This is REAL treason Ann Coulter: Someone is going to Jail or worse! - Page 3

My point was that I could no better job of proving the folks posting here look ridiculous than they themselves are doing.

Besides why pick a fight when the people here do so enjoy arguing into the air. Half the posts aren't even to anyone, just screaming about someone did something bad and darn it, it is time for revenge for Clinton.

It's more fun to watch a dog chase it's tail than to argue with it that it shouldn't be a dog. Likewise it's more fun to watch blood thirsty irrational, politically sold out leftist partisans make boobs of themselves than to argue with them as to why they shouldn't be that which they clearly demonstrate.

As for this, I assure you that based off what I have read both from the links here and just around, I'm not worried about it.

Nick

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Sep27.html

it is pretty clear that someone in the White House is upset with other officials outing Plame. And that's why they are talking to the Washington Post about it.


"Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. Wilson had just revealed that the CIA had sent him to Niger last year to look into the uranium claim and that he had found no evidence to back up the charge. Wilson's account touched off a political fracas over Bush's use of intelligence as he made the case for attacking Iraq.

"Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge," the senior official said of the alleged leak.

Sources familiar with the conversations said the leakers were seeking to undercut Wilson's credibility. They alleged that Wilson, who was not a CIA employee, was selected for the Niger mission partly because his wife had recommended him. Wilson said in an interview yesterday that a reporter had told him that the leaker said, "The real issue is Wilson and his wife."

A source said reporters quoted a leaker as describing Wilson's wife as "fair game."

The official would not name the leakers for the record and would not name the journalists. The official said there was no indication that Bush knew about the calls.

He said that if Novak's account is accurate, the leak was part of "a deliberate attempt on the part of the White House to intimidate others and make them think twice about coming forward."




REMEMBER... this is coming from another Administration official. Someone is unhappy with how the Politcal side of the adminstration is conducting business.

But we can narrow it down to a very small group of people. it would have to be someone worthy of the label senior (which is a very specific term in political journalism) and it actually is someone from the white house, as pointed out by the source (probably tenet) in the Post.

So if you look at the people worthy of the title 'senior white house official' or even 'senior admin official' it's clear that at least one of the people was Rove. The other one is a mystery to me.

See, when you talk about it in a legal sense, you are always going to have ways of talking your way into a fantasy land where despite the clearly obvious facts, the opposite is true. But when you deal with the facts, it is obvious what the situation is. Just like it was with the WMD. This whole BS where folks try to pretend the situation is more ambiguous than it really is got us into Iraq. It was BS then and it's BS now.

Well I guess Josh Marshall's theory that it's Tenet makes the most sense. He could be pissed because 1) it's a CIA person they're talking about, and 2) the administration hasn't treated him very well in the past.

If it does prove out I'm sure we won't be hearing from you for awhile

Politcally sold? You should try listening to yourself sometime.
And you know maybe it is revenge time for Clinton. I got so tired of hearing about that incident way after it was over by conservatives who couldn't come up with anything better. Attempting to turn it into their " Watergate ". At the same time I was reminded of republican presidents who have done far worse. And guess what? What they did actually had something to do with their job ( I'm talking about the sex part which they seemed to focus on so much not the lying to the american public ).

One thing's for sure. We went to war on a false premise. There are no WOMD. There was no big threat. Also it cost a truckload of money. our money.

The other thing is Bush's mismanagement of our economy. Yup, he's really got some record breakers there. Also just because it looks like things are improving doesn't mean he couldn't do the same thing to us again ( 87 billion ).

Look Bush is bad for the democrats, he's bad for the republicans. He's bad for you and me. If something happens to bring the truth out into the light on this......yeah you bet I'll be jumping for joy!


What's wrong with a little revenge ( if it involves the truth )?

And then there's the other part: what other 'senior administration official' could possibly have been the source? Go down the list and test it on each one. Maybe I'm forgetting one, so if there is someone that can point out another possibility, let's hear it.

All I can say is that I'm glad Nowak said what he said. It would be much worse if the leak happened (as it supposedly did 6 times?) and it wasn't as public as it is. If that information had gotten out through less publicized means it could have gotten into the hands of someone that could have caused some damage. Instead, everyone knows about the leak so the damage is done and can do no more.

Three cheers for the free press.

Three cheers for the two administration "aides" and it's lackey pundit for probably ruining someones career!

uhg.

Ain't it ironic that she is siad to have worked in the area of weapons proliferation... talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

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That's pretty good!

There's definitely a rift between the White House and it's intelligence agencies... and you really don't want to f@ck with those guys. That's when leaks starting coming out about the stuff they have on you.

How pissed would you be if you're Plame's boss and her cover and her subordinates covers have been blown? Nevermind the years of work that goes into creating sources around the world. Maybe very little harm was done... but the CIA doesn't like when people screw with them.

Just to be clear...

The CIA said she IS under the Classified status.

from MSNBC:

2ND LETTER AFFIRMED CALL FOR PROBE
Ê Ê Ê ÊCIA lawyers sent the Justice Department an informal notice of the alleged leak in July, two senior officials told NBC News on Monday.
Ê Ê Ê ÊAlthough that letter, which was not signed by CIA Director George Tenet, was not a formal request for an investigation, the Justice Department could have opened one at that point, lawyers said. It remained unclear whether it did so.
Ê Ê Ê ÊCIA lawyers followed up the notification this month by answering 11 questions from the Justice Department, affirming that the womanÕs identity was classified, that whoever released it was not authorized to do so and that the news media would not have been able to guess her identity without the leak, the senior officials said.
Ê Ê Ê ÊThe CIA response to the questions, which is itself classified, said there were grounds for a criminal investigation, the sources said.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973047.asp?0cv=CA01

WE CORNERED HIM, again.

Remember, trumptman, the last time you tried arguing without anything on your side? I'm glad the feelings of the right are on the table now. We are "blood thirsty irrational, politically sold out leftist partisans make boobs of themselves ." Wow. Way to contribute, buddy. (as you would invariably say in any one of your 10,000 threads).

Regardless, I'm sure those on the right are angry that senior administration officials have let them down- as they have let down an entire nation regardless of political affiliation. Right?

Yes, Shawn except for you forget an important point. I don't call you out into discussions. I don't post and say "Hey Shawn take a shot at this and here's what you are if you don't or haven't."

Or perhaps you have forgotten this little post...



Shawn, are you playing with those dolls again? Have you been taking the Mr. Trumptman doll and making him argue with you when all the children won't play with you again?

Cornered... last time I argued with nothing on my side. I would love to see that one.

I didn't try to spin this. There hasn't been anything "contributed" by anyone to argue/spin. All we have is an inquiry for information that could lead to a possible investigation by the Department of Justice.

Does that mean Bush, Rove or anyone else is innocent? I would assume so until proven otherwise but heck they could be guilty. Nothing is impossible(though improbable) and at this point we pretty much know nothing. It is all conspiracy theories.

So why argue conspiracy theories with folks who clearly want Bush gone no matter what the cost? I mean there are folks here basically asking whether we should put his head on a wooden stick or on the wrought iron gates of the White House. Let them have their fun. Why should I spoil it?

Let's give Shawn some homework. As a lawyer he should always be able to argue both sides of a case. What fine legal reasoning would you deploy against these fine arguments?


Or perhaps this...


How about this deductive piece..


Wow deep...


more...


And...


Yes I haven't argued, but rather have sat back and enjoyed the rabid replies to the initial post. That and the "exclusives" coming from a writers blog page which are "factual evidence" of wrong doing.


Deep belly laughs... keep'em coming.

Nick

Criticize what I said if you can. Otherwise don't quote me.

Thanks.

So you want to turn this into a pro/anti-death penalty thread? I know you can't be serious because from what I recall you don't even support the death penalty.

So you prove my point. It is all just hot air. How can I criticize you for claiming Rove should get the death penalty when you don't support the dealth penalty?

Ladies and gentleman, for your viewing pleasure... bunge refuted by... bunge....


And this one...


I mean as bunge-ling and incapable as the government is in Illinois with death penalty convictions, how could we ever trust them with a errorless defense against a presidental advisor like Rove?



Love ya, mean it...

Nick

In relevant news, CNN has at least changed the headline to something at least slightly honest: White House will cooperate but not investigate CIA leak

Why do you continue to lie? Why can't you just try to be honest for one discussion?

I've said many times I don't support it, but if we are going to have it then I want it used equitably. That means death to any cop caught taking a bribe. Death to the treasonous politicians. Not just death to poor black people. I've said this in other threads but you choose to ignore it (lie) to try and prove a point that you know is incorrect.

Are you done lying yet?

It's common practice to include a link to a quote so others can go and research in context things that people quote here.

Here's another link to this story, which was published over a month ago: http://www.wiolawapress.com/karl.htm

The Nation also published an article on this scandal a few weeks back. Strange how slow the regular media is on to uptake. But mind, Watergate started subtlely, as a small article in the unnoticed backwaters of the newpapers.

According to the article, Karl Rove's real name is Karl Roverer (umlaut over the 'o'). He has dual U.S.-German citizenship, and an an aside, his grandfather was a partner in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbüro AG company that built the Dachenau Nazi concentration camp. (He's not the only grandad of Bush admin. folks who supported Nz Germany....). The acorn never falls far from the tree.

oi!

You are amazing in your denseness. You said to criticize my quote of you. I said I couldn't because it wasn't a true characterization of what you believe, even though it was typed by you. I said you don't support the death penalty.

You then say, "you lie" and that you don't support the death penalty.

How is it a lie to say you wouldn't really support the death penalty for Rove for leaking information about an unharmed CIA agent, (not even rape, murder or something else of that nature) when you say yourself that you don't support the death penalty.

Nevermind, as I mentioned, dog's chasing their tails. I should have known better.....Now I'm a LIAR for saying you don't support the death penalty when you admit you don't support it... classic....

Likewise you say that it is applied unevenly. I even said how could you trust the government to make a case strong enough to convict Rove when as you claim yourself, they can only seem to convict poor black folks. You claim it is a lie of omission because you would endorse two wrongs in an attempt to make a right. If anything I truthfully presented your position because you DON'T support the death penalty. If I were going to lie about you, I would distort the two wrongs position into an attempt to portray you as a death penalty supporter of which you are not.

As for the links, you can do the search yourself. User name, bunge, keywords death penalty. You and Shawn should both get off your "guilt by omission" kick. Everyone here has access to the search function, knows your handle, and can type the words death penalty. Nothing is being kept from anyone. If you want me to link to you while using you to refute you, that is your problem and you can link to yourself if you want.(say that three times fast)

Chase that tail boy, chase it....

Nick

Just keep lying then. As I've said before, if we're going to use it I want it used equitably. If Rove did this, I support him getting the chair for it. If some politician wants to abolish the death penalty, I'm doubly for that.

You call me dense, but you can't understand what I just wrote.

I say we send Karl as an enemy combatant to Gitmo sans lawyers before trying and executing him via a no-appeals military tribunal.

My that was hollow.

This one also. Keep blanks in your gun do ya?

I just wanted to say I would engage Trumpetman in a discussion but in the past that has proven pointless as he is only slightly better at dancing with words than SDW. So I figure a comment would suffice and be a better use of energy and time.

Moving on:

Rove needs to disappear. I wonder if there has ever been a person in american politics that has undermined american democracy to the degree he has. Maybe someone needs to tell him that he's not in college anymore.

I fully understand it. So tell my bunge, what do you think is the probability of getting not only a conviction of Rove, but a stronge enough conviction that Rove would be sentenced to death.

It's easy to claim support for the impossible.

You don't believe it possible to apply the death penalty equitably. You don't believe it would be given to Rove. So you can claim support for something that will never happen so that support will never be tested.

Hey I support Bill running for a third term. I mean sure it would require a Constitutional amendment that I don't support, but hey, if he got it passed I would vote him.

You are a funny, funny man... really....

Nick

I'm still surprised that Tenet wasn't transferred to CIA/McMurdo Icebase after September 11, 2001.

Y'all Lib'rals might, might want ta look at this here link from the Theistic Crowd over t' WorldNetDaily:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=34835

The choicest morsals:
What did appear relevant could easily be found in what the CIA would call "open sources." For example, Mr. Wilson had long been a bitter critic of the current administration, writing in such left-wing publications as The Nation that under President Bush, "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness" and had "imperial ambitions."

What's more, he was affiliated with the pro-Saudi Middle East Institute and he had recently been the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions and the no-fly zones that protected Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

Mr. Wilson is now saying (on C-SPAN this morning, for example) that he opposed military action in Iraq because he didn't believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he foresaw the possibility of a difficult occupation. In fact, prior to the U.S. invasion, Mr. Wilson told ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat."

Equally, important and also overlooked: Mr. Wilson had no apparent background or skill as an investigator. As Mr. Wilson himself acknowledged, his so-called investigation was nothing more than "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" at the U.S. embassy in Niger. Based on those conversations, he concluded that "it was highly doubtful that any [sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq] had ever taken place."


""...eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" at the U.S. embassy in Niger." What intrigue! What a tiger! What a Field Agent! Now that's the stuff of James Bond!
Run away! Agent Wilson is in town!
"My name? Wilson. Joseph Wilson the fourth."
"Martini? Perish the thought! Tea, please; sweet mint tea.

Oh, Washington's going to be ablaze over this one! War of 1812 all over again! Keep yelling that President Bush is a traitor, fellows! The American People will just love you for that!

Ha!

Aries 1B

(Funny how this dust up is treason, yet when Saint Jack Anderson published the name of an American Intelligence Asset in the Soviet Union (which resulted in the asset's death by torture), the Democrats were, by and large, outrage-less).

Hanna and McKinley around this time last century.

Yes it is terrible to be accused of typing the same thing over and over...


Nick

What are you? 10?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc....interview.pdf

Please, do yourself a favor and actually know what you are talking about before you post.

Oh my god distraction tactic # 1,529!

LOL@giant ...love that graphic...it describes some people's drivel so accurately. I should've used it on another thread to quote womenbeater's non sensical mega posts. Static makes more sense than them.

Back on topic, this could have serious implications for the administration if there's an investigation and the source does prove to be K. Rove(or have his blessing). If the press stay at it, then maybe we'll get to the bottom of this and find out if it merits firings or prosecutions.I seriously doubt it's going to go anywhere.

I tuned in to Crossfire today just to watch Novak squirm and try to weasel himself out of this one. How can this person have any credibility at all if now the "operative" in his article is "just" an "analyst"? Or after it comes out that he has lent himself to do other's dirty work in the past?

I liked the Democratic Representative who had enough class to even try to help his Republican colleague pull his foot out of his mouth before he ended in total ridicule.

Oh my god, dimissive one line comment # 3,454



Nick

Yes of course the man that reported the name should never be trusted to say where it came from. That would never fit with your agenda. CNN hired him too so obviously they are part of the grand Bush/Rove scheme.

Serious implications... and because Gilsh said so too... so convincing..wow..really... amazing...

I like how you try to label me with a wife around a womanbeater. I suppose it is because you have had to declare your left hand your lover. I mean in that sense I suppose you are a "beater" as well, you just misunderstand how the word is applied. Self love = beat your meat, but wife love doesn't = beat your wife. Hope that is clear for you now.

Nick