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post #1 of 51
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Hello there AIers,

I'm a student (low cash flow) but need to replace my ailing powerbook 540c that I use to complement my iMac DVSE400.

The powerbook is used during the whole weekend, as I am working and not at home, and i basically use it as a wordprocessing (Wordperfect) and internet station (iCab), since i've got access to the place's network.

The powerbook is dying, would need some power thingy resoldering if I am right and maybe a keyboard replacement. Now, I paid 400$ close to 3 years ago for it (along with a stupid 300$ for 2 new batteries). This leaves me with:

Options:

1) pay something like 100-150$ to have the PB repaired, hope it keeps running reliably.

2)get a used powerbook (maybe a PPC 2400) for about 300$, hope it runs reliably.

3)get a new ibook for about 1500$

I could (maybe should) sell my iMac for this but (feeling real ridiculous about this) I just love it so much! It's been to most reliable machine i've ever used and It still feels fresh and new to me...

Any insight ?

What are your views on used machines? My powerbook was great, and if I hadn't bought those batteries, would be a great deal...

Thanks
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post #2 of 51
Get the iBook and never look back.
post #3 of 51
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Just to add in:

Doesn't anyone else feel uncomfortable with a laptop as your only computer?

Maybe I'm too used to having a desktop, but I don't like the idea of having "my whole life to go" close to being "my whole life gone 'cause i've been unlucky (or stupid)"...

Having such a powerfull laptop (actually faster that my desktop) would throw me off a bit, what is the use of the desktop then?
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post #4 of 51
[quote]Originally posted by Matvei:
<strong>Just to add in:

Doesn't anyone else feel uncomfortable with a laptop as your only computer?

Maybe I'm too used to having a desktop, but I don't like the idea of having "my whole life to go" close to being "my whole life gone 'cause i've been unlucky (or stupid)"...

Having such a powerfull laptop (actually faster that my desktop) would throw me off a bit, what is the use of the desktop then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Before I got my iBook in JUne my main computer was an iBook. Now my only computer (gave my iMac to my brother inlaw) is my iBook and I don't regret getting it one bit. It really is a great machine and will serve you very well and now that the iBooks are 100 MHz faster and have a faster system bus than mine they're even a better buy. Go for the iBook and you'll never look back.
post #5 of 51
My main computers have been laptops for several years and I find it way better than a desktop. For most things. Rendering video and stuff. But, yeah, laptops rule. Just get an external monitor.
post #6 of 51
Depends on how important the money issue is. If it is the most important factor it would almost make sense to get the machine repaired, except fo the increased likelyhood of failure later. If you get another machine, get the iBook, get the student discount (you are in college right?) and pay less than 1500 for a mchine with a warranty, some cool engineering and everything you need in a machine.
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post #7 of 51
Thread Starter 
I should gather the strength to sell the iMac then?

It feels like selling a child! (That's so geeky...)

Anyone with ideas about justifying the iMac in this situation? aside from backup...
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post #8 of 51
[quote]Originally posted by Matvei:
<strong>I should gather the strength to sell the iMac then?

It feels like selling a child! (That's so geeky...)

Anyone with ideas about justifying the iMac in this situation? aside from backup...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sell the iBook unless you have the money to afford the iBook without selling the iMac. I think it's always good to have a spare machine around.
post #9 of 51
I'd suggest getting the iBook & selling the iMac as long as your not really a big 3D gamer (which would make the iMac a poor choice anyway).

You'll probably want an external monitor, you can probably pick up a used 17" one in good shape for around $100. Additionally I'd suggest a backup external Firewire drive. It'll provide you with a way to backup your data & be used as a quick boot disk if something were to happen to your internal drive. Additionally it's possible that you could loose (unlikely) or have the ibook stolen (unlikely if your careful) & so it'd be a life saver to have all your data backed up onto your Fire Wire drive siting back at home (of course you'd have to get a new computer but ... at least you wouldn't have lost all your documents/settings/apps).
post #10 of 51
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I'm not a gamer at all (although CIV3 wil probably change this...).

Anyone going the dual desktop-laptop route?

Students, what's your setup?

Help me justify keeping the iMac...

Decisions, decisions...

Matvei

BTW: thanks to all who replied.
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post #11 of 51
i've got a b&w g3 400 oc'ed to 450/13gig/256Ram/4xBurner/Radeon 32mb/17'inch apple studio display

i am in college.
i love this machine, and it pains me when i start checking out similar machines to find a price to sell it for, why? because after 1 quarter of college i can see how much an ibook would help me. taking notes in class, writing papers wherever i am whenever i want, being able to get out of the loudass dorms to find a place to write, write papers or do research while at my girlfriends house, when i go home for a weekend or break, airport!! slap a base station in my room and type while in bed, leech off the mac airport networks around campus - your life to go.
after i got my hands on one at our campus apple store i just realized how much sense it made.

i'd say sell what you got and buy an ibook - i've heard nothing but good things, people love these little books-and for a student it makes perfect sense, at least for me.

but with all these lcd imac rumors i've been torn! yeah, i'd like a g5 ghz- but me thinks it'd be outta my price range. . .
post #12 of 51
Get the iBook. It will feel incredibly refreshing to hav esolid new hardware under your fingertips. Keep the old one thouguh. That might be a valuable antique someday.
post #13 of 51
I don't know how to advise you, but I'll tell you what I've done. Maybe you can glean something useful from it.

I got a DP G4/500 a year ago last July (right when they came out). I loaded it up with RAM, put another 30 GB drive in it, got an AGP Radeon and PCI Rage Pro for dual 17" monitors. I put in an UltraSCSI card for a backup hard drive and a burner I had lying around (from the old 604e days).

After I got everything set up and going, it was great. However, I was still missing something. I am away from home frequently, traveling a lot. Both driving and flying. I often was in a hotel with an internet connection, but no machine. I too am a college student (I don't live in the dorms) and we have a wireless network in the buildings where the classes are held. My computer science (Java 2 programming) class was being taught in a lab of Pentium II 300s, and I couldn't stand it.

I got a Ti PB G4 500 last January and it has seen equal use as my desktop. (incidentally, it had a cosmetic defect and Apple just replaced it with a Ti PB 667. Thanks Apple.)

I am frequently thankful that I have a capable desktop AND a capable laptop. They really aren't substitutes for each other. Both have very excellent and specialized uses.

I guess if it is possible, you should keep both the iMac and the iBook (you'll probably get shafted if you sell the iMac anyway). You will not regret it.

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post #14 of 51
Thread Starter 
That's just the thing... It's still such a great machine that I'd never get what it's worth for it. Not what I paid, but what I feel it's worth.
If it was slow or unreliable, i'd have no problem selling it, but it's just a perfect desktop for me... I know I need a portable but I was always able to rationalize it by having the powerbook be an "antique".
If I bought a 2400c, i'd never feel so distressed about wasting an iMac on my desk... It would truly be a companion.
God! I never had this feeling about my PCs (i'm a mac convert 1999). After 2 years, I was looking forward to getting rid of them!
Damn you Apple for building such great machines...
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post #15 of 51
You could always keep your iMac, and buy a used rev 1 iBook for cheap on ebay.
I'm looking into getting one, because the prices are not bad at all.
post #16 of 51
Don't waste your money for the reparation of an old computer.
i have a G3 300 powerbook , he is quite fine i paid it some 5000$ three years ago, and do you know what ? for 1500 $ the new i book is far better in any tasks, at the exception fo the screen wich is a little smaller
post #17 of 51
I still say you're just better off getting a new iBook (or maybe a 500MHz iBook) and if you can keep the iMac then keep it, otherwise sel it.
post #18 of 51
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I'd love a tangerine iBook! The price is a bit too close to the new ones though...

How would you feel about using a 2400 today? I keep hearing about GLOD problems, trackpad problems, IO problems, etc...

How reliable are they?

Are airport cards cardbus only? Can ou find a 16bit one?

What was your setup Escher? Didn't you have an iMac and a comet?

I need to decide this week...
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post #19 of 51
Airport cards aren't cardbus. They are internal. they fit under the iBook's keyboard. But it is easy to find 2400's w/ cardbus enabled
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post #20 of 51
Well, I am in the same dilema. My Pismo died about 2 months ago and I decided to not get her fixed (£350 UK minimum fee to get her fixed, perhaps up to £500 depending on what was wrong). I sold her for parts, raising about £160, and now I have the same problem as you:

1. Buy an iBook 600/128/15/DVD for £1200 after discounts (I am a student too)
2. Buy a second hand powerbook (3400 or 1400) for £200-£300
3. Buy a PC laptop for about £800 (I know, I know!)
4. Do nothing.

Now, money is very tight, but having a laptop would help me do my research (I am a MSc. student writing my thesis), so it is almost impossible to survive without a laptop. I need to get something. My girlfriend keeps pushing me to get the iBook because she knows it would make me happy, but it is all about the money.

I haven't made up my mind yet.

Hewligan
post #21 of 51
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Hew: Why aren't you considering the 2400? I think it would be the best non-ibook(dual) fit as a companion computer. You do have a desktop, right?

As for the airport, I was just talking about the 802.11b technology. The orinoco or other lucenty type cards were what I meant. Are those cardbus as far a you can tell? I should check their website...
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[quote]Originally posted by Hewligan:
<strong>Well, I am in the same dilema. My Pismo died about 2 months ago and I decided to not get her fixed (£350 UK minimum fee to get her fixed, perhaps up to £500 depending on what was wrong). I sold her for parts, raising about £160, and now I have the same problem as you:

1. Buy an iBook 600/128/15/DVD for £1200 after discounts (I am a student too)
2. Buy a second hand powerbook (3400 or 1400) for £200-£300
3. Buy a PC laptop for about £800 (I know, I know!)
4. Do nothing.

Now, money is very tight, but having a laptop would help me do my research (I am a MSc. student writing my thesis), so it is almost impossible to survive without a laptop. I need to get something. My girlfriend keeps pushing me to get the iBook because she knows it would make me happy, but it is all about the money.

I haven't made up my mind yet.

Hewligan</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think if you get the iBook it'll be worth the money.
post #23 of 51
Sell both machines. Get an iBook.
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post #24 of 51
You can get an iBook (G3/300 Blueberry, new, Open Box) here for not so much:

<a href="http://www.electricdeal.com/cart.php?search=Apple" target="_blank">http://www.electricdeal.com/cart.php?search=Apple</a>

Edit: Added details of which iBook it was.

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post #25 of 51
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Thanks fran, I'd only consider the Tangerine or Keylime iBooks... hehe.

How well does AppleWorks 6 run on a 80MB PB2400c? Is it fast and responsive? How about Office 2001(euuw!)?

As for selling both, I'd probably need to get the 540c repaired before that. Selling for parts is not so attractive. It works ok, when plugged in and with an external keyboard...
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post #26 of 51
Matvei huh?

Seperatist? Or Albanian refugee?

Get the new iBook. It's at an all time low with the 150 dollar canadian rebate. Sell both machines. A quick, but not too attentive, survey of ebay says that you can get about 1000 canadian for a DVSE 400 with few/no extras. How much can you get for a 540 in working order? And how much does it cost to fix it? If you can get another 200, it's time to sell both machines and go for a nice new iBook 600. For another 1000 Canadian, you could get the DVD model. It's faster than your desktop and it has a nicer display, so you'll really only need the one machine. Now is the time to sell -- after January the lower end Macs will probably seem a whole lot slower, and you won't get as much for them. Also, the iBook probably won't get updated for a while yet (making i the safest resale value bet, for now)
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post #27 of 51
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Matvei huh?

Seperatist? Or Albanian refugee?</strong>

soft nationalist with an eastern european affection...

<strong>
A quick, but not too attentive, survey of ebay says that you can get about 1000 canadian for a DVSE 400 with few/no extras.</strong>

Mine is equipped with 640MB or CL2 ram and an iSub. What do you think would be a fair price for that?

I could add a 'Macs for dummies book', a 'who wants to be a millionaire cdrom game'.

Does the Pro mouse cord really too short for the iBook? I should really try it on the left side (I'm a lefty who uses the mouse on his right...). If it is not good for the ibook, i could sell it with it.

<strong>
How much can you get for a 540 in working order? And how much does it cost to fix it? If you can get another 200, it's time to sell both machines and go for a nice new iBook 600.
</strong>

I don't know how much it would cost. 70$CAN an hour I think. So 140$-180$ Canadian maybe?

<strong>
For another 1000 Canadian, you could get the DVD model. It's faster than your desktop and it has a nicer display, so you'll really only need the one machine.</strong>

But what about having a backup machine? One of the reasons I like having a desktop-laptop combo is that if one fails, i've got the other to pick up the slack while the other is ailling...

Also, if I end up being cramped in my 12 inch screen, I'll need to get a monitor. That monitor will be about 300-400$CAN. Isn't having the iMac a way to get the monitor, the backup and security all in a nice package?

<strong>
Now is the time to sell -- after January the lower end Macs will probably seem a whole lot slower, and you won't get as much for them. Also, the iBook probably won't get updated for a while yet (making i the safest resale value bet, for now)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know. This is definatly the best time to sell my iMac... How does murbot do it? doesn't he get attached to his machines?

I just don't know anymore. I'll get a quote on the 540c tomorow. that should be a start.

Thanks for all your help, all comments are extremely welcome.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matvei:
<strong>

How does murbot do it? doesn't he get attached to his machines?
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murbot's just a freak
post #29 of 51
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I'd like Escher's opinion. Doesn't he have an iMac alongside his portables (first a 2400 then a ibook dual)...

I should have put 2400 in the title...


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post #30 of 51
From most accounts the iBook sounds plenty reliable. A small, perhaps second hand, USB or firewire (better the firewire) HDD seems like a really good idea though.

I just had a thought. You're strapped for cash, -- alas, I know the feeling -- so you don't want to spend a ton of money. You could:

A.) sell the iMac and 540 now as discussed and get a new iBook. Then, later on, if you're still worried about a back-up machine, re-buy a used iMac on the cheap. Think of it as leasing out your iMac for two or three months.

or,

B.) Do you plan on buying a faster desktop machine 12-18 months after you buy the iBook? In that case you might consider selling both machines and picking up something a little more humble. Maybe even the Rev A iBook. That might be an even split for you. It'll be slower than your iMac, can you live with the speed difference? However, without investing any extra money in your iBook, you can start putting all your spare computer funds against a new machine sometime in 2002.

But isn't that all a little complicated? Why not just wait to see what 2002 brings and then decide. Fix the 540 if it doesn't cost too much, and just keep plugging away as before.

The next 6 months are kinda a weird time to buy a Mac. There isn't any real guarantee that OSX will get any faster -- personally, I'd bet against it -- so if you plan to use the machine for some of the yet to arrive, and more demanding OSX apps, the wisest choice may be to soldier along with your OS9 machines for another 3-4 months.
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post #31 of 51
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>From most accounts the iBook sounds plenty reliable. A small, perhaps second hand, USB or firewire (better the firewire) HDD seems like a really good idea though. </strong>

Don't these HD's cost something like 299-399$US? This would cancel out the money made from the iMac, no?

Anyone want to try to guess how much a system like mine could be worth?

<strong>
You could:

A.) sell the iMac and 540 now as discussed and get a new iBook. Then, later on, if you're still worried about a back-up machine, re-buy a used iMac on the cheap. Think of it as leasing out your iMac for two or three months.
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That's pretty nifty. Thing is I hardly ever see Macs for sale in montreal... I'd wait a while.

<strong>
or,

B.) Do you plan on buying a faster desktop machine 12-18 months after you buy the iBook? In that case you might consider selling both machines and picking up something a little more humble. Maybe even the Rev A iBook. That might be an even split for you. It'll be slower than your iMac, can you live with the speed difference? However, without investing any extra money in your iBook, you can start putting all your spare computer funds against a new machine sometime in 2002. </strong>

I really don't need a new machine, per se. I just need portability. If I didn't I expect my iMac would be fine until it dies or Mac OS XX won't run on it

I'd like to try the idea of the 2400 and iMac for a while but the 150$ the iBooks is a deal maker.

How is working on the 10.4 800x600 screen?

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But isn't that all a little complicated? Why not just wait to see what 2002 brings and then decide. Fix the 540 if it doesn't cost too much, and just keep plugging away as before.
</strong>

That's an option. I'd lose the 150$CAN rebate though...

<strong>
The next 6 months are kinda a weird time to buy a Mac. There isn't any real guarantee that OSX will get any faster -- personally, I'd bet against it -- so if you plan to use the machine for some of the yet to arrive, and more demanding OSX apps, the wisest choice may be to soldier along with your OS9 machines for another 3-4 months.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm already running X full time on my iMac. It runs real well for my tastes. I'm a little afraid that the slower laptop Hard drives will cripple the experience though...

I could wait for the iBook G5!
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post #32 of 51
I have a feeling that the price drop is going to just stick when each successive 2002 model arrives. Remember how the faster Powerbooks got cheaper too. The same has to happen for the iBook, PowerMac, and Studio Displays. LCD's are much cheaper than when they were originally priced. And the prices of 'Super' and 'combo' and generally every type of optical drive are falling all the time, as are the prices of HDD's.

I think we can expect the current discount prices to describe the normal retail prices by mid 2002.
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post #33 of 51
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Interesting take on the iBook rebate. The only thing that would make me think otherwise is the fact that iBooks are flying off the shelf at the previous price...

Update on my situation: It would be prohibitive to try and fix my powerbook. It would be about 150$ Canadian + any charge for parts. Since the power manager seems toast, they said it would be fairly expensive. Anyway, a checkup and estimate is 86$CAN... err...

I think i'll just let it die... Maybe sell the batteries or the carcass...

I checked the iBook today, :eek: What great machines!!!

It was running 10.1 and was really just as fast as my iMac. Thing is, it only had 128mb of ram and was the 500mhz version!!! Wow! I opened Appleworks, EI, Apple System profiler, played with the dock and menus... and it was just great. Whoever thinks OS X is slow on these machines has a low latency tolerance...

I even tried using a pro mouse with it. It can be usable with the cord passing between the screen and the book. Not great, but not impossible either.

I saw the ipod too... Mmmm... One day, one day...

Now I just have to decide if I will sell my iMac now...
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What else could you do with the 540?
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>What else could you do with the 540?</strong><hr></blockquote>

learn to solder and fix it myself!
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UPDATE: Looks like the decision has been made for me. I just learned that my parents got me the iBook for x-mas . I still think I should sell the iMac so i've put it up for sale.

Anyone want an iMac in Montréal?

too bad for the comet...
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[quote]Originally posted by Matvei:
<strong>UPDATE: Looks like the decision has been made for me. I just learned that my parents got me the iBook for x-mas . I still think I should sell the iMac so i've put it up for sale.

Anyone want an iMac in Montréal?

too bad for the comet...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great present. You'll love it.
post #38 of 51
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I know. I already ordered a 512MB dim and a slipcase (Sportfolio II)!

Still sad thinkin' I'll lose my beautiful iMac...
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[quote]Originally posted by Matvei:
<strong>I know. I already ordered a 512MB dim and a slipcase (Sportfolio II)!

Still sad thinkin' I'll lose my beautiful iMac...</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you're getting it as a present then why do you need to get rid of the iMac?
post #40 of 51
I did it too! I decided to go ahead and order the iBook. I have to write a thesis that involves a lot of data collection from various libaries around London, so having a laptop was crucial. I decided to go ahead and order the iBook 600/DVD. I know that technically I could have got by with just the 500 version, but for an extra £200 the DVD version seemed to offer a lot more (and thanks to the Apple education + £60 off deals I could not resist!).

It is still "Being Reviewed" at the Apple store, but hopefully I will receive it at some point next week!

Oh, I got Virtual PC 4.0.2 DOS version (educational price) as well, so I can hopefully network the machine with my home PC if need be.

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