BRussell, keep your high-falutin' analysis to your damn self.
Nice little sideways dig.
I CAN restrain myself, thank you. I didn't go there for a LONG time before requesting to have it removed from my list. I just didn't really want to see it.
And come off it: it's not "debate", in many cases. It's a free-for-all, and quite mean. And I have other sites I go to where it's a bit more low-key and friendlier and there aren't a certain 5-6 people seemingly going out of their way to muck up a discussion or get personal.
I'm still very much right-of-center and fond of my leanings and beliefs, but this place just doesn't seem like the best place to express it, or hash it out. I got tired of it.
And I get disagreed with ALL THE TIME, so it's not like I can't deal with that either.
You pegged it kind wrong there, B...
Yeah, you take a snapshot of right now (5 threads, you say). But it has, in the past, been MUCH more than that (and, I'd imagine, be so again).
So I'm not some wilting flower chickenshit, afraid to "debate" at all. And to be honest, I do miss taking part in the threads about movies and life and general and so forth.
But you can't tell me with a straight face that much of what goes on in those threads involving politics, religion, society, etc. is reasoned, level-headed and mannered "debate".
Give me a ****ing break.
On balance, it's a pretty vicious, personal and baiting environment. On BOTH sides (and before you - or anyone else - can bring it up, yes...I myself have participated in that at times, to my shame and dismay).
I don't mind "disagreement". I mind bullies and nitpickers and shit-stirrers and I'd rather not have an otherwise great website/forum mingled in with stuff like that. That's my call and I feel better (and enjoy the site more) going with it, so don't let it rattle or vex you TOO much. It ain't worth it.
I enjoy AppleInsider much more as a strict Mac-only place.
You shouldn't ding me - or anyone - for that, or think we're somehow "not up to snuff" or can't stand a little "debate" (when it's rarely that anyway).
Maybe I just prefer to compartmentalize, keeping that sort of stuff to other sites/forums and keeping my Apple and Mac passions separated from all that. For the record, I don't visit or participate in the Lounge area/non-Mac or tech sections of MacNN, orangeinsider.com or arstechnica either.
I don't like to mix the two these days...leaves a weird taste. I came to AppleInsider nearly four years ago for the Mac stuff anyway. All I've really done is return to that and leave the other stuff behind.
Besides, let's get completely honest: I'm never going to change or influence Shawn, giant, pfflam, bunge or anyone else. And they're not going to change or influence me. So after a while, you're just kinda banging your head against a brick wall, saying things they don't believe or agree with and hearing things from them you don't believe or agree with, so why bother? All of them are, from what I can tell, pretty okay fellas and I'd rather meet up with them in other forums where it's Mac-oriented and can actually carry on a normal conversation and not be bickering about stuff and going in circles, trading comebacks and responses for three days over some silly issue that really doesn't affect my life anyway.
Been there, done that. Have NOTHING to show for it either.
See, it's more a "quality of life" issue than anything...