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In like page 2 or 3 of this thread i posted where bush JUNIOR was asked if he had asked k-a-r-l directly. he did not answer and instead said how he wants to get to the bottom of things etc...

a sort of non denial denial...

Of course the press corp did not follow up with a "you did not answer our question mr president"

so much for the "liberal media" theory....

katie ain't doing her job...
post #402 of 498
Bush: 30th September

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"If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of."

Bush: 7th October

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"I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is...This is a large administration... I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official "
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http://www.thenation.com/capitalgame...?bid=3&pid=991

It seems pretty clear that they know who the leaker is... but they are being very careful about not saying anything that will catch them in a lie if the person is found out... conviction in finding the criminal has melted into uncertainty... possibly it's someone they want to protect. And would rather not have exposed.
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possibly it's someone they want to protect. And would rather not have exposed.

Give me an R...
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post #405 of 498
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Washinton Post: The spy next door

Or if they let me choose a subtitle,

"People who think the outing of Valerie did not do harm to this country are idiots."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003Oct7.html

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"They spoiled it. They more than spoiled it -- they brought a lot of harm," Diane Plame said, referring to the leakers and to Novak. "For people to come out and say this would cause no harm, what kind of IQs do they have?"
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More people that get it...

CIA agents speak out on WilsonGate

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/07/pzn.00.html


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ZAHN: Now to get an inside look at how this may be playing at the CIA, we turn now to two former CIA employees who trained with Ambassador Wilson's wife, the operative whose name was leaked. From Detroit tonight, former undercover case officer Jim Marcinkowski. From Philadelphia tonight, former analyst Brent Cavan. Welcome to both of you. Glad to see both of you.



....


ZAHN: Mr. Marcinkowski, help us understand what this means to an agent in the field, particularly a covert one. Do they now view their government as a threat?

MARCINKOWSKI: Certainly, the act itself has been an unprecedented act. This is not the leak, as usual from Washington, of classified information. And that should not be condoned. However, this is the leak of an identification of an intelligence agent of the United States. So the fact that it's unprecedented sends a ripple effect throughout the intelligence community and drastically affects national security throughout -- throughout the world, and the United States in particular.




As an operations officer on scene in a country, the effects of this are that anyone who knows you or did know you now will look at your mosaic. They will look at the people you've come in contact with. They will suspect those people, be they official contacts or innocent contacts. They will suspect those persons of being intelligence agents. They could be subject to interrogation, imprisonment and even death, depending on the regime that you may be operating under.




There's also ramifications for CIA morale. I'm not naive enough to say this is having a huge impact, but certainly, it contributes to a decline in morale when you know that your own government can identify you as a clandestine operator. Certainly, there's going to be a reluctance on the part of foreign nationals that may want to help the United States in these trying times. They're going to be reluctant to serve and help us with information, based on the fact that their identification may be revealed by the government.




Obviously, in this particular case, there's further problems with looking at the ambassador's wife. Obviously, now all intelligence services across the world will be looking at ambassadors' wives and suspecting them. They may subject them now to surveillance and added security measures.
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It seems like scot mcllened has a case of the "define sexual realtions"...Ironic huh? This is the white house that was supposed to bring H & I back to the white house. Instead we get an actionless president that doesn't read or what to know much of anything and a white house that insists on parsing every statement. Isn't that what bugged them when bill "presided over the greatest american expansion in our history" clinton was in office?

Alahnaa Morissete sing your famous song here!


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They know who did it.

In other news...

Sources: FBI quizzes Wilson, Novak

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...ain/index.html


So we are a year away from the election. It seems like too much time has past for bush JUNIOR to the right thing that involves asking all his senior admin officials to sign an afadavit swearing they did not leak the name.

Instead they are go to slime and defend mode and claim ignorance (WHICH WORK FOR YOU MR "president")

Waiting out the clock eh?

Stretch this out further. Ignore it like you are ignoring everything that doesn't come out of the mouth of your aides.

Jan. is coming. And its "fair game" for every democrat running to ask... why is ALL action being taken to route out the traitor in bush JUNIOR's midst...?
post #408 of 498
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Comedy, thy name is this adminstration:


The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:




We're going to hunt them down one at a timeit doesn't matter where they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to justice.
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02




The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:




"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam] is found and brought to justice.
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03




The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the White House:




I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. I don't have any idea....This is a large administration, and there are a lot of senior administration officials
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/0




Joke, thy name is "on us"....


THEY KNOW WHO DID IT.
post #409 of 498
Just to be clear:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Sep29.html

From Sept. 29th

"Another journalist yesterday confirmed receiving a call from an administration official providing the same information about Wilson's wife before the Novak column appeared on July 14 in The Post and other newspapers.

The journalist, who asked not to be identified because of possible legal ramifications, said that the information was provided as part of an effort to discredit Wilson, but that the CIA information was not treated as especially sensitive. "The official I spoke with thought this was a part of Wilson's story that wasn't known and cast doubt on his whole mission," the person said, declining to identify the official he spoke with. "They thought Wilson was having a good ride and this was part of Wilson's story."

In addition to Novak's column, an administration official told The Washington Post on Saturday that two White House officials leaked the information to several journalists in an effort to discredit Wilson. "
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post #410 of 498
Do you think it's more important to find out who leaked Plame's name... or.... find out who leaked that two officials from the white house did indeed release the name?

They would rather find the person exposing them... which isn't a crime at all.


http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1008-04.htm

Two-thousand White House staffers had been told to review their records for possible leak details. It was quite telling how the request was framed.

They were asked about all connections with Novak, of course. But they were also told to reveal any contacts with two other journalists - Knut Royce and Timothy Phelps, both of Newsday.

Royce is a veteran reporter in the paper's Washington Bureau, well-wired in the world of spooks and spies. Phelps is our Washington Bureau chief.

They had not blown anyone's cover. They had not revealed anybody's name. Novak took care of that.

Royce and Phelps had simply done a follow-up after Novak's piece ran, pinning down an ambiguity in the columnist's reporting. They nailed the fact that Plame hadn't been some mere analyst or researcher at the CIA. She was an undercover operative overseas, whose vengeful unmasking risked terrible consequences - to her safety, her sources and her country.

So by probing contacts with Royce and Phelps, the White House could only be trying to discover who in the CIA helped embarrass the White House.

It's a way of pointing fingers. ("If we leaked, so did you.") It's a way of settling bureaucratic scores. ("You undermined our case for war.")

But all leaks aren't illegal.

Some are in the highest tradition of truth-telling and journalism.

And embarrassing the administration is not yet a crime, despite what some in the White House seem to believe.
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post #411 of 498
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this is just getting even more sick.

clinton - bj = bad?

bush JUNIOR - tratior amongst his midst.


We must silence our un-American detractors!


Keep it up bush JUNIOR. I'm not sure if any of your aides read you the headlines lately, but there is an election coming up. And americans don't like white houses that harbor traitors...
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Originally posted by keyboardf12
this is just getting even more sick.

clinton - bj = bad?

bush JUNIOR - tratior amongst his midst.


We must silence our un-American detractors!


Keep it up bush JUNIOR. I'm not sure if any of your aides read you the headlines lately, but there is an election coming up. And americans don't like white houses that harbor traitors...

Ok, it's starting to look lke we need a Panther-style countdown to a massive distraction - the only card junior has left in his deck.

I'd say Bush needs an international incident within the month. My money's on Syria.
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Ok, it's starting to look lke we need a Panther-style countdown to a massive distraction - the only card junior has left in his deck.

I'd say Bush needs an international incident within the month. My money's on Syria.

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Slime, Give False Numbers, then Defend:


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Novak cited "two administration officials" in his column. They may work in the White House, but they also may work in other places. There are tens of thousands of "senior administration officials." The only suggestion that White House aides leaked the covert agent's name comes from another "senior administration official," who told The Washington Post that "two top White House officials" leaked the agent's name to at least six (unnamed) journalists.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/222esfxg.asp

WeeklyStandard.

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Ok, it's starting to look lke we need a Panther-style countdown to a massive distraction - the only card junior has left in his deck.

I'd say Bush needs an international incident within the month. My money's on Syria.




TOTALLY!

They do seem to be in a Syria sort of mode lately. Not that it matters. Syira could be acting like mother theresa(when she was alive) right now and it would not matter. They are on the Paul wolfiwitz list..

So bombs away......
post #415 of 498
This should be watched tonight...

truth, war and consequences

FRONTLINE traces the roots of the Iraqi war back to the days immediately following September 11, when Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered the creation of a special intelligence operation to quietly begin looking for evidence that would justify the war. The intelligence reports soon became a part of a continuing struggle between civilians in the Pentagon on one side and the CIA, State Department, and uniformed military on the other-a struggle that would lead to inadequate planning for the aftermath of the war, continuing violence, and mounting political problems for the president.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/

I don't know if anyone who thinks PBS is liberal will watch it... but they're probably watching the oh so informative Hannity or O'Reilly around that time. That's the "Iraq is going well, and took part in 9/11 and they have WMD that could have be used against us here in the US at any moment" channel.
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Moveon.org has a way you can help President Bush narrow down the list of suspects in the Valerie Plame case. Take a look. Lend him a hand.

-- Josh Marshall

Check it out.

(Mr. Bush i'm looking in your direction...)

http://www.moveon.org/affidavit/?id=...E5BJCr71IcVtzA
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Joshua Marshall ROASTS Bob Nofacts with Bob's OWN words:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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Oh, now thats very interesting.

Lets go back and do a little more Bob Novak exegesis.

As weve noted before, one of the best pieces of evidence that Novak (and thus his sources) knew Valerie Plame was a clandestine employee of the


CIA was that he said as much in his original column. There he called her a CIA operative.

People who follow the intel world say that phrase is almost always meant to refer to a clandestine agent or someone in the field, rather than an analyst.

Now, since the story blew up a week and a half ago, Novak has been telling people that this reference was just some sort of slip-up, that in this case he meant operative only in the generic sense of a hack or a fixer. On Meet the Press Novak said he uses the word too much [and] if somebody did a Nexus search of my columns, they'd find an overuse of operative.

Well, Novak does seem to use the word operative a lot. But as one of my readers pointed out to me this evening, operative can mean all sorts of things in different contexts. The question is how Novak uses it in this particular context. Following up on my readers suggestion I did a Nexis search to see all the times Novak used the phrases CIA operative or agency operative.

This was a quick search. But I came up with six examples. And in each case Novak used the phrase to refer to someone working in a clandestine capacity.

Here they are


On December 3rd 2001 Novak reported on the surprise and even outrage among CIA veterans that Mike Spanns identity had been revealed even in death. Spann was the agent killed at the uprising at Mazar-i-Sharif Thus Novak: Exposure of CIA operative Johnny (Mike) Spann's identity as the first American killed in Afghanistan is viewed by surprised intelligence insiders as an effort by Director George Tenet to boost the embattled CIA's prestige.


On November 1st, 2001 Novak described the Agencys handling of the late Afghan resistance commander Abdul Haq. Thus Novak: the CIA was keeping in close touch with Haq's friends but providing more criticism than help. The Afghan freedom fighter who was honored by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher during the war against the Soviets became "Hollywood Haq" to the CIA. He was described by the agency's operatives as unruly and immature.

This is the most ambiguous reference. But I think its pretty clear here that Novak is referring to people in the field, i.e., operatives, not analysts back at Langley.

On September 23rd, 2001, Novak discussed the long decline of the CIA, particularly its human intelligence (HUMINT) and operational capacities. He made particular reference to the tenure of Stansfield Turner as DCI. Thus Novak: Appalled by the CIA's operatives in Central America, he issued the now-famous order against hiring unsavory local agents. There went any serious effort at espionage. Again, that aint a reference to analysts.

On July 5th, 1999, Novak reviewed Bill Buckleys new book on Joe McCarthy and in the course of that review he noted how Buckley had honed his craft well in chronicling the fictional adventures of his CIA operative, Blackford Oakes. Now, the Blackford Oakes spy novels are well, spy novels. So this ones pretty clear.


On September 22nd, 1997 Novak noted to the role of Bob, someone whom he referred to as an undercover CIA agent who got pulled into the Roger Tamraz phase of the campaign finance scandal. Later in the same column Novak referred to Bob as a CIA operative. Ergo, undercover CIA agent equals CIA operative.

On September 18th, 1997 Novak referred to this same Bob on CNN as an an undercover CIA operative.

I also did a quick search for Novaks references to CIA analyst or agency analyst I found three --- each clearly referring to people who were in fact analysts.


I dont think requires too much commentary, does it?

Clearly, Novak knows the meaning of the phrase CIA operative and he uses it advisedly. In the last decade hes never used the phrase to mean anything but clandestine agents.


Lets cut the mumbo-jumbo: past evidence suggests that Novak only uses this phrase to refer to clandestine agents. In this case, when he has every reason to run away from that meaning of the phrase, he suddenly runs away from that meaning. Especially with all the other evidence at hand, that just defies credibility. Everything points to the conclusion that Novak did know. That would mean, necessarily, that his sources knew too.


The we didnt know cover story just doesnt wash.

Lies and the lying liars that say them....
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He seems to have problems finding things...osama, saddam, traitors in his white house.

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hehe...that's BRILLIANT.
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chu_bakka, thanks for the heads up on frontline...

very intrested...

looks like everyone has been had. even the neo-cons via chalibi...
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They Said it:

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/10/ana03003.html

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SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TN)



"The reason we have this whole special counsel entity is to remove conflict of interest. It's important, if you're looking at the executive side, not to have the Department of Justice investigating the executive side."



- Chattanooga Free Press, 3/21/97: regarding campaign finance investigation


SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R-PA)

"The fundamental purpose of appointing an independent counsel was to have someone in charge who was not allied with the administration, not beholden to the administration, and not motivated in any way to favor the administration."

- Congressional Record, 9/16/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

SEN ORRIN HATCH (R-UT)

"Both prudence and the American people's ability to have confidence that the investigation remains free of a conflict of interest warrants the appointment of an independent counsel."

- Congressional Record, 3/14/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

"To the extent that any prosecutor is accountable to the executive branch, there inevitably will be pressure not to investigate and prosecute aggressively scandals at the highest levels of government - an inherent conflict of interest."

- The Independent Counsel Statute and Questions about Its Future, Law & Contemporary Problems (Winter 1999): academic article on Independent Counsel Statute

SEN. TRENT LOTT (R-MS)

"Where you have the possibility of the appearance of conflict of interest within the administration, you should go to independent counsel."

- Face the Nation, 03/02/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

Senator Lott said that an independent counsel is warranted where there are "allegations of illegal activity by high up officials that meet certain criteria in the administration, or conversely, where there is the appearance of the potential of conflict of interests from the attorney general, Justice Department with administration officials."

- Press Conference, 3/6/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

SEN. JOHN ASHCROFT (R-MO)

"A single allegation can be most worthy of a special prosecutor. If you're abusing government property, if you're abusing your status in office, it can be a single fact that makes the difference on that."

- Evans and Novak, 10/4/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

SEN. ROBERT BENNETT (R-UT)

"The reason we have an independent counsel operation is because the Attorney General is indeed subject to pressure from the White House."

- Congressional Record, 3/19/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

SEN. CHUCK HAGEL (R-NE)

"Criminal investigations should be taken out of politics. Prosecuting wrongdoing should be done without regard to politics. The Attorney General needs to appoint an independent counsel now."

- Congressional Record, 3/17/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

SEN. FRED THOMPSON (R-TN)

"Throughout our history in this country, when we've had problems in the White House, when people who are close to the president had problems, we've just about always had somebody independent come in and take a look at it."

- Meet the Press, 12/7/97: regarding campaign finance investigation

"It is very difficult if not impossible for the Attorney General and the Justice Department to investigate the president and other high- ranking government officials in the executive branch of government without an obvious conflict of interest."

- Government Affairs Committee Hearing, 3/17/99: regarding the reauthorization of the Independent Counsel Act
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WASHINGTON, D.C. - Representative John Conyers, Jr., the Ranking Member, on the House Judiciary Committee sent the following letter to Senior White House Advisor, Karl Rove, asking for his resignation:




October 7, 2003



Dear Mr. Rove:



I write to ask you to resign from the White House staff. Recent press reports have indicated that, while you may or may not have been the source of the Robert Novak column which revealed the status and name of a covert operative, the wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson, you were involved in a subsequent effort to push this classified information to other reporters and give it even wider currency. This itself may be a federal crime, but regardless of that fact, your actions are morally indefensible.



In my view, it is shameful and unethical that an Administration that promised to govern with "honor and integrity" and "change the tone" in Washington has now engaged in an orchestrated campaign to smear and intimidate truth-telling critics, placing them in possible physical harm and impairing the efforts and operations of the CIA.
Recent reports indicate that you told the journalist, Chris Matthews, and perhaps others, that Mr. Wilson's wife and her undercover status were "fair game." Evan Thomas and Michael Isikoff, Newsweek, Oct. 13, 2003. Since these initial allegations have arisen, neither the White House nor your office have denied your involvement in furthering the leak.



Repeated press inquiries into this matter have been rebuffed with technical jargon and narrow legalisms, instead of broader ethical issues. Indeed, in the same article it appears a White House source acknowledged that you contacted Matthews and other journalists, indicating that "it was reasonable to discuss who sent Wilson to Niger."
It should be noted that these actions may well have violated 18 U.S.C. § 793, which prohibits the willful or grossly negligent distribution of national defense information that could possibly be used against the United States. The law states that even if you lawfully knew of



Mr. Wilson's wife's status, you were obliged to come forward and report the press leak to the proper authorities - not inflame the situation by encouraging further dissemination. 18 U.S.C. § 793(f). Larger than whether any one statute can be read to find criminal responsibility is the issue of whether officials of your stature will be allowed to use their influence to intimidate whistle-blowers.



Over three decades ago, our nation was scarred by an Administration that would stop at nothing to smear and intimidate its critics. I do not believe the Nation will countenance a repeat of such activities. For your role in this campaign, I would ask that you resign immediately.



Sincerely,



John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Minority Member



cc: The Honorable F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Chairman
Committee on the Judiciary
post #424 of 498
keyboard12, that's a great letter and effectively makes my point. At this point, is there any legitimate defense for Rove?
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If i were to advise K-A-R-L, i would tell him it does not look good. I would also tell him his best defense would be a good offense. Meaning i would ask him if he would be willing to sign an afadavit stating that he had no part in the leak OR did not push this information.

At that point there would be a long pause by him.

He couldn't do it even if he wanted to since he may not have been the original leaker he DEFINATELY pushed the story afterwards which as conyers mentioned is not a thing that commands Honesty or Integrity.There are at least 7 people that could call him on it.

His best bet might be to delay and ignore (i am including the white house) as long as possible. There is still a year away from the election and this man is half bush JUNIOR's brain. Its one thing to rely on other people for the "politics" of the country over the next year (mr cheney i am looking in your direction) but come Jan. of next year, bush has to start the relection machine.

This is where K-A-R-L will be missed MOST. Don't get me wrong, come hell or highwater (fired or put in jail) K-A-R-L will still be supplying politcal advice to Bush JUNIOR (even if its from a jail cell on devil's island) because Bush JUNIOR knows he would not be anything without K-A-R-L's work. (and his daddy's) He needs him so he needs him along as long as possible. So as his daddy would say, "Stay the Course.."

maybe this is making sense after all...
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Somone posted this in another forum

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Psst! John Conyers wife is now fair game. Pass it on!
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The Washington Post does their duty again. Most of the rest of the media still asleep at the wheel...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Oct11.html

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That same week, two top White House officials disclosed Plame's identity to least six Washington journalists, an administration official told The Post for an article published Sept. 28. The source elaborated on the conversations last week, saying that officials brought up Plame as part of their broader case against Wilson.



"It was unsolicited," the source said. "They were pushing back. They used everything they had."
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They ain't going to find him.
The can't find saddam hussein.
The can't find ossama bin laden.
How can they find the leaker?
...They ain't going to look for him...
That sonofabitch is the safest person in the world.
I can promise you that.

---James Carville on last nights episode of K-Street.
post #429 of 498
They're starting to use the I word .

It's not for the CIA outrage (yet) but he's open to impeachment on so many counts and made so many f** ups that something's gonna hit where it hurts. Soon.
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Whispers or Truth?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...0whisplead.htm

Wilson adds ammo to hit war credibility gap



Just as former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's story that Bushies blew his CIA wife's cover to get back at his criticism of the war in Iraq was getting old, he has stumbled on new ammo to hit the administration's credibility. Wilson tells us he plans to circulate the text of a briefing by analyst Sam Gardiner that suggests the White House and Pentagon made up or distorted over 50 war stories. You know some tall tales, like the Pvt. Jessica Lynch story. But there's more, says Gardiner, a war gamer who has taught at the National War College. Like how defense officials said the first Iraqi unit marines encountered, the 51st Mechanized Infantry Division, had surrendered four days before it actually did. And he says Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers gave bad or deliberately incomplete info on several topics. Sure, propaganda has always been used in war to deceive and demoralize the enemy. But these guys went way overboard, Gardiner says. "Never before have so many stories been created to sell a war," he insists. "And they probably didn't need it."

The PDFs on the same page. What's up with those?

Pentagon war story credibility briefing:
Pages (PDF) 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-56
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Originally posted by keyboardf12
They ain't going to find him.
The can't find saddam hussein.
The can't find ossama bin laden.
How can they find the leaker?
...They ain't going to look for him...
That sonofabitch is the safest person in the world.
I can promise you that.

---James Carville on last nights episode of K-Street.

god i love carville! i'd like to hang out at that house for a while.
it'd be like appleoutsider all day!
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Originally posted by keyboardf12
Whispers or Truth?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...0whisplead.htm

Wilson adds ammo to hit war credibility gap



Just as former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's story that Bushies blew his CIA wife's cover to get back at his criticism of the war in Iraq was getting old, he has stumbled on new ammo to hit the administration's credibility. Wilson tells us he plans to circulate the text of a briefing by analyst Sam Gardiner that suggests the White House and Pentagon made up or distorted over 50 war stories. You know some tall tales, like the Pvt. Jessica Lynch story. But there's more, says Gardiner, a war gamer who has taught at the National War College. Like how defense officials said the first Iraqi unit marines encountered, the 51st Mechanized Infantry Division, had surrendered four days before it actually did. And he says Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers gave bad or deliberately incomplete info on several topics. Sure, propaganda has always been used in war to deceive and demoralize the enemy. But these guys went way overboard, Gardiner says. "Never before have so many stories been created to sell a war," he insists. "And they probably didn't need it."

The PDFs on the same page. What's up with those?

Pentagon war story credibility briefing:
Pages (PDF) 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-56

I'm looking forward to going through these.
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Man o Man! In my book carville is a god. I'd work for him cleaning toilets if he asked.

i just noticed that the "War Room" is out on dvd. I must pick up that inspirational piece of art...

Giant,

yes. I'm super workn right now otherwise i'de be going thru the PDFs. i want to know exactly who the guy is that wrote them. Is he above board in the military circles?

this thing could get explosive. I mean i already heard the J lynch thing was staged to make us look better but other parts?

Hmm....
post #434 of 498
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Po...1014_poll.html

Quote:
There are newer troubles as well: More than eight in 10 continue to see the alleged White House leak of a CIA operative's identity as a "serious matter," and the number who think the administration is fully cooperating in the investigation has declined to 39 percent. About two-thirds still favor appointment of an outside special counsel to look into the matter.


Looks like most american's don't agree with your mr. "president"...
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Why has this issue dissapeared?

Is it because the Admin came out and said that its council would likely not find the guilty party?

Is that really all it takes to put an end to a very serious investigation?

if so, then we need a new investigative body!!!!
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

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"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

Reply
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Quote:
Is it because the Admin came out and said that its council would likely not find the guilty party?

I think a large part of the blaim has to go to our so called "liberal" media.

The story was born in july of this year.David corn broke the story re bob nofacts and the outing. It was ignored for the most part. The nytimes to this day has not contributed anything to this. Most of the rest of the media has been asleep at the wheel or worse cowtowing to bush JUNIOR's press dept.

I think right now we are in the pre "gap dress" stage of the investigation. from now until jan. i really don't know if anything big will happen but come next year it becomes a major political story by the democrats running for prez. And right fully so.

If this had been clinton. His decaying body would still be hung up by his fingernails in washinton square...

The "president' said he would do anything to find ossam. to get saddam. and yet when it comes to a "insidious traitor" (those are daddy's words JUNIOR, not mine) within his own walls he puts up his hands and says "its a big goverment, we may never find the leaker."

You may not find him "prez" but you know or you know who knows who it is.

Lie. Deceive. Go to war. Tax cuts.

Bush JUNIOR does not know much, but he knows one thing. There is a traitor in his midst and the best thing for him would have been to get all of this out last month. But he did not. This means it political liablity going into the next election.


But hey. At least the media has got that Kobe case covered
post #437 of 498
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Mr Ashcroft is saying he's looking for the "blue gap dress" dress but do we believe him?

Why this press conference?

Just PR to help the presidents bottom scraping pol numbers...?


Quote:
Ashcroft Says His Investigators Have Made Gains in Leak Case

Ashcroft Says His Investigators Have Made Gains in Leak Case
Winvestigation into the disclosure of an undercover C.I.A. officer's identity, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Thursday that investigators had made good progress but that he had not ruled out removing himself from the case.

Mr. Ashcroft also left open the possibility of appointing a special counsel to take over the case and of approving subpoenas to reporters in order to find the source of the leak. "I have not foreclosed any options in this matter," he said.

With the investigation now ending its third week, Mr. Ashcroft said: "I believe that we have been making progress that's valuable in this matter. And we will devote every energy that's available, and every resource that's available at the highest level of intensity."

The attorney general's comments were his most expansive and forceful to date on the politically charged investigation into whether Bush administration officials illegally disclosed the identity of the C.I.A. officer to the columnist Robert Novak.

The investigation has become a political tempest for the Bush administration because of accusations that unnamed officials leaked the officer's identity in an effort to intimidate her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson IV, a critic of the intelligence that the administration used to justify the war in Iraq.

Democrats have called on Mr. Ashcroft to appoint a special counsel or recuse himself because of his close political ties to White House officials. Senate Democrats sought to introduce an amendment on Thursday to an Iraqi spending bill that would have called on Mr. Ashcroft to bring in a special counsel, but Republicans blocked the vote.

The White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, in a letter dated Wednesday to two Democratic senators, Charles E. Schumer of New York and Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, said the administration had worked to ensure the integrity of the investigation.

Mr. Gonzales said White House officials "have already forwarded on a rolling basis thousands of pages of documents" to the Justice Department in response to investigators' request for relevant records on Mr. Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame.
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They made a commercial out of it:

http://mfile.akamai.com/8082/mov/www...g_worse_hi.mov


Meanwhile the "liberal" media still is allowing JUNIOR to harbor a traitor in the white house by shirking their reporting responsiblities...
post #439 of 498
Quote:
Originally posted by keyboardf12
They made a commercial out of it:

http://mfile.akamai.com/8082/mov/www...g_worse_hi.mov


Meanwhile the "liberal" media still is allowing JUNIOR to harbor a traitor in the white house by shirking their reporting responsiblities...

boy, that add has all the earmarks of ugly propaganda . . . even if it is about a worthy cause


. . . I mean all the direct assertions of treason over images of Bush which point then to him directly . . . that's the kind of stuff tht turns me off
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

Reply
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

Reply
post #440 of 498
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A UK reporter (surprise, surprise) has just written this story with a small plume affair tidbit:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...065804,00.html


Quote:
There is worse to come for Mr Bush in the next few weeks. The leak investigation is expected to gather steam and will either produce a culprit close to the Oval Office or provoke claims of a whitewash.


Supposedly...this reporter knows (is one of the 7) who knows who leaked this. Is he just talking in generalities or is he hinting..

???
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