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post #81 of 160
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Originally posted by Giaguara
1. print less documents. make them more clear, so e.g. and english speaker understands whats in the form.
why dont most countries save equally? when english is not official language, papers in english are provided. quit the cortesy ...
3. americans go everywhere and shop everywhere, and most whites don't want to learn new languages unless "civil ones" such as for opera or mode.
4. study the history. italians spoke italian, chinese chinese, mexicans spanish when california was mexico .. us has been pluricultural, never white anglo-british. for language, races, religions, cultures. chinese - italo - greek etc americans did not start to exist 20 y ago.
5. how many emigrants that came to usa 50 or 100 y ago spoke any english???

1. hard to print less documents if they are in every language. Thats one reason for english-only.
3. Americans travel, yes, but so do other nations. You dont have to be multilingual to go on vacation. And what about black americans? And not all second generation latin-americans or asian-americans speak anything other than english.
4. Thats right, the US has always been multi-cultural. Immigrants have always known they would need to learn english when they got here.
5. Not many-they learned after they got here, which is the way it should remain............................................ .
post #82 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
In UK the official language is English. It would not be better to speak only english, like I said it would be better to speak english plus anything else..............................

England, however, wasn't settled by immigrants. It was settled by conquering hordes of, alternately, Romans, Vikings, and French.

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post #83 of 160
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what exactly you think it will accomplish, steve
post #84 of 160
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Originally posted by giant
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what exactly you think it will accomplish, steve

I listed all the reasons, bro. Many nationalities, one common language. ...............................
post #85 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
I listed all the reasons, bro. Many nationalities, one common language. ...............................

That's not a reason.

Really, the only impact an 'official' government language would have would be on the government published ephemera you keep talking about. I fail to see how that could justify a campaign to make the change. I also still fail to see what good that would do.
post #86 of 160
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Originally posted by giant
That's not a reason.

Really, the only impact an 'official' government language would have would be on the government published ephemera you keep talking about. I fail to see how that could justify a campaign to make the change. I also still fail to see what good that would do.

Its a great reason. It shouldnt even be an issue. You move to a country, you learn to speak the language of that country. It was always insinuated that english is the language of the US, unfortunately because of some strange political mumbo jumbo it has become an issue.

Move to the US, speak English. Don't expect anything less.............
post #87 of 160
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. All an 'official' language means is that it is the language of government operation. As I pointed out, the only thing your proposal would affect is government published ephemera. So again, what good does this do and how does it justify the process needed to make the change?
post #88 of 160
Just to add, it is argued that citizen knowledge of foreign language is crucial for overall national security and that the US is sorely lacking in this area. In fact, this issue received special prominence following the WTC attacks because shortage of arab speaking analysts was said to be a factor in intel lapses. As such, the money spent in language and multilingual education is seen to be a matter of importance.

So I ask, what good does it do to make English the offical language of the US government and how does it justify the process needed to make the change?
post #89 of 160
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Originally posted by giant
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. All an 'official' language means is that it is the language of government operation. As I pointed out, the only thing your proposal would affect is government published ephemera. So again, what good does this do and how does it justify the process needed to make the change?

it forces people to learn to speak english. If they want to vote, take a drivers license test they would have to know english. Right now its too easy to avoid it....................
post #90 of 160
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Originally posted by giant
Just to add, it is argued that citizen knowledge of foreign language is crucial for overall national security and that the US is sorely lacking in this area. In fact, this issue received special prominence following the WTC attacks because shortage of arab speaking analysts was said to be a factor in intel lapses. As such, the money spent in language and multilingual education is seen to be a matter of importance.

So I ask, what good does it do to make English the offical language of the US government and how does it justify the process needed to make the change?

Once again, I have never said that English should be the only language any American ever knows, but that every American should understand English-there is a difference.

I took spanish from jr. high on, and i think it would have been better to start in elementary school because its easier to learn another language the earlier you start. I am not talking about bi-lingual education which is a disaster, but a language course in addition to other studies such as math and science etc which would be in English of course........................
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One thing we can say with certainty: Language diversity has always been with us. As early as 1664, when the island of Manhattan was ceded from the Dutch to the British, 18 different tongues were spoken there, not counting any of the hundreds of Native American languages spoken in North America at the time. In the 1790 census, German Americans accounted for 8.6 percent of the population a proportion comparable to that of Hispanic Americans, 9.0 percent, exactly two centuries later. Certainly, there are more languages spoken in the U.S.A. today than in 1790. (The 1990 census reported 323 surely an undercount.) But this is a quantitative, not a qualitative, change.

Proportionally speaking, the language-minority population was larger at the turn of the 20th century, when immigration reached its highest levels in U.S. history, than at the turn of the 21st. In the 1890 census, there were 4.5 times as many non-English speakers than in the 1990 census (with its superior capabilities for counting such groups). In 1910, 23 percent of foreign-born whites, 39 percent of Japanese, 41 percent of Chinese, and 66 percent of other immigrants spoke no English, as compared with less than 10 percent of foreign-born residents in 1990. A decade before New Mexico became a state in 1912, two-thirds of its residents remained monolingual speakers of Spanish or Native American languages. Meanwhile, significant enclaves of French speakers remained intact in Louisiana and northern New England. German still predominated in large areas of the upper Midwest. These groups gradually became Anglicized not through legislation, but through social changes due to industrialization, migration, road-building, electrification, mass media, and the passing of isolated rural life.

These assimilative forces are even more powerful today. There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition. Absolutely none has been marshalled by English Only advocates only unsupported claims about ethnic separatism and immigrants' disinclination to learn English unless forced to do so.


Demographic research shows that now, more than ever, language patterns in America are a case of "Babel in reverse."
A massive shift to English continues. This trend has been somewhat masked by rising immigration levels over the past two decades, following half a century of restrictive quotas. So it is not suprising that many Americans have trouble grasping the paradox: While the number of minority language speakers is increasing, so is the rate of linguistic assimilation. All available evidence suggests that today's newcomers are learning English and losing their native tongues more rapidly than ever before. English was far more "threatened" in earlier times; yet it survived quite nicely without official status.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...D/question.htm
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>These assimilative forces are even more powerful today. There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition. Absolutely none has been marshalled by English Only advocates only unsupported claims about ethnic separatism and immigrants' disinclination to learn English unless forced to do so.

Demographic research shows that now, more than ever, language patterns in America are a case of "Babel in reverse." A massive shift to English continues. This trend has been somewhat masked by rising immigration levels over the past two decades, following half a century of restrictive quotas. So it is not suprising that many Americans have trouble grasping the paradox: While the number of minority language speakers is increasing, so is the rate of linguistic assimilation. All available evidence suggests that today's newcomers are learning English and losing their native tongues more rapidly than ever before. English was far more "threatened" in earlier times; yet it survived quite nicely without official status.<


1. so why the need to print anything in other than english?
2. why are their entire towns where the vast majority of residents can only speak spanish?


You didn't prove your point, only attempted to disprove mine, which didn't work. There is no reason whatsoever to print any govmnt forms in any other language. it is only done to appease immigrants who have enough critical mass to influence an election. There is no logical reason for it. .................................................. .............................
post #93 of 160
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There is no reason whatsoever to print any govmnt forms in any other language.

And so we go back to my original question: the main thing your proposal aims to affect is government published ephemera. So again, what good does this do and what is the justification for it?

Remember: There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition.
post #94 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
it forces people to learn to speak english. If they want to vote, take a drivers license test they would have to know english. Right now its too easy to avoid it....................

Yes, but right now that's not a problem.
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post #95 of 160
well, english only attitude seems pretty strong among many wasps.

i never complain when someone speaks spanglish or english with half spanish, because i understand it.

and i don't complain when other people talk in somali, bengali etc. when they speak english, i normally understand. of course their english isn't always correct, but it's understandable.

i don't understand the british. seriously. i felt like an idiot yesterday all day. working with some who are from w mdls, i can't understand w00t the f00k they are saying. half of time still laughing as i see screens of the young ones while hearing anyone too british, but they don't even bother to talk in non-dialectal english. not understanding them makes me feel extremely stupid, as i rarely have difficulties understanding the people in us speaking english. i know many there have dialects too, but they either speak more civilly when hearing non-local-origin ppl around, or i'm just more americanized. i took it as a compliment as some really badly english speaking french said they don't understand me because of MY american accent.
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post #96 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
so why the need to print anything in other than english?

To communicate effectively with people who may *speak* english but would understand their native language better for complex documents.

That is why we print these things isn't it? To communicate.

If we increase communication: good. If we reduce it: bad. (within cost costraints / bang per buck considerations obviously)
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Originally posted by midwinter
England, however, wasn't settled by immigrants. It was settled by conquering hordes of, alternately, Romans, Vikings, and French.

Oops - you forgot the Angles, Saxons and other germanic tribes, a fairly major grouping...
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Oops - you forgot the Angles, Saxons and other germanic tribes, a fairly major grouping...

Ack! I left out the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes (oh my!)! Indeed they are a major grouping, since we wouldn't have much of a language without them!

Thanks for pointing that out!
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post #99 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666

1. so why the need to print anything in other than english?

because you'll intimidate many people who aren't comfortable reading english (even though they may be able to get by in everyday life speaking it) and they'll do things like bribe driving instructors to give them licenses or just not bother with getting licensed at all.

but that's okay, while we're burying people killed by drivers that have no business driving, steve666 can lie in his bed at night rest assured that we have a "national language".
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Thats right, call someone xenophobic in order to defame your opponent. Doesn't work, groverat, just makes you sound petty.

You want to put legal barriers in place against people who don't speak English and you call me "petty"?

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The point is that many recent immigrants aren't bothering to learn to speak English and our policies are making it easier for them not to have to speak English-thats the problem!

1) Are immigrants in any significant number not "bothering to learn" English?
2) What is wrong with Spanish?

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I've mentioned before my Grandparents came from Poland and had to learn to speak English, and I agree that they had to.

Ok... so?
I am in college, should college be mandatory? After all, it increases my chances for economic and social success like learning English. Right?

I didn't say it was racism, it's xenophobia. They are different things. There is no reason to not print things in the language that the people speak.

If we all decide to start speaking Pig Latin then the government should print documents in Pig Latin. France can keep government-controlled culture to itself, thanks.
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post #101 of 160
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Originally posted by giant
And so we go back to my original question: the main thing your proposal aims to affect is government published ephemera. So again, what good does this do and what is the justification for it?

Remember: There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition.

Sure there is. There wouldn't be entire towns where people speak only spanish if ballots and drivers license tests were english only unless they didn't plan to vote or drive, both of which are highly unlikely. The current situation is enabling.......................................... ...............
post #102 of 160
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because you'll intimidate many people who aren't comfortable reading english (even though they may be able to get by in everyday life speaking it) and they'll do things like bribe driving instructors to give them licenses or just not bother with getting licensed at all.

but that's okay, while we're burying people killed by drivers that have no business driving, steve666 can lie in his bed at night rest assured that we have a "national language".

So then we should print everything in every language there is, because they are all represented here, correct?. If not, then its just hypocritical......................................
post #103 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
So then we should print everything in every language there is, because they are all represented here, correct?. If not, then its just hypocritical......................................

goddamit, what is your problem? america is/was great because we embrace ethnicity, we try to accomodate, we are not perfect but we try to be helpful. we've made mistakes, huge ones in fact, but we try to learn from them and move on.
if you want to build walls go some place else and do it. americans like you make me want to hurl.
post #104 of 160
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Originally posted by steve666
Sure there is. There wouldn't be entire towns where people speak only spanish if ballots and drivers license tests were english only unless they didn't plan to vote or drive, both of which are highly unlikely. The current situation is enabling.......................................... ...............

From my previous post:

"There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition...only unsupported claims about ethnic separatism and immigrants' disinclination to learn English unless forced to do so."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...D/question.htm

And as pointed out on another page, "The rate of linguistic assimilation is clearly accelerating, a phenomenon that can be seen even in the relatively brief span of the 1980s."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...RD/can-pop.htm

And regardless of the fact that you don't have a single valid premise, superkarate monkeydeathcar has a point you are just going to need to deal with.
post #105 of 160
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goddamit, what is your problem? america is/was great because we embrace ethnicity, we try to accomodate, we are not perfect but we try to be helpful. we've made mistakes, huge ones in fact, but we try to learn from them and move on.
if you want to build walls go some place else and do it. americans like you make me want to hurl.

If you're going to get your panties in a bunch everytime someone disagrees with you maybe you should go somewhere where everyone agrees with you and there can't be any dissent at all.

If you had your liberal blinders turned off for a second you would see that what I am proposing is far more inclusive than what you are proposing. But liberals love to see latinos lag behind other ethnic groups because now you have a built in lower class that usually votes Democratic. How convenient for you that your policies sound as if they are more sympathetic towards minorities but are actually the most destructive. Then you have the audacity to declare yourself to be morally superior.

Tell me, how do you manage to stay erect without a spine?.....................
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Originally posted by steve666
Tell me, how do you manage to stay erect without a spine?.....................

Tell me, how do you manage to not hurt yourself when your world view has no relationship with the real world?
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Then you have the audacity to declare yourself to be morally superior.


i didn't say i was morally superior, i said you make me want to vomit. see below for translation of vomit.


(vómito, vomito, vomi, erbechen, braak)
post #108 of 160
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Tell me, how do you manage to not hurt yourself when your world view has no relationship with the real world?

You mean, the 'real world' as according to you?
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You mean, the 'real world' as according to you?

No, I mean the real world according to evidence, not what you and your friends speculate about while your parents are sleeping in the next room.
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Real World is 7 billion separate realities. 7 billion Real Worlds. And all of them changing constantly.

Not every singe Real World is in English.
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Sure there is. There wouldn't be entire towns where people speak only spanish if ballots and drivers license tests were english only unless they didn't plan to vote or drive, both of which are highly unlikely. The current situation is enabling.......................................... ...............

What?

Not even LA is purely Hispanic yet. If you happen to live in a hispanic city, then learn Spanish so you can communicate in 2 languages with the people around you. Or are you so much superior you don't have to?

Most hispanics do know English. Not always perfectly, but to live in US it's practically necessary.

To have the documents ALSO in Spanish DOES NOT mean that you don't have to learn English in you live there; I think it means that being hispanic is accepted, it's more ok. If in some parts of the country 50 % of the population does speak Spanish, why NOT to have them in Spanish too? Or at least some brochure that is in Spanish amd explains what is the form in English for. It'd be far more that being hispanic is OKAY, that you odn't have to hide any longer.

In UK MANY documents are available in otehr languages. Bengali, hindi, spanish, arabic, albanian, somali ... 20 languages in some places. Costs more? But maybe it helps those people whose first language is not English. If they care to make some of the documents, infos, instructions to your language, they care about you too. Maybe having printed those documents means simply the non-British feel more accepted. If you live here. you still need English in the everyday life, but finding something in your own language is already something. The country accepts diversity .. I'm not going to learn hindi or bengali here, but if I'd live in one of those your horror cities (in US where they speak only spanish) I would have no problem using the other language ..
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post #112 of 160
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No, I mean the real world according to evidence, not what you and your friends speculate about while your parents are sleeping in the next room.

What evidence? You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with facts. .................................................. .....................
post #113 of 160
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>What?

Not even LA is purely Hispanic yet. If you happen to live in a hispanic city, then learn Spanish so you can communicate in 2 languages with the people around you. Or are you so much superior you don't have to?


If i lived in a Spanish speaking country I would learn to speak Spanish. In the United States I expect immigrants to learn to speak my language. Go tell Bubba in Oklahoma that he's going to have to learn to speak Spanish now because the percentage of Spanish speaking immigrants has reached a certain 'percentage'. Not going to happen. The US will never be bilingual so its imperative that all immigrants speak English, whether it seems 'mean' or not to all you soft-hearted folks .................................................. ......................
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What evidence? You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with facts. .................................................. .....................

"There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition...only unsupported claims about ethnic separatism and immigrants' disinclination to learn English unless forced to do so."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...RD/question.htm

And as pointed out on another page, "The rate of linguistic assimilation is clearly accelerating, a phenomenon that can be seen even in the relatively brief span of the 1980s."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...ORD/can-pop.htm
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"There is no evidence that bilingual accommodations slow down English acquisition...only unsupported claims about ethnic separatism and immigrants' disinclination to learn English unless forced to do so."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...RD/question.htm

And as pointed out on another page, "The rate of linguistic assimilation is clearly accelerating, a phenomenon that can be seen even in the relatively brief span of the 1980s."

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...ORD/can-pop.htm


Bilingualism for the individual is fine, but not for a country.Ó
S.I. Hayakawa
ÒBy emphasizing the importance of a common language, we safeguard a proud legacy and help to ensure that AmericaÕs future will be as great as her past.Ó
President Ronald Reagan, letter to U.S. ENGLISH, Mar. 24, 1987
ÒThe English language empowers each generation of immigrants to access the American dream. Studies have shown that people who learn English earn more for their families, are better able to move about and interact in society, and can more easily build a solid future for themselves and their children.Ó
Rep. Barbara Vucanovich
ÒMy support of declaring the English language to be the official language of the Federal Government is based on two simple principles: unity and opportunity.Ó
Rep. Gerald Solomon
ÒIn order to have economic and social mobility in this country, we know that we must speak and write the central language. To the extent that we encourage people who enter our society not to learn American English, we consign them basically to a life without that opportunity.Ó
Rep. John Porter
ÒI believe it is essential to have English as the official language of our National Government, for the English language is the tie that binds the millions of immigrants who come to America from divergent backgrounds. We should, and do, encourage immigrants to maintain and share their traditions, customs and religions, but the use of English is essential for immigrants and their children to participate fully in American society and achieve the American dream.Ó
Rep. James Sensenbrenner
ÒThe tie of language is perhaps the strongest and the most durable that can unite mankind.Ó
Alexis de Tocqueville
ÒWith all the divisive forces tearing at our country, we need the glue of language to help hold us together. If we want to ensure that all our children have the same opportunities in life, alternative language education should stop and English should be acknowledged once and for all as the official language of the United States.Ó
Sen. Bob Dole
ÒThe fact is that immigrants come here from every part of the world, and, in a generation or so, they become movie stars, politicians, businessmen, television personalities, and have all kinds of successful careers. But for these opportunities to open up, immigrants and their descendants must learn English as quickly as possible. ThatÕs the admission ticket into the culture.Ó
S.I. Hayakawa
ÒI know that Representative Fairchild is pleased, as I am, with the rapid passage of this bill. I agree with you that facility with English provides a common and necessary bond for all Americans.Ó
Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, letter to U.S. ENGLISH, Apr. 10, 1987
ÒAmerica is an open society, more open than any other in the world. People of every race, of every color, of every culture are welcomed here to create a new life for themselves and their families. And what do these people who enter into the American mainstream have in common? English, our shared common language.Ó
Sen. S.I. Hayakawa
ÒWe are people from every corner of the globe. We represent every religion, every ethnic group, every Nation under the Sun, but we are one nation, we are one people. Why? Because we have a wonderful commonality, a common glue, called the English language.Ó
Rep. Toby Roth
ÒAs a practical matter, every immigrant needs to master English to be a full participating citizen and to have full economic opportunity.Ó
Sen. Richard Lugar
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans . . .The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities. We have but one flag. We must also learn one language and that language is English."
President Theodore Roosevelt
"Language is the most powerful unifying force that can take place between a people,"
Rep. Steve King
ÒOver and over again we see that it is the English language which empowers each new generation of immigrants to access the American dream. Declaring English the official language of Government is the commonsense thing to do.Ó
Rep. Bill Goodling
ÒWhy in the world anyone in America is allowing another language (other than English) to be his firstÉ I donÕt know.Ó
Margaret Thatcher
ÒI believe it is our values and our ideals that ultimately bind us together as a nation. But it is the English language which serves as the means by which we can communicate these values to those around us. Our common language, English, is that which unites us.Ó
Rep. Asa Hutchinson
ÒThe language we share is at the core of our identity as citizens, and our ticket to full participation in American political life. We can speak any language we want at the dinner table, but English is the language of public discourse, or the marketplace and of the voting booth.Ó
S.I. Hayakawa
ÒWe should celebrate and be proud of our diversity. But to be a nation we must have one common language with which we can communicate with one another. That common language is American English.Ó
Rep. John Porter

ÒThe great thing about the United States is our ability to absorb foreign people and make them a part of us.Ó
S.I. Hayakawa
ÒWhen our ancestors came to America, they came to this country knowing they had to learn English to survive. Today, our melting pot has become a patchwork quilt of cultures, isolated because they cannot speak English. They arenÕt assimilating into our society like our ancestors did. Our current bilingual policies are shredding the common bond that has made our nation great.Ó
Rep. Joe Knollenberg
ÒLet us remember that our national unity is a most priceless asset.Ó
President Gerald Ford
ÒDiversity is one of our NationÕs greatest strengths. The unique cultures, customs, and beliefs that every immigrant brings to our country add to the richness of America. However, without a common thread to bind or society together, America risks losing its sense of unity.Ó
Rep. Peter Torkildsen
ÒIt is the failure to promote English as our common and unifying language that has hindered some Americans from building a solid future for their families and gaining access to the American dream.Ó
Rep. John Linder
ÒThe fact that our country is a collection of different nationalities necessitates some sort of unifying factor in order to provide an national identity. A common language provides that unifying factor. By establishing English as the official language of the United States, it creates a bond that transcends ethnicity.Ó
Rep. William Martini
ÒThe example of my parents and grandparents was clear, clear to me then and clear to me now. They knew instinctively that English proficiency was absolutely essential to their success, not because they were not proud of their heritage but because they knew mastering the language was important to them and that they should do it as quickly as possible. They knew that proficiency would help their family, their neighborhood, and their whole community.Ó
Rep. Marge Roukema
ÒThe fact that we have a common language, one language, is one of the most important things we have tying us together.Ó
S.I. Hayakawa
ÒWe are never going to get people into the mainstream unless they are English capable.Ó
Sen. John McCain
ÒÉthough representatives of many ethnic groups came together in the United States, English became their common language. Apparently, this was a natural choice. One can imagine what would have happened if members of each nation moving to the U.S. had spoken only their own tongues and refused to learn English.Ó
Mikhail Gorbachev

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[BIf i lived in a Spanish speaking country I would learn to speak Spanish. In the United States I expect immigrants to learn to speak my language. Go tell Bubba in Oklahoma that he's going to have to learn to speak Spanish now because the percentage of Spanish speaking immigrants has reached a certain 'percentage'.[/B]

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Dude, you'd better tell all of the American tourists that when they visit Italy, France, Spain, or any other country that English isn't the official language, that they should not expect to be served in English.

I've seen so many American tourists get pissed off at cafe/store owners because they don't speak English.
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Slightly off-topic:

Dude, you'd better tell all of the American tourists that when they visit Italy, France, Spain, or any other country that English isn't the official language, that they should not expect to be served in English.

I've seen so many American tourists get pissed off at cafe/store owners because they don't speak English.

Unfortunately many Americans are boobs. They should bring an electronic translator with them....................................
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Originally posted by audiopollution
Dude, you'd better tell all of the American tourists that when they visit Italy, France, Spain, or any other country that English isn't the official language, that they should not expect to be served in English.

I've seen so many American tourists get pissed off at cafe/store owners because they don't speak English.

Good idea. Next time I see any Americans in a non-English country I refuse to understand any English. It's not the official language...
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The US will never be bilingual so its imperative that all immigrants speak English, whether it seems 'mean' or not to all you soft-hearted folks .................................................. ......................

US has always been a pluri-cultural, pluri-linguistic country. It havin only ONE language spoken will never happen.



Talking about languages, I was today seriously worried I was understanding Somali or Swahili. Untill I figured out the two guys working (talking in their breaktime what ever language they prefer, none of the other's business) were from Mozambique. And I thought the Portuguese of the Portuguese sounds funny! I was a bit disappointed to figure the reason I understood their conversation was that it was in Portuguese ... \
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