Originally posted by tonton
If you really care about a government or organization, then when you see something wrong with that organization you point it out and demand a change. You are anti-Catholic, JH.
Condom failure rate: 5%.
Abstinance failure rate (i.e. you tell 100 people to be abstinant, how many will still have sex): Much more than 5%, I'd wager.
Are you a virgin, JH? Are you pre-puberty and haven't developed a sex drive? Or are you a repressed homosexual who denies sexual existance because of church doctrine?
Actually, there are groups within the CATHOLIC CHURCH who are free enough and progressive enough to speak out against the worst aspects of the church. Condoms would be #1 in most people's books there. Abortion would be another. Gay rights would be a third.
Thank you for the logical, respectful response.
I'm happily married with 3 kids (no Natural Family Planning cracks, all were planned). I do not buy the theory that "people can do no better, so why try!"
Look how convoluted modern society is that we don't even know who the victim is and who the perpetrator is.
Victim=Person who gets HIV (from any means).
Perpetrator=Person who knowingly deceives or who increases risk through negligence.
And I know the argument, "but these people don't know any better!" But I have three kids... Trust me, I recognize the difference between ignorance and stubbornness. In the case where someone gets HIV through stubborness, they are both perpetrator and victim.
What this whole debate reminds me of is a story that broke the news back a couple weeks ago. There was a mom who robbed a bank with her two 15 year old daughters. The mom later said that she robbed the bank because she thought she had no choice. One of the daughters told her that they were robbing the bank with or without her. So she decided to assist in the robbery to protect her two children from harm.
For people that don't believe in God, theres no incongruence; Give the poor people condoms. But for Catholics, God is the the sole author of truth and moral law. You can debate until you're blue in the face that Catholic moral doctrine has changed, but the simple truth is that it hasn't. I have seen numerous Catholic libraries and have seen pictures of the official library in the Vatican. They have the most incredibly thorough documentation of any organization I've ever seen. Any organization would be stunned to see at what great lengths they've gone through to preserve every last detail of their faith.
So now, I can't speak for all Catholics because they all have their own opinions, just the same as non-Catholics. But I have no problem with people doing what the want, where they want. But I will not be an accessory to anything that violates the law that I feel God has set forth for me.
Catholics are not actively trying to take condoms away from people. They are saying that they will not allow their mercinaries to distribute condoms. Lets keep that straight! The reason that its an issue is that the mercinaries are primarily Catholic. What that means is that the majority of the people over there trying to help are Catholics. So perhaps the folks sitting in their comfy chairs (myself included) complaining about things should get off their butts and pitch in their time/money/bodies to help.