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post #1 of 25
9/24/03 at 1:37am
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Here's an interesting conspiracy theory I've been watching coalescing.

There's been a great deal of debate about electronic touch-screen voting machines with many people asking for a paper trail to allow for confirmation of voting fraud.

Technically the matter seems clear cut, so the vociferousness with which these companies are fighting paper ballots seems somewhat odd. And, as some bright spark on slashdot pointed out, when was the last time a company willingly gave up the chance to sell overpriced consumables to a captive market?

Well here's a possible reason (note that permalinks don't seem to be working on this blog so you'll have scroll to the item titled Alert: Diebold-Faircloth Connection!

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

And here's some background on these conspirators who seek to overthrow the American government and democracy.

http://reason.com/9811/col.olson.shtml
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post #2 of 25
9/24/03 at 1:58am
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Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
And here's some background on these conspirators who seek to overthrow the American government and democracy.

http://reason.com/9811/col.olson.shtml

Too late - they've already done it.

Bush may not openly admit that he is a member of the 'Christian Right' in exactly those terms (although he all but does) but as my old granny used to say: look at what they do, not what they say.

This is an article about radical new legislation Bush is sweeping through that will enable him to give millions of taxpayers dollars to 'faith based charities' and enable them to access billions more dollars worth of government grants. Actually it's unconstitutional and looks like being another classic Bush f**k-up but the intention is there.

Lest anyone doubt the further coincidence of the Bush/Xian fundie aims and beliefs, check out this classic example of Xian hypocrisy - right wing fundie 'Christian' nutters waving Israeli flags and calling for the forced removal of Palestinians from the west bank because it's 'Biblical'. Does the Bible say how to move them ? Cattle trucks ?

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post #3 of 25
9/24/03 at 5:24am
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post #4 of 25
9/24/03 at 5:37am
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Originally posted by Scott
Bigots

Well, that's one way of describing them - personally I'd go for something a bit stronger.....
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post #5 of 25
9/24/03 at 5:42am
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Well, that's one way of describing them - personally I'd go for something a bit stronger.....

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post #6 of 25
9/24/03 at 5:49am
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Originally posted by Scott
QED

Honi soit qui mal y pense
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post #7 of 25
9/24/03 at 5:56am
I'm quite sure this country is secretly controlled by the Illuminati and/or some sort of masonic conspiracy.
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post #8 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:01am
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Honi soit qui mal y pense

Shame on you. Go hate someone else.
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post #9 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:04am
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Originally posted by Eugene
I'm quite sure this country is secretly controlled by the Illuminati and/or some sort of masonic conspiracy.

skull and bones ?
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post #10 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:09am
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Shame on you. Go hate someone else.

Thought for one minute you'd tried for the anagram - I know how much you hate French.

Shame. You could have had: Opinions quietly shame.
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post #11 of 25
9/24/03 at 7:37am
Last time I voted there was this old busybody looking over my shoulder... that explains it.
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post #12 of 25
9/24/03 at 8:58am
The conspiracy theory itself is pretty far-fetched; no group that provided or ran an automated voting system would be left unchecked. Especially if it were known they had strong religious views one way or another.

However, somewhat OT: I liked Segovius' quote.

It's very sad because [many of] our ultra-conservative, born-again types are going to walk face first into a wall called Reality if ever they do meet their maker literally. They will be left with nothing but sorrow and their own self-righteousness.

Makes me sad because I have family members who may end up this way, but there's no convincing another person that they should change their religion. It only makes them cling to their illogical beliefs more tightly.

C'est la vie...

(Had to end with a French quote...)
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post #13 of 25
9/24/03 at 10:09am
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Originally posted by Moogs
The conspiracy theory itself is pretty far-fetched; no group that provided or ran an automated voting system would be left unchecked. Especially if it were known they had strong religious views one way or another.

However, somewhat OT: I liked Segovius' quote.

It's very sad because [many of] our ultra-conservative, born-again types are going to walk face first into a wall called Reality if ever they do meet their maker literally. They will be left with nothing but sorrow and their own self-righteousness.

Makes me sad because I have family members who may end up this way, but there's no convincing another person that they should change their religion. It only makes them cling to their illogical beliefs more tightly.

C'est la vie...

(Had to end with a French quote...)

Oui! Oui!
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post #14 of 25
9/24/03 at 10:19am
Les lapins sont mous.
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post #15 of 25
9/24/03 at 11:13am
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Les lapins sont mous.

avec un goute comme le poulet?

. . . . raised French but can't write it worth a chicken leg . . . .
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post #16 of 25
9/24/03 at 11:23am
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Originally posted by Scott
Bigots

Iiiiiiiiiin the red corner, those who would put to death, "Not only gays but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of "unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that's to say nothing of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or "betrothed virgins.""

Iiiiiiiiiiin the blue corner, those on these boards who say that this is fundamentalism every bit as obscene as the worst excesses of Sharia.

And guess, just guess, who SCOTT IS CALLING THE BIGOTS!
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post #17 of 25
9/24/03 at 1:28pm
I think he said "The bunnies are soft", Pfflam, but I could be mistaken of course.

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post #18 of 25
9/24/03 at 1:45pm
Les lapins sont mous, mais les vaches sonnent «mou».
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post #19 of 25
9/24/03 at 4:30pm
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Originally posted by Harald
Iiiiiiiiiin the red corner, those who would put to death, "Not only gays but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of "unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that's to say nothing of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or "betrothed virgins.""

Iiiiiiiiiiin the blue corner, those on these boards who say that this is fundamentalism every bit as obscene as the worst excesses of Sharia.

And guess, just guess, who SCOTT IS CALLING THE BIGOTS!

Well when you makeup/repeat stupid conspiracy theories about a group of people that means you are bigoted towards them.
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post #20 of 25
9/24/03 at 4:57pm
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Originally posted by Scott
Well when you makeup/repeat stupid conspiracy theories about a group of people that means you are bigoted towards them.

Ah ha! So Republicans are bigoted towards the other 50%. I knew it!
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post #21 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:03pm
" POTISSIMUM OPINIO TOTUS FOETER "

" Almost all opinions stink "8)
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post #22 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:06pm
Bush is not a member of the Christian right. . . he just knows who his supporters are.

As for electronic touch screen voting machines, I know one of the companies that builds these (and sells them). They also happen to do metal (copper) inlaying and various other things more interesting to the company I'm with, and we've visited their offices a few times.

They don't strike me as Christian right-wingers, nor do they strike me as the type to give in to bribes. (nor do the Christian right strike me as the type to offer bribes).

Of all the groups I'm familiar with, Christians seem to me the least likely to start a faith-initiated conspiracy. And last I checked they didn't have a motive to "put to death" all of those types that Harald noted. Disapproval is one thing, seeking death is another.
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post #23 of 25
9/24/03 at 6:12pm
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Originally posted by Moogs
I think he said "The bunnies are soft", Pfflam, but I could be mistaken of course.


well, I tried to sy that they taste like chicken . . .
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--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

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--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

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post #24 of 25
9/24/03 at 10:51pm
I wonder how long it would take Harald and Segovious to start calling people out for suggesting a general muslim plan to weaking the national security of the US and the west in general. But hey, it's only wrong when it's not a christian or a jew.

Harald, spoken to many christians actually calling for death to homosexuals or "blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of "unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics."? And how many of those would you describe as main stream christians? And would it then be as fair to draw the conclusions you made, that Islam is a religion also calling for death to those groups, but you and me and the rest of the westerm world as well?

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post #25 of 25
9/25/03 at 1:37am
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Did anyone actually read the links? This is a specific church group we're talking about called Christian Reconstructionists, with a lot of money, big names and connections, not your pious aunt and her local pastor.

Article:
http://reason.com/9811/col.olson.shtml

Reader Responses:
http://reason.com/9902/letters.shtml
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