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post #1 of 31
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Just got an update from Macconection on my Standard Dual G5 that was ordered 6/23/03 over 2 months ago- 69 days ago and was told at the time it would ship mid Aug, probably sooner since i ordered early!
I was told a soon as last week it would ship 8/29 and apples official announcement last week was that Dual G5's were on schedule to ship on time.
My date now is that Macconection will not get them until 9/29 a full 96 days after I ordered.
Unacceptable in todays computer world for hardware.
If i was buying this to play games or play on the internet i could deal with it but this is a business purchase where speed is money and apple has been far behind for so long I can't remember.
post #2 of 31
I guess that you haven't been online the last week?
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post #3 of 31
Damn Apple for not being able to predict the future EXACTLY. Damn them all to hell.

Its not like its a new chip, in a new factory, with a new manuf. process,, with a overwhelming demand for one model out of of three, and new units getting sucked up by a certain east coast university or something...
post #4 of 31
They should have given more conservative dates, so if they happened to ship early, that would be a pleasant surprise.
post #5 of 31
Yup, I think I watched one Star Trek, and learnt a good lesson from Scotty, always say somethings going to take a lot longer then it really will, then people think you are amazing when you do it earlier!

Apple should have said that G5's would be out in October, then people would be pleasantly surprised to get them in september

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post #6 of 31
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Apple should announce the product when it is ready to ship!
Not MONTHS before they have a clue when it will ship. Allowing the university to jump ahead in the que is lame also.
post #7 of 31
Any one else notice that estimated ship times on a new BTO 2 Ghz G5 on the online apple store is 10-15 days???
post #8 of 31
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Originally posted by zoozx27
Apple should announce the product when it is ready to ship!
Not MONTHS before they have a clue when it will ship. Allowing the university to jump ahead in the que is lame also.

I'd have to agree. Preannouncing might help beat leaks, but Apple is taking it a bit too far. Also, don't they ALWAYS have this problem with high end models? Seems they could have foreseen some delay more than they did, as they have yet to give any specific reasons for the delay..
post #9 of 31
hey, i am still waiting on my build-to-order dual G4, for cryin' out loud, and i am pretty sure they have those just lying around (propping open doors, drying hands in the company restrooms, etc.).
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post #10 of 31
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Originally posted by zoozx27
Apple should announce the product when it is ready to ship!

And then you'll have a gazillion threads where people who just bought a G4 would be complaing, and you'll have 0 G5 ready apps plus a longer period before you'll see optimized apps.

Counting the days from the day you order till the day you get it is laughable when you at the time of order know that it will be out around 60 days later at the earliest.
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post #11 of 31
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Originally posted by craig12co
as they have yet to give any specific reasons for the delay..

They are bumping edu orders.
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post #12 of 31
Out of the many threads on this topic, I been waiting for someone to say it but it looks like it is up to me. APPLE LIED!!

That they bumped edu orders up is now undeniable. They are admitting as much. By doing so, they have utterly defeated the purpose of pre-ordering. The truly sleazy part is that they came out just a few days ago and announced that everything was on schedule when it was clearly not. This is not about foreseeing the future. This is about telling the truth. They made the now shipping the key feature of their front page and announced that all orders were shipping on time to purposely deceive the customers who were waiting. They didn't want to admit that they had bumped orders so they covered it up with a huge deception campaign. They did not admit the truth until the last minute. They should have been honest sooner. Instead of sending people to the media to lie about shipping that they knew was not taking place, they should have warned of the delays. This is why people are upset. I can't believe that there are still so many people who are defending Apple's behavior in this matter and pretending that this was just some unforeseen consequence of pre-order. In case you still don't get it, Apple lied to cover up bad behavior, it is as simple as that. They probably also were trying to keep people from canceling all those pre-orders. Some of you people are targeting the victims of these lies as opposed to the perpetrators. The "Apple can do no wrong" crowd seems to really be out in force.
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post #13 of 31
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Originally posted by Mac Voyer
Out of the many threads on this topic, I been waiting for someone to say it but it looks like it is up to me. APPLE LIED!!

That they bumped edu orders up is now undeniable. They are admitting as much. By doing so, they have utterly defeated the purpose of pre-ordering. The truly sleazy part is that they came out just a few days ago and announced that everything was on schedule when it was clearly not. This is not about foreseeing the future. This is about telling the truth. They made the now shipping the key feature of their front page and announced that all orders were shipping on time to purposely deceive the customers who were waiting. They didn't want to admit that they had bumped orders so they covered it up with a huge deception campaign. They did not admit the truth until the last minute. They should have been honest sooner. Instead of sending people to the media to lie about shipping that they knew was not taking place, they should have warned of the delays. This is why people are upset. I can't believe that there are still so many people who are defending Apple's behavior in this matter and pretending that this was just some unforeseen consequence of pre-order. In case you still don't get it, Apple lied to cover up bad behavior, it is as simple as that. They probably also were trying to keep people from canceling all those pre-orders. Some of you people are targeting the victims of these lies as opposed to the perpetrators. The "Apple can do no wrong" crowd seems to really be out in force.

I agree!
Apple is not able to produce what they announced and they put themselves in a hole so they screw customers to clean up their own mess and cover thier butts by pushing educational orders out first.
Reprehensible!
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Originally posted by rok
...and i am pretty sure they have those [G4s] just lying around (propping open doors, drying hands in the company restrooms, etc.).

post #15 of 31
While everyone is having a rant I will add one of my own.

Not only do we have to wait 3-4 months for our machines (all 5 of them) we pay FULL price for this stuff, while the educational institutions get them for half price.

Dobby.
post #16 of 31
Let's think about it honestly.

You have order from customers who are for the most part already Mac users who will be pissed but will wait because they don't want to be anti-switchers.

You have schools who could go the other way if they want. It helps Apple to increase their Education presence because people will use what schools use and the school using them alone gives money.

You are secondary because you will wait.
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post #17 of 31
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Let's think about it honestly.

You have order from customers who are for the most part already Mac users who will be pissed but will wait because they don't want to be anti-switchers.

You have schools who could go the other way if they want. It helps Apple to increase their Education presence because people will use what schools use and the school using them alone gives money.

You are secondary because you will wait.

That doesn't make it right!
That's one of the big problems with the world today, businesses don't care about being just or doing what is right, they only care about profits and how to make more money. AKA the decision by apple to bump early buyers.
post #18 of 31
Capitalism...the way it works.


Apple should sell pre-orders with a stack instead of a que...that way people will wait to order till they come out and even wait a little more so they aren't at the bottom.


Problem is they won't be afraid to 'pop' you
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Originally posted by revs
Yup, I think I watched one Star Trek, and learnt a good lesson from Scotty, always say somethings going to take a lot longer then it really will, then people think you are amazing when you do it earlier!

Apple should have said that G5's would be out in October, then people would be pleasantly surprised to get them in september

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post #20 of 31
My friend once bought a new Dell that was suppost to be in stock already from the Dell website and he finally got it 6 months later... of course dell said it was suppost to ship a week later... not 6 months
post #21 of 31
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Originally posted by dobby
While everyone is having a rant I will add one of my own.

Not only do we have to wait 3-4 months for our machines (all 5 of them) we pay FULL price for this stuff, while the educational institutions get them for half price.

Dobby.

um, which educational discounts are you looking at? apple's discounts usually range from 5-15% tops.

and by the way, does anyone notice that to order from the educational apple store, you only have to agree that you are a student, faculty or staff member at the school you claim to attend? seriously. that's it. you don't even have to fax a copy of your academic i.d. or anything. we just clicked on "i agree." luckily, my wife is a professor, so i can feel like i am not totally breaking the rules, but for others, well...
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post #22 of 31
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Originally posted by zoozx27

My date now is that Macconection will not get them until 9/29 a full 96 days after I ordered.

This is as misleading as Apple's original ship date. You ordered your computer knowing full well that it was not a shipping unit. The most you can blame Apple for is a 1 month delay not 3 months! Sorry your computer is dealyed a month, but these things happen when your ordering brand new stuff. Next time don't order until the items are being made and stocked on shelves.
post #23 of 31
did you all recognize that the rumor about an G5-based supercomputer is indeed true?
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post #24 of 31
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Originally posted by zoozx27
Apple should announce the product when it is ready to ship!
Not MONTHS before they have a clue when it will ship. Allowing the university to jump ahead in the que is lame also.

Again I must disagree. If anything, most people complain that Apple is too tight-lipped about furture products. In this case Apple had to announce when they did because of the WWDC. Remember they already pushed the conference back 1 month. Before WWDC, many people were ranting on Apple to pre-aanounce the G5 just to stop the loss of professionals going to Wintel because of Apple's poor offereings. Here we are now and we have people complaining that Apple shouldn't say anything until a pile of black boxes are on the shelf. Most businesses announce their products ahead of time to some degree or another. For Apple to build its computers with new chips they have to tell 3rd party vendors about them. As someone else pointed out above, if you wait to tell the world about the G5 until its shipping then you'll have to wait two more months to get the software and hardware to run on it.
post #25 of 31
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Originally posted by Krassy
did you all recognize that the rumor about an G5-based supercomputer is indeed true?

Its true, but in the context of this thread it doesn't make much difference. 1100 units should only be a few days worth of product. It should not be the only reason for a 1 month delay.
post #26 of 31
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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Its true, but in the context of this thread it doesn't make much difference. 1100 units should only be a few days worth of product. It should not be the only reason for a 1 month delay.

so what if there are different other projects in other universities which relay on getting the g5 early? ... it seems plausible for me to send the macs to that places first ... they have to decide what to do with the machines which - as we can see - aren't available in adequate quantity... what would you do?
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post #27 of 31
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Originally posted by Krassy
so what if there are different other projects in other universities which relay on getting the g5 early? ... it seems plausible for me to send the macs to that places first ... they have to decide what to do with the machines which - as we can see - aren't available in adequate quantity... what would you do?

I'm not complaining about Apple giving Edu first crack at the new machines. I'm just stating, in regards to the other person's comments in this thread, that this one order is not reason for the delay. It just not that big. If they had 50 orders from Edu at this size then t would explain a 1 month delay.
post #28 of 31
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Originally posted by Skippy
Any one else notice that estimated ship times on a new BTO 2 Ghz G5 on the online apple store is 10-15 days???

Hey! What's up with that?!
Maybe we should all cancel our preorders and then reorder!
post #29 of 31
Apple has already shipped 25,000 1.6's and 1.8's I read this on some site, not sure which one. I wonder how many preorders were for the dual? I saw on another site that they got 100,000 preorders but the site did not give the break down. If they have already of 25k out then things are looking good over the next few weeks.

How many sites are building them I wonder? Anyone know Ireland is one of them from what I have read. Other might be Elk Grove.
post #30 of 31
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Originally posted by Elderloc
Apple has already shipped 25,000 1.6's and 1.8's I read this on some site, not sure which one.

CNET has an article which quotes these numbers.
post #31 of 31
I dont want to sound like an Apple apologist, but here goes. EDU orders are probably a big chunck of change for Apple right about now with EVERY school starting up. Kids actually need to have their computers to be able to "function" now days. If youre a university being courted by EVERY manufacturer out there for their product and the one you choose this year screws you and your students who are you going to go with next year??? Do you know how many peopel are going to be writing their deans,IT head and such for not having their comouters available and possibly getting poor grades on their first few assignments? In that respect I can understand Apple making sure the edu units get delivered first. Each year thousands of kids start schol and buy computers. Would you risk all that cash, not only this year, but also next year and the year after that...? I wouldnt. Atleast not for the sake of the guy who will buy one computer every 2-3 years.

With all that stated, Apple should have come clean early in the game and notified everyone that their orders will be delayed and possibly offered an incentive for early order holders left in the dark. Something simple and small like overnight shipping would have been nice.

On a different note, we do this to ourselves to some degree. We jump on the bandwagon and order a mythical product that hasnt been massproduced yet with the expectation that everything will go smooth. If people would not place pre-orders as willingly as they do now Apple would have to come up with a different plan.
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