

I understand why Apple went with Nvidia's offerings in the new Albooks: they're cheaper, they offer comparable performance in today's games, and since the bottleneck in many cases will be CPU/bus performance, it makes the choice between the two a moot point - c'mon, we're talking about laptops here (and especially if you don't care about games).

Apple has bet on Nvidia and their "the way it's meant to be played" branding, but anyone following Nvidia's current woes may be wondering if we're watching a rerun of the 3dfx story: delayed introduction of their next generation chipset (Geforce FX) which has issues requiring a SECOND card bay just to cool it (the 3dfx card required its own power supply), meanwhile ATI is waiting in the wings with its next generation chip which will presumably smoke the Geforce FX, etc, etc, etc.

No way we're seeing a mobile Geforce FX soon, and the true mobile Geforce4 part, the 4200 Go, is a desktop part with no thought toward power management, so it sucks juice like a hungry baby. I hope Apple comes to its senses and backs the right horse again in ATI.
post #54 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by Jazzbozo:
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Apple has bet on Nvidia and their "the way it's meant to be played" branding, but anyone following Nvidia's current woes may be wondering if we're watching a rerun of the 3dfx story: delayed introduction of their next generation chipset (Geforce FX) which has issues requiring a SECOND card bay just to cool it (the 3dfx card required its own power supply)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, nVIDIA did 3dfx one better: The GeForce FX requires the neighboring PCI slot and external power (it draws over 70W!). And it's so loud that even the performance mavens at Tom's Hardware considered the noise a deal-breaker.

I don't understand why Apple went with the nVIDIA parts either, given the RADEON 9000 Mobility. I did notice, however, that the graphics chipsets in the new PowerBooks are on daughtercards, so Apple are clearly hedging their bets: They can keep an ATi-compatible daughtercard and an nVIDIA-compatible daughtercard around and swap them as appropriate. They could even theoretically offer different graphics options as BTO.

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post #55 of 105
daughtercards are the way to go, IMHO. NOT because anyone could/wopuld/should try to get aftermarket bits, but because it would allow Apple to more quickly update their offerings and/or switch suppliers if/when issues arise, "We like to have choices."

Reading some performance reviews it would appear that the GF4 440go is not really inferior to the r9000 when it comes to OpenGL. Even the 420go in the PB12 makes a good accounting of itself compared to the Ti867 (32MB R9000).
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post #56 of 105
Sorry to break the flow, but I just wanted to return to the stuck pixel thing again.

First, have a look at <a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22194" target="_blank">this Knowledge Base article</a>: Apple accepts that LCDs aren't perfect, and in fact there's an industry standard for an acceptable number of stuck pixels:

[quote] 15 total dot defects or 10 stuck full pixels

10 stuck red sub-pixels

4 stuck green sub-pixels (green is most visible)

10 stuck blue sub-pixels

No more than two "adjacent" pixels may be stuck "Adjacent" isÂ*defined as less than 2.5mm edge to edge

No more than two pairs of two-adjacent stuck pixels per display

To locate defective pixels, the unit should be viewed under normal operating conditions and in normal operating mode at a supported resolution and refresh rate, from a distance of approximately 50cm (16 in.). <hr></blockquote>

It's a limitation of the technology, I'm afraid, and I know of one UK retailer that explicity states on their receipts something to the effect that a certain number of stuckies is not considered a defect.

Out of roughly 800 thousand pixels (on a 1024x768 display), 2 dead ones isn't bad: I can think of engineering applications with tolerances whole order of magnitude greater.
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post #57 of 105
Plenty of the better LCD brands will reject a display that has two or more stuck pixels. Formac and other's do, no other conditions. Given that Apple machines are quite expensive, they ought to have better QA on their LCD's. 10 defective pixels is just way too much, more than 2, anywhere on the display, ought to be enough for Apple to offer a repair/replacement.
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post #58 of 105
Isn't that Knowledge Base article just plain creepy? I think it's great when manufacturers see that people want a product without defects and simply refuse to allow what I term to be "bad screens" into their computers in the first place. It's like going and buying an apple (the fruit, not the computer, lol) and you pick up the first one and in has a bruise you can see. You put it down. You pick up another one and it has three bruises. You put it back down. You automatically look for the ones in the best shape. The ones without bruises at all. That's the way I think it ought to be with the LCD's. I do understand what you're saying about the huge amount of pixels and therefore it stands to reason that one or two could be messed up. But that article said 15! Are those people smoking crack? There's no way any self respecting Apple owner would walk out of a store knowing in advance that 14 pixels would never work and according to Apple, they are cool with that. I have to be honest here and say that I'm not the type to tolerate 1 bad pixel, let alone 14. I think Apple time and time again sets the standard for every other computer manufacturer to follow. Apple is the one company people wonder what they will come out with next. Apple ought to take more pride in itself than allowing such blemishes to be allowed on the manufacturing line at all. Let Dell have them. Send them over to HP. As for Apple, being the leader in design means you act like it. But to be honest, there are only a few people who claim to have issues at all with their pixels, so perhaps there's only a very small percentage that actually do slip through the cracks of a quality control program. Anyone know of stats that tally the amount of bad screens manufacturers use? Just curious.

On another note, where can stats on the different video cards in Power Books be found with credible critiques? Thank you all for your help and I hope you all are able to hold Power Books of your own in the near future - if you don't already!
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post #59 of 105
By the way, I found this sight which used Win-blows computers, but had the two cards that Apple also uses in the Power Books. Hopefully this info will help you all out...provided that you were actually looking for it.

<a href="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,492867,00.asp" target="_blank">http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,492867,00.asp</a>
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post #60 of 105
All I know about displays, bad pixels and DELL is that DELL came in here once and replaced a 17" with ONE, just ONE, and only ONE dead pixel on it. I can just imagine the attitude Apple would give you if you called them up to rightly complain about a defective display.
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post #61 of 105
The powerbook 15" would make sense to be the fastest in the portable line, for 1 reason:
The 17" and 12" models have their unique sizes selling them, so the 15" has to have something other than compactness/LCD size, respectively, selling it. The 15-incher will have to come out of the shadows of Lapzilla and Minibook by introducing some big new feature, like an ATA 100
drive, or dual processors,say. Otherwise, It will seem to normal. Wouln't dual G4's be nice?
post #62 of 105
my goodness, dual g4's would be sweet in a laptop, and I agree about the 15 needing something distinctive...

i think it should be the 'flagship' of all the powerbooks.

also, i really want one.
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post #63 of 105
40 gig iPods aren't that unrealistic especailly with Firewire 800....its to bad firewire800 isn't backwards compatible with firewire 400...if it was, then thehy could realise a 40 gig iPod right now, but I think they are going to wait until firewire 800 is adopted more in the mac community, that could be a while too, because only a handful of their computers offer it. but soon companies will start making firewire 800 pci cards and firewire 800 hard drive and cd-rws.

a 40 gig iPod with a built in mic...or a mic input and recording capabilities would be pretty cool.
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post #64 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by fred_lj:
<strong>...remember you're getting a display that will last much, much longer than a CRT</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've got a Wall Street PowerBook in which the display is absolutely f*cked, for no apparent reason - it's got next to no contrast and the colour is all over the place.

If I bought an LCD with a dead pixel I'd send it back, it's a fault, no question about it. Although people go on about it being acceptable to have a few dead pixels, it actually seems to be very rare to get any, I've only seen one or two instances.
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post #65 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by Overhope:
<strong>Sorry to break the flow, but I just wanted to return to the stuck pixel thing again.

...

Out of roughly 800 thousand pixels (on a 1024x768 display), 2 dead ones isn't bad: I can think of engineering applications with tolerances whole order of magnitude greater.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.

I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.
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post #66 of 105
About dual G4's in a laptop- it wouldn't be that hard to do. Just up the thickness to 1.5 inches, and it would be completely feasible. Not to mention the fact that most PC laptops are
2 inches plus
post #67 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by RodUK:
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I guess I'd equate a dead pixel to a small blemish in the windscreen or a tiny tear in the upholstery rather than a faulty cylinder. The former makes no difference when going from A to B, the latter does. Anyway, I wish you all the best if you do decide to go with the new 15.4 inch PowerBook. Hopefully Apple won't keep you waiting too long.

[ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: RodUK ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?

I jsut bought the 23" HD and it has 2 dead pixles, 1 red and 1 green so I see them mostly all the time. I got it yesterday, the manager said I could bring it back (I got the replacement policy). So I'm going back today to get, another one. Funny thing is is the Apple rep said he'd take one out and turn it on to verify dead pixels, but when I wnet back to buy it, he wasnt there.
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post #68 of 105
Okay, I think we've pounded the dead pixel issue into the ground...majority rules. Dead pixel LCD's won't get purchased by self respecting Apple users. Now onto the question regarding the dual CPU issue. Several questions stem from such contemplation. First off cooling issues. Apple has to design a state of the art cooling system never before employed, or they had better find a way to shield the bottom of the laptop from heat so people's legs don't bake. Blisters are never a good thing. Secondly, if there were two processors there starts to be issues regarding thickness, and the guts of a laptop. Either components need to shrink more, or the overall laptop gets thicker. Here's the question. What is the actual dimensions of a 970 as opposed to a G4? Perhaps the 970 is smaller. Does anyone know? If it's smaller, this allows two to be fitted in less space. Also has anyone given the thought to a change in "typical" battery design? Perhaps the batteries will be thinner (afterall, look at the iPod battery). If the battery can be thinner, then there's more room above it to place components. Even if the battery ends up being wider than it is now, I think they could be creative in this area and get more room in the existing demensions for a second CPU. I know this is all speculation, but if I'm thinking about it, then the brilliant people at Apple have also thought about it. Who knows anything more about a release date?
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post #69 of 105
I know the 970's supposed to be wonderful paired with another or even three other procs, but I just don't see Apple doing that with laptops. UNLESS, that is, that feature would set the 17" apart from the other powerbook offerings once the new 15" AlBooks appear (which most people will get, but having a dual proc. 17" book would appeal to graphics/publishing/movie/3d people greatly). That's the only way I could see dual CPUs as a viable option, as a method of differentiation between offerings. Those would have to be majorly low-powered procs, though -- a graphics guy isn't going to want the constant hum of a fan.
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post #70 of 105
I've been doing some research using PDF's from both IBM and Motorola provided on their websites. The information is staggaring. The 970 really blows the G4 away in Dhrystone tests. Rather than post the information twice, go scope out the test results I got for all of us in the other string "Is Apple Making Way For The 970?" Judging from what I've seen in the numbers, Apple would really be making a bad choice to use a G4 in their late summer Power Book. There isn't a heat issue, there isn't a size issue, and there won't be an availability issue then. What's to stop Apple from "Switching" over to 970? Certainly not loyalty to Motorola! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

If I had already bought the car home and was otherwise happy with it, I wouldn't waste any time out of my life returning it because of a small nick in the upholstery.

People seem to think when they buy an Apple display, they are buying an object of absolute perfection, rather than a computer monitor. Dead pixels are a known issue with LCDs and Apple clearly state what they consider the acceptable level to be. If you're not happy with Apple's own level of acceptance, why not look elsewhere or don't buy at all?

Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.

[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>Okay, I think we've pounded the dead pixel issue into the ground...majority rules. Dead pixel LCD's won't get purchased by self respecting Apple users. </strong><hr></blockquote>

A dead pixel or two doesn't bother me precisely because I am self respecting and consider there to be more important things in life. As a USAF firefighter, I'd have thought you would know that more than most. If the thought of buying a PowerBook with dead pixels 'terrifies' you, what does the thought of attending an aircraft crash with dead people do?

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RodUK, I thank you for taking such a particular interest in my career field. I have had several opportunities in my career to work with various fire brigades from England and I have to say it was a great experience, and I'd be happy to work with them again if given the chance. But it seems that when you work in a career field like mine, you learn very quickly that you only have one time to get things right...a lesson learned by several of my close friends over the course of the years that has resulted in the loss of their lives. I know everytime I jump on the fire truck (I'm first run crew chief here) that this could be my last time as well. I am faced with car crashes, heart attacks, house fires (everyone check and make sure their smoke detectors work by the way ) and even emergencies involving aircraft (I've even had the pleasure of responding to more than one British Tornado in-flight emergency). So what does all of this say about me? It says that if I screw up, it's either someone else's life, or my own that ends. Game over, there are no do-overs. So I expect other people to take the same approach to their jobs, not that they do. I see dead pixels as an entire lack of self respect by the manufacturers, and I don't care what Apple claims to be acceptable in regard to dead pixels. I bought this iBook only after I fired it up in the store (CompUSA) and verified that there were no dead pixels. If you buy one and you have a few and you're happy with that, then honestly, I'm happy you got something you can work with and be happy with. Sincerely. However, I am not someone who will spend my money on something with obvious defects. This is just a matter of opinion, everyone is entitled to their own. Some are more flexible with their standards than others (just look at how many people buy Wintels). When I do buy a 15.4, I will do the same thing. I'll have them open it up and I'll verify that no dead pixels exist. If there are, I won't buy it. I'll ask to see another one. If they won't, I walk out the door. Plain and simple. Luckily I have not had a problem with CompUSA in regard to pre-inspection. As for stores in England, I'm not sure how their policies work because I never tried buying a computer there. I did smile when I saw what we call "Frosted Flakes" are called "Frosties" over there. Anyway, RodUK, I never back away from my job, and I'm faced with life or death decisions all too often. I'd hope you'd respect that, as well as my position on the dead pixel issue. God Bless America & Good Save The Queen.
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Brian, I do truly respect the work done by the fire service the world over, especially in the US since 9-11 and in the UK since the current pay dispute. I do think you're perhaps expecting too much though in terms of LCD manufacturers living up to your own very high standards. Anyway, yes, I have checked my smoke detector, and yes, I did have Kelloggs Frosties for breakfast

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A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.

I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure the very high standards required in some engineering fields can be applied uniformly across the board. LCDs used to be very expensive due to wastage, in part because a significant number of panels produced would contain a large number of defective pixels and be discarded. Prices are starting to come down, and I think the only way for them to come down further is if people continue to accept one or two minor defects. I'm sure Apple could guarantee displays with no dead pixels at all, but the cost of them would be many times what it is today.
post #74 of 105
[quote]People seem to think when they buy an Apple display, they are buying an object of absolute perfection, rather than a computer monitor. Dead pixels are a known issue with LCDs and Apple clearly state what they consider the acceptable level to be. If you're not happy with Apple's own level of acceptance, why not look elsewhere or don't buy at all? <hr></blockquote>

Apple *should* try and make the screens as perfect as possible. My PowerBook G4 has one stuck (I think it is stuck) red pixel up near the top right center of my screen. I don't really have a problem with it considering that deal I got on this machine. But I think I'd be more disappointed if I had spent $3000 on it.

Apple should be trying to set it's products apart from their competition. They put such a focus on how beautiful their machines look. Jobs is always throwing out words such as 'gorgeous', 'stunning' and 'perfect' in describing Apple's machines. But the people that buy the products are supposed to ignore the dead pixels sitting in the middle of their screen?

[quote]Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.<hr></blockquote>

Okay, so no one is perfect. But does that mean we cannot demand perfection for our computers and displays? We need a little taste of perfection in our lives once in a while.
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To that guy that was bitching about 2 dead pixels in his brand-new kickass Cinema HD- Thats 2 out of, what, 2.3 million pixels that are alive and well? And unless you focus on seeing the dead 'uns, they won't interfere with your work anyway.
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Back to the 15.4" Powerbook... Who honestly thinks that it will include the backlit keyboard of the 17" model? I do, becuse I feel that the 15" PB should remain the flagship portable, for one reason: The 12 and 17 inchers are being sold by their portability and novel "first in a portable" screens, respectively. The 15 incher needs something to make it stand out to professionals. May I say maybe an ATA 100, 7200 rpm drive? or maybe a DP model? Hope springs eternal.
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Apple supposedly came out with this banner to use at some retailers calling the PowerBook 17, 15, 12 and iBook the "Fab Four." If they just came out with such a banner, do you really think they'd update it soon?
EDIT: Of course, I'm sure that they could easily replace the TiBook with another picture, but that would be a short life for a banner don't you think?

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That is wierd. The fab four? The 15" that is fully in the photo seems to be the old Titanium. Are you sure the bottom one is the iBook? But on second thought, why in hell would they sell both the Titanium and Aliminum laptops, in the same size? Besides, that image looks kinda sorta Photoshopped. Where did you get this image? It doesn't seem logical that Apple would advertize the iBook 14" and 12" as one unit, but advertise the Powerbooks as 3 units. If they were going to advertise all the Apple portables on one banner, they should call it " the fab five". It seems more like Apple to advertise the iBooks and the Pbooks seperately. Save the image to disk, open it in preview, rotate it, and zoom in and look carefully at the "fab four" text. Something about the text looks wrong, like it was just pasted, either digitally or manually. Then look around the edges of each text-segment and image. Something is fishy. It looks like someone rolled out a piece of paper, got it on his digital camera, and then imported the text and photos, probably using standard fare off Apple's website. I might be wrong, but it is definately suspicious looking. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

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[quote]Originally posted by os10geek:
<strong>Besides, that image looks kinda sorta Photoshopped.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope. Saw one just yesterday hanging in my local Mac shop. It's legit.
It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think.
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