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Davis is expected to sign this new legislature soon.

What...the...heck?! Okay, first, why only in elementary and middle school? Does obesity disappear once you enter high school and college? Why are there exceptions for after-hours events and such?

And since so many soft drinks are caffeinated, doesn't caffeine INCREASE your metabolism / muscle-activity?

And how the hell is this going to reduce obesity in children when all they need to do is bring the soda from home? How the hell does this teach kids balanced dietary habits?

And why can anybody get a driver's license in this state while kids ca't even buy a damned Coke at school?

Why not just ban soft drinks and unhealthful foods altogether in California?
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I don't drink much soda, and I'm graduated....so I don't care 8)
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What is it with California?

Don't they understand drinking Coke is every american's patriotic duty....
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Why not just ban soft drinks and unhealthful foods altogether in California?

It would like to vote for a total starvation in california
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The same law already is in effect in at least 3 states I know of. What's the BFD? Who needs more hyped up teens? Certainly not the educators. Perhaps they should teach them how to VOTE, then they can worry about not drinking caffinee.
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The same law already is in effect in at least 3 states I know of. What's the BFD? Who needs more hyped up teens? Certainly not the educators. Perhaps they should teach them how to VOTE, then they can worry about not drinking caffinee.

But it's not about hyperactivity or caffeine. It's supposed to be about obesity / weight gain.

AFAIK, this is not a state law anywhere else despite some random school boards who enforce similar restrictions on their own. It is a big deal because this law is ridiculous no matter where it's implemented. And most middle school kids can't vote in this country...

In addition, it further strains school districts that gain revenue from contracts with bottlers/brands.
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But it's not about hyperactivity or caffeine. It's supposed to be about obesity / weight gain.

AFAIK, this is not a state law anywhere else despite some random school boards enforce similar restrictions on their own. It is a big deal because this law is ridiculous no matter where it's implemented. And most middle school kids can't vote in this country...

The voter training would help them out when they grow up. As for the law being 'ridiculous' it may only seem so if you like soda. Obesity and weight gain are significant problems. They lead to heart disease and diabetes. A health incentive to reduce these would be a welcome change IMHO.

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In addition, it further strains school districts that gain revenue from contracts with bottlers/brands.

Schools have always been expected to raise money from various sources. Soda sales aren't gonna make or break um. Poor leadership has stripped the state educational system of money. Not the decision to cut out the corporate bubbly distributers.
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The voter training would help them out when they grow up. As for the law being 'ridiculous' it may only seem so if you like soda. Obesity and weight gain are significant problems. They lead to heart disease and diabetes. A health incentive to reduce these would be a welcome change IMHO.

This is NOT a health incentive. It's an authoritarian ban on an otherwise legal substance. It's a drink...available EVERYWHERE. I'm all for real health and fitness education, but banning soft drink sales is not a solution. Kids can just bring these drink to school with them. Kids can drink all the soft drinks they want anywhere else.

Whatever happened to centrist political views and common sense?
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Soda sales aren't gonna make or break um.

That's why I said it puts a strain on them. I didn't say it was a deathblow.
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Whatever happened to centrist political views and common sense?

Dunno. Somebody got to them before you did.
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Kids aren't likely to want to drink warm pop during lunch, are they? A thermos would keep it cool, but I'm sure that's not going to happen.

These fat kids are slugging down 4 or 5 Cokes a day at what, 140 calories a pop?

Right on. Soft drinks are the devil. Ban the sumbitches.
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post #13 of 162
Eugene,
You're wasting your time. As you can see. We've fast become sheep. Civic Duty has been replaced with a chants for more Government Control. Parents are obviously NOT the best people to raise children so the CA "Gubment" will go ahead and just usurp more control.

You can't ban just obese kids from drinking Soda's so what the hell. Ban everyone!

Hard to believe that less than 250 years ago this country rebelled against a "measly" tax on stamps when now we take taxes like it's our lifeblood. LOL.

I can tell you that in CA alot of kids have much more worries in school that go beyond drinking Sodas.
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post #14 of 162
What they ought to ban are the fatty fast food free breakfast and lunches they give these kids. Then instead of a parent handing them two bucks for a soda and snack, they could actually prepare them a good meal at home for breakfast and of course work up something goof for lunch as well.

If the parent can't do it, and obviously the state hasn't, and the individual can't control themselves well then no number of laws will save us.

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Now people are whining that they're trying to stop businesses from selling junk foods in schools?

I didn't realize that it was a fundamental right. What is that, the 28th Amendment?

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Wherea, the children of these United State, in need of sutenance thereof; the right of the children to purchae soft drink in all school mut not be abridged.
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Now people are whining that they're trying to stop businesses from selling junk foods in schools?

I didn't realize that it was a fundamental right. What is that, the 28th Amendment?

In Revese where does it state that Governments can micromanage every portion of their consituents lives? It's a two way street BRussell. You're not complaining because it doesn't affect you. But someday the Gov will cross that line and methinks you'll be singing a different tune.
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someday the Gov will cross that line and methinks you'll be singing a different tune.

The government stopping a private (already mega successful) industry from dealing a unhealhty product in a public state institution is crossing a line?

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The government stopping a private (already mega successful) industry from dealing a unhealhty product in a public state institution is crossing a line?

Hum.... \

No what i'm inferring is that some "other" subject will be targetted. I guess in a way it's already happened with the banning of Cigarettes in Bars and other areas. Everyone has their something.

I guess one could say that the schools are just banning the "Sale" of soft drinks. However "Gubments" can be somewhat "Progressive" about Legislation. Should this become successful it's not unlikely that you may see attempts to have soft drinks banned in their entirety in the future.
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No what i'm inferring is that some "other" subject will be targetted. I guess in a way it's already happened with the banning of Cigarettes in Bars and other areas. Everyone has their something.

Agreed. Good point. Should they ban cell phones in cars? (even for passengers?) If they did I'd be pissed so I suppose you have a point.
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Agreed. Good point. Should they ban cell phones in cars? (even for passengers?) If they did I'd be pissed so I suppose you have a point.

Yes that actually is another "Hot Button" issue. I'm for requiring headsets..hands free etc. But I have heard some people asking for total bans. That's a little excessive. As long as both hands can grip the steering wheel I'm ok with phones in the car.

I'm a paranoid when it comes to legislation. Here in Washington our State Government basically does what they want.

We reduce Car Tabs to $30..the find loop holes to bring it back up.

We vote for no state funding for Seahawks Stadium. They find a way to pass it anyway.

They pass a Seatbelt law where you can only receive it if you're pulled over for another offense. That wasn't good enough. Now you can be pulled over for not wearing your seatbelt. Fine is $101.

I do not trust WA State to fulfill the promise of democracy. Every attempt we have made has been countered by Gov weakening our influence. Such is life when exercising Civic Duty.
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post #21 of 162
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This is NOT a health incentive. It's an authoritarian ban on an otherwise legal substance. It's a drink...available EVERYWHERE.

This is like saying McDonald's is food. Yeah, you can eat it, but you can eat shit and die too. Soda shouldn't even be considered a drink.

Instead of deciding that soda can't go in schools, the government should decide limits on what can or can't be considered food. Junk food need not apply. Then just tell schools they can sell any food, not junk. The government is already in the habit of catagorizing everything for taxes and who knows what else. Food should be segregated and not taxed at any level, while twinkies should be freely available, but not considered food.

It would also serve to educate customers because most people do seem to think that Coca Cola is a drink, when in fact it's just a liquid. So is Drano.
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This is NOT a health incentive. It's an authoritarian ban on an otherwise legal substance. It's a drink...available EVERYWHERE. I'm all for real health and fitness education, but banning soft drink sales is not a solution. Kids can just bring these drink to school with them. Kids can drink all the soft drinks they want anywhere else.

Whatever happened to centrist political views and common sense?

Authoritarian Ban
Available Everywhere

Some ban, huh?

YOU have the extreme view on this subject, so stop trying to act like everyone else does.

Tobacco products are illegal in schools. Is that an authoritarian ban too?

This is all about putting the decision back into the parents' hands on what their children eat and drink. If parents allow them to drink soda...Fine. But I don't know that you can trust a first grader to make healthily nutritional decisions-- nevermind know what the words "healthy, nutrional, and decisions" even mean.

This a good common sense move that I wish all states followed.

Now, I'd like a turn at being extreme... Let's ban fast food advertising to children.

EDIT: Eugene's right. It is an authoritarian ban...just like the authoritarian ban on tobacco products, etc. but NOT like this:

of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

I'll leave my original post intact.
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Some ban, huh?

Yes, because it's an edict...statewide, with no discretion. It strikes me as an insufficiently serious problem to take out of the hands of local schools and districts. I had no opinion on this subject when it was limited to PTAs and districts making the decision. Did I post about this when the SF Unified District took it upon itself to enforce this? No.

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YOU have the extreme view on this subject, so stop trying to act like everyone else does.

I only seem extreme because you're so far to the left, Mr. GWB Shot Down Columbia.

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Tobacco products are illegal in schools. Is that an authoritarian ban too?

And second-hand smoke kills people. Soft drinks aren't illegal in schools, and still won't be after this legislation is passed.

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This is all about putting the decision back into the parents' hands on what their children eat and drink. If parents allow them to drink soda...Fine. But I don't know that you can trust a first grader to make healthily nutritional decisions-- nevermind know what the words "healthy, nutrional, and decisions" even mean.

Precisely the opposite, the state has taken it out of the parents and district's hands.

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This a good common sense move that I wish all states followed.

It's not common sense to skip ahead of all the other problems to get to this first. And it's not common sense for the state to meddle in what would more easily be handled on the local level anyway.
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Yes, because it's an edict...statewide, with no discretion. It strikes me as an insufficiently serious problem to take out of the hands of local schools and districts. I had no opinion on this subject when it was limited to PTAs and districts making the decision. Did I post about this when the SF Unified District took it upon itself to enforce this? No.


I only seem extreme because you're so far to the left, Mr. GWB Shot Down Columbia.


And second-hand smoke kills people. Soft drinks aren't illegal in schools, and still won't be after this legislation is passed.


Precisely the opposite, the state has taken it out of the parents and district's hands.


It's not common sense to skip ahead of all the other problems to get to this first. And it's not common sense for the state to meddle in what would more easily be handled on the local level anyway.

hey leave my paranoid conspiracy theories out of this!

Well, the state is acting in the parents interests. You suggest that all parents mount anti-soda-in school campaigns to individually decide whether they want their kids to drink soda on their own recognition? Hmm...I can see now that your opinions on this really aren't as extreme as they are libertarian/ conservative. So maybe it actually is authoritarian in a technical sense (not the negative connotation of the word. I guess that's what I meant.)

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Because Soda is soooo addictive that they need to take the machines out of schools.

Please. looks like people are riding the party line on this and not looking at what it really is. I suppose if some idiot became governor and tried to pass a no meat sales law because it makes you fat that would be ok? How about a no pasta sales law? A serving of pasta is much worse than several cans of Pepsi.
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No, a libertarian stance would probably prohibit any sort of regulation, statewide or local. This is simply about scope. Yes, if a PTA decides against such restrictions, who should stop them? It's Coke and Mountain Dew, sheesh.
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Yes. This is NOT and issue of Health but of Government Scope. Many people simply do not think that States should be dictating the menu for schools. It's a slippery slope.

We wonder why Parents have given up control to Schools. Why Parents blame schools for their children not being well rounded. Why should they? The Government seems to want to manage every portion of our lives. As a Parent..perhaps I should just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Governments make laws to govern issues that they deem the typical Citizen cannot manage on their own.
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A serving of pasta is much worse than several cans of Pepsi.

More calories, not "worse". There is nothing good about drinking several cans of Pepsi. If more kids had something like pasta for lunch, we'd see less fat little bastards running around.

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How about a no pasta sales law? A serving of pasta is much worse than several cans of Pepsi.

Now that's just silly and it's wrong, no matter how you look at it - calories, nutrients, how much it fills you up, etc.

Look, the state, which runs the schools last I checked, has said let's not allow corporations to sell crud to our kids. Good for them.

I just don't get this attitude that corporations should have absolute freedom to do anything they want. They have no fundamental or civil right to sell whatever they want in our schools. The state runs the schools, and they are responsible for what happens in them. No one's rights are being infringed here.

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More calories, not "worse".

You know, it's actually not even close to being more calories, unless you put some kind of super duper cream sauce on your pasta and then count that too.
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If more kids had something like pasta for lunch, we'd see less fat little bastards running around.

Exactly. They'd all be dozing off in the shade under a tree having a nice siesta.

I crack myself up sometimes.
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Look, the state, which runs the schools last I checked, has said let's not allow corporations to sell crud to our kids. Good for them.

I just don't get this attitude that corporations should have absolute freedom to do anything they want. They have no fundamental or civil right to sell whatever they want in our schools. The state runs the schools, and they are responsible for what happens in them. No one's rights are being infringed here.

The legislation does not distinguish between corporate contracts and casual sales WRT to soft drinks. The hell I care about my 'empty calorie' intake. I'm not fat. Soft drinks didn't make me fat.
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You know, I don't think we ever had soft drinks (or vending machines at all) in my middle or elementary schools. Is this a relatively new thing? Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly. It was almost 20 years ago.
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Davis is expected to sign this new legislature soon.

What...the...heck?! Okay, first, why only in elementary and middle school? Does obesity disappear once you enter high school and college? Why are there exceptions for after-hours events and such?

And since so many soft drinks are caffeinated, doesn't caffeine INCREASE your metabolism / muscle-activity?

And how the hell is this going to reduce obesity in children when all they need to do is bring the soda from home? How the hell does this teach kids balanced dietary habits?

And why can anybody get a driver's license in this state while kids ca't even buy a damned Coke at school?

Why not just ban soft drinks and unhealthful foods altogether in California?

This is california, Illegal Alien kids will be allowed to sell soda at the school, just not citizens.
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Originally posted by BRussell
Now that's just silly and it's wrong, no matter how you look at it - calories, nutrients, how much it fills you up, etc.

Look, the state, which runs the schools last I checked, has said let's not allow corporations to sell crud to our kids. Good for them.

I just don't get this attitude that corporations should have absolute freedom to do anything they want. They have no fundamental or civil right to sell whatever they want in our schools. The state runs the schools, and they are responsible for what happens in them. No one's rights are being infringed here.

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More calories, not "worse".

You know, it's actually not even close to being more calories, unless you put some kind of super duper cream sauce on your pasta and then count that too.

You're right, it is silly. Those schools still serve milk too but I'm sure some parents will have a problem with their kids drinking milk all the time. Water is really the only safe thing i guess. Point is, Soda is a snack-drink, and banning snacks is downright criminal
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nah, there are enough washed up hippies and wanna be hippies in cali, let's just say the demographic majority here would change.
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You want to slow the rate of child and teen obesity? Throw their friggin Nintendo consoles in the attic, kick their ass off the sofa and make them join a soccer team or something. In school, there used to be this horrible thing called GYM CLASS where students were MADE to partake in athletic activities every day.

But then someone's feelers got hurt and their parents sued and now many kids don't have to participate in Gym if they don't want to. I'm so glad this is a sensitive nation that we live in.

Maybe this could be seen as a prelude to "developing good eating habits", so I can understand to some degree, but common. America is so fixated on "carbs and protein and fat" and so NOT fixated on doing anything that requires a little effort (like walking a flight of stairs) that this is like putting a bandaid on a gaping head wound.

Now "pass" the Reality TV with people lying, subverting and otherwise abusing their fellow man to make some good hard cash. Gotta get my fill!
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You want to slow the rate of child and teen obesity? Throw their friggin Nintendo consoles in the attic, kick their ass off the sofa and make them join a soccer team or something. In school, there used to be this horrible thing called GYM CLASS where students were MADE to partake in athletic activities every day.

But then someone's feelers got hurt and their parents sued and now many kids don't have to participate in Gym if they don't want to. I'm so glad this is a sensitive nation that we live in.

Not in my province, man. They're going to be sweating it up every day.

Gym to be mandatory in Alberta schools
Province hopes policy will help reduce obesity in children

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I think its a good idea purely to stifle the attempt to market to kids in school. Its awful that Pepsi or Coke offer schools lucrative deals to only sell their product. Schools should be a place for the kids to learn, not another place to be bombarded with advertising. What's next some company will pay the school x amount of dollars to plaster ads on the backs of seats so the kids have to look at them all day? I'm all for not having the government overregulate things, but keeping big corporations ad compaigns out of schools is a good thing.
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So the devil's advocate question is, what if all the soft drink companies declare they will only sell diet soda in the schools?

No caloric concerns there.

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When I was in school in the late 70's and early 80's they never sold soft drinks at school. Never. Administrators took far more responsibility for the health of students back then. Now it's all about money.

The problem started in the 90's when soft drink companies and schools realized they could help eachother make money by placing products in schools and signing exclusivity contracts, etc. But nobody gave one shit about the detrimental health effects this would have on students.
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