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Originally posted by sCreeD
Exactly, I'm comparing the specs of the 12" iBook and 12" Powerbook and wondering why exactly I paid $500 extra. The shiny aluminum? The better video out option? The fact that the AluBook is lighter? The fact that it's more compact?

Wait. These are adding up... \

Well whatever...

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12" PB is still 200 MZ faster than 12" iBook, as well. But still-- for the price? I have absolutely no use for an iBook, but I want one anyway. Bad.

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post #42 of 236
It appears to be using the old 7455/7445 G4s instead of the new 7s (because of the 256 rather than 512 cache). I wonder why.
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post #44 of 236
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It appears to be using the old 7455/7445 G4s instead of the new 7s (because of the 256 rather than 512 cache). I wonder why.


So it doesn't eat into the powerbook sales i suppose.
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post #45 of 236
Wow, this one really came in under the radar.
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post #46 of 236
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I must say that this highly entertaining, watching everyone wake up, see this news, go "Huh?" and then post their thoughts. Good fun to read over breakfast

Agreed.
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Wow, this one really came in under the radar.

Yes... I saw my first rumor just a few minutes before the store went down... Got my 12" BTO configuration saved and waiting for a little extra cushioning to my savings.

Which reminds me.. anyone want to buy a 14" WallStreet? lol
post #48 of 236
Check out the picture gallery. It actually says "iBook g4" on the machine itself. I do not believe that Apple has ever done this on a consumer machine.
post #49 of 236
Arghh!!! Feeling... So... Conflicted...

First of all this rocks for most people! Now folks can get a low end ibook with combo drive for 1100 or less if you are a student. This is hugely important psychologically. Students will see an immediate improvement in MP3 ripping times 8)

Seriously though, The very cheap portable G4 will tempt some creative windows types to get one as a little video editor or photo studio. And great timing with the panther publicity. I can see lots of macheads owning much older machines making this their bridge machine to get current while they wait for the G5s to fall in price and spread downward in the lineup.


There are just several issues for us "iBook power users" that might be disconcerting. \

If indeed this chip is an older 7455 this is mixed news - what about the ibook's famed battery life? Did Apple put the rest of the components on a tighter power budget or something or will we see battery life drop from the 3.5+ hours to the 2+ hours range where the powerbooks have been hovering recently? If this is not the 7455 could it be an IBM G3+Altivec rebranded? Is there something in the bus speed/ L2 cache numbers which say definitively either way?

Also, what about all of the work that went into hacking the ATI 7500 graphix cards to support monitor spanning? That hack made the iBook into suitable main computer for poorer 2D creatives who need screen real estate but not the horsepower for video encoding and such. I hope that the ATI 9200 has not been sealed off by Apple from enabling these supported features in order to protect the now precarious position of the little powerbooks. I do have a suspicion that this is why the video cards changed though.

Lastly and least importantly, it seems Apple is taking some cues from people that the all white look was not going over so well. The new iBooks appear to be clad similarly to the previous G3 800 generation internally (Silver inner faces), but has the transparent outer shell returned? To my mind the opaque white outer casing on the G3 900 iBooks looks terrible, and I can't tell from the gallery photos whether the outer is back the the good old days. If they do have a transparent casing with this slot loading drive I deem these the most beautiful iBooks ever!

So in essence, I'm hopefull, but uneasy until some of the uncertainty is cleared up.

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post #50 of 236
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Originally posted by jdbon2
Check out the picture gallery. It actually says "iBook g4" on the machine itself. I do not believe that Apple has ever done this on a consumer machine.

It HAS been a long time since apple put a speed, processor or ANY number on a Mac. And since the late 90's introduction of the product grid, this is definitely the first time is has been put on a "Consumer" machine.
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post #51 of 236
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Just bought a powerbook g4 12" with a combo drive and got it last friday. Can I return it? Should I return it if I can and get the ibook? I'm kinda bummed about this. I wish I waited.

Sorry to hear that. Depends if you did a custom order, then there's no returns that I'm aware of under any circumstances (except things like DOA, defects, etc. which would be repaired). If it's a standard config, then a 10% open box fee applies. Check Apple's Sales/Refunds page for more info:

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Im...eturn%20Policy
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post #52 of 236
now i feel less special ..

(still waiting for this *******, ****, *****,** ! 15" AL)



But seriously, G4 iBook, great!
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post #53 of 236
Must... have... self... control...

Must... wait.. for ... G5 powerbook...
post #54 of 236
Has anyone noticed that the batteries in the new iBooks are actually better than any of those available on the powerbook line.

iBooks: 50 watt-hour (12in) and 61 watt-hour (14in) compared with:
Powerbooks: 47 (12in), 46 (15in) and 58 (17in)

Why can't we have decent batteries in the Powerbook. I was all ready to order a 15in AlBook when it came out but was disappinted that battery life is worse in the 15in than the tiny 12in. It is really gutting to see the 14in iBook get a 32% longer-lasting battery, which with a less powerful processor to power will probably result in 1-2 hours more real usage time.

This makes the iBooks very tempting, but unfortunately I need all the speed and screen size I can get for sloooowwwwww Dreamweaver MX (but that's another post altogether)!
post #55 of 236
For what it's worth: I'm running on a RevB TiBook, 550MHz, 768MB RAM, and have zero speed issues with Dreamweaver MX. I typically also have iTunes, Photoshop, iChat, Mail and Transmit running at the same time as Dreamweaver...
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post #56 of 236
Dammit. Low end model is £849. The old iBook low end model was £799. Was going to buy one if the price on the low end fell or at least stayed the same, but now I really can't afford it .

PS: Does anyone know if you can use none-apple WiFi cards with it? I'm not paying an extra £50 just for a card with apple's name on it
post #57 of 236
Nice refresh for Apple... caught me off guard. I initially had buyer's remorse on my 12" PB, but after looking at the specs I'm not disappointed at all.

I wonder who the heck is going to buy that 1 GHz iBook though, $200 extra for a 60GB HD (which is a $50 upgrade on the 933 MHz model) and 67 more MHz?
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post #58 of 236
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Originally posted by aldo

PS: Does anyone know if you can use none-apple WiFi cards with it? I'm not paying an extra £50 just for a card with apple's name on it [/B]

You cannot use non apple cards with it! There is no pc card slot on the iBooks and the airport extreme card is proprietary.
post #59 of 236
MCQ,
Yup, I called apple. No returns on custuom configs. Oh well. It's not hard to live with a pb g4 Maybe I can get an ibook too! j/k
post #60 of 236
That is so STUPID how they MAKE you get a 14" if you want 1ghz. They should let you have a 1ghz or 933mhz 12" iBook.

Man my poor 12" PB...wishing it had ATI! You pay for it's smallness and great keyboard too though so I'm happy. Maybe my mom will get an iBook G4 now instead of a PowerBook. The Radeon 9200 has to be a league better than the GeForce 420 Go right? Also it would look better if the lowed end was $999 not $1099. But damn, like someone here said, the new Apple knows how to execute!
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post #61 of 236
do you guys think it'll get to me faster if I order from the apple store online or go to an apple store physically to get it? I called the apple store and they said they would have it in a couple of weeks, they probably had no idea.
post #62 of 236
Certainly a nice little surprise this morning, I must say.

Great new price to get a sweet little G4-powered laptop, and it looks as if they have gone away from the white around the keyboard area. Big plus.

I am interested to see how this 12" vs. 14" thing plays out though. There was always such a hate-on for the "ugly big POS" 14" model, but I wonder how many people are going to want to get that 933MHz or 1GHz model. A lot of people are going to be angry that they are stuck with an 800MHz G4 when they go for the 12". I guess it keeps recent 12" PowerBook buyers from getting too upset.

If only that screen resolution was a tad higher on the bigger models...

And we now have AirPort Extreme in every computer Apple makes. Sweet.
post #63 of 236
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Originally posted by Aquatic
But damn, like someone here said, the new Apple knows how to execute!

That was me.

I have a serious eye on the 12" iBook now. I just wish there was a SuperDrive option. But I suppose we'll have to wait until the PowerBooks get a little more distance on the iBook before that happens. *grumble*

Maybe MCE will come forward with an aftermarket solution?
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post #64 of 236
I was just looking at the Quicktime pics of the new ibook and i think the new finish is neither the old (500-600mhz) silver finish, nor is it the newer (800-900mhz) ivory plasticky finish. It almost looks like they tried to combine the two, in almost darkening the ivory plastic finish. On the outside it looks like the opaque polycarbonate has stuck rather than the clear. And the hinge still has the plasticky look, when will apple learn. Well I'm still getting it.
post #65 of 236
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Originally posted by beaverclea
I was just looking at the Quicktime pics of the new ibook and i think the new finish is neither the old (500-600mhz) silver finish, nor is it the newer (800-900mhz) ivory plasticky finish. It almost looks like they tried to combine the two, in almost darkening the ivory plastic finish. On the outside it looks like the opaque polycarbonate has stuck rather than the clear. Interesting. I'm still getting it.

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing too. It appears to be not as slick as the original silver but certainly a lot better than that two-tone ivory look of late.
This all grey looks like it wraps the whole keyboard and track pad...looks promising. I hope they went back to the non-opaque white top, but I doubt it.
post #66 of 236
Glad I sold my CD-ROM only iBook a month ago.....


Thanks to the higher Canadian dollars...the Combo 12" iBook is only 50 bucks (CDN) more expensive than the CD-ROM iBook I bought in July
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post #67 of 236
I'm going to be ordering the 12" iBook (800MHz, etc.) this afternoon then. As someone upthread stated, this makes a snazzy little "holdover" product until a) the 15" PowerBook is a Rev. B and I can actually buy one in confidence or b) a G5 PowerBook actually makes an appearance sometime in 2004.

I was THIS CLOSE to getting a 12" PowerBook, but you know what? I'd much rather drop $1099 rather than $1599 on something that I KNOW is going to be a stopgap, 4-10 month purchase for me.

I'll order it online and get the 60GB hard drive and the Bluetooth thing so I can use that mouse.

What a cool thing to wake up to. I've been struggling so hard the past month or so, not feeling good about getting the 15" (the troubles AND the price), but not feeling partiularly nuts about the 12" PowerBook either, especially dropping $1599 for a "holdover" purchase.

This little 12" iBook today was like a gift straight from heaven.



I was actually lying in bed two nights ago with my calculator, getting all frustrated and not feeling particularly good about much in the PowerBook area and said to myself "man, why don't they just humor me and back a G4 iBook so I can do this on the cheap?"



Still got 800MHz (like my iMac had, and I was totally pleased with its performance), still got the same resolution, 32MB graphics, hard drive capacity, etc. I'm gaining USB 2, AirPort Extreme, Bluetooth, cool-ass slot-loading drive, etc. A total no-brainer. I'll be happy to make this purchase this afternoon!

I'll have enough to get the base station, AirPort card, JBL Creature speakers, 20GB iPod, Bluetooth mouse, extra power supply, sleeve case and 512MB RAM...and STILL have money left over! This absolutely ROCKS and came at a PERFECT time!

post #68 of 236
They're kinda thick if you ask me...but I still want one.

And I never knew that there was such a thing as a Radeon 9200 until now.
post #69 of 236
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What a cool thing to wake up to. I've been struggling so hard the past month or so, not feeling good about getting the 15" (the troubles AND the price), but not feeling partiularly nuts about the 12" PowerBook either, especially for a "holdover" purchase.

Apple must have been feeling your anguish and reading your thoughts!

The thing that strikes me is that they seem to have purposely crippled this 12" iBook in terms of processor speed. This is obviously so it doesn't tread into PB territory. But I think it also has to do with trying to push the 14" model which has historically not been a big seller.
Price wise, it's not bad, but I only wish they had bumped the resolution a tad.
post #70 of 236
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I am interested to see how this 12" vs. 14" thing plays out though. There was always such a hate-on for the "ugly big POS" 14" model, but I wonder how many people are going to want to get that 933MHz or 1GHz model. A lot of people are going to be angry that they are stuck with an 800MHz G4 when they go for the 12". I guess it keeps recent 12" PowerBook buyers from getting too upset.


Yep, that's partially why I'm not upset It would have a large cannibalization on the 12" PB IMO if there was a 933 MHz option in the 12" iBook, and especially so if the monitor spanning hack still exists.

It does seem like Apple wants to push the 14" iBooks more, which also makes sense to me given that most consumers just see a billion 14-15" notebooks sitting at the local computer store and online, and assume this is how big a notebook should be.
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post #71 of 236
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Originally posted by aldo
Dammit. Low end model is £849. T

he old iBook low end model was £799. Was going to buy one if the price on the low end fell or at least stayed the same, but now I really can't afford it .

stop whining, you get a slotloading dvd/cd-rw drive + usb2 + better videocard + 33% faster bus for only £50...
be happy, it's a steal for that price.

anyway.
i was right and clive was wrong about ibook G4's before mwsf 2004.

wow, it feels good when a stupid statement makes sence after all
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post #72 of 236
FYI to all - the Radeon 9200 is pretty weak. Don't know about the mobile version, but the desktop version of the 9200 is slapped around by the desktop version of the FX 5200 in the pb 12" see
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...92p/index.html

All this after it was pretty much settled that the Mobility 7500 in the iBooks was at least as good as the FX 5200go in the pb 12"

I really hope this isn't a downgrade in overall performance. And of course losing the monitor spanning hack would be even worse if the new cards can't be uncrippled.
post #73 of 236
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You cannot use non apple cards with it! There is no pc card slot on the iBooks and the airport extreme card is proprietary.

Damn.
post #74 of 236
Just placed my order: 12" iBook with 60GB hard drive and Bluetooth module.



Feels good...
post #75 of 236
A consolidation of all the major differences I could think of between the $US1599 1GHz 12" PowerBook and the $US1099 800 MHz G4 iBook:

12" G4 PowerBook advantages
  • Faster by 200 MHz.
  • Double L2 cache (512K vs. 256K).
  • 10 GB more drive space (40GB vs 30GB).
  • More expandable memory (1152MB vs. 640MB) -- expandable without throwing 128MB away in order to add more memory.
  • DVI video.
  • Better video card (NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 vs. ATI Mobility Radeon 9200, both 32 MB).
  • Monitor spanning (although the new iBook is probably hackable to do spanning too). [Edit: A few people have brought up the fact that the change in video card from the previous iBook might mean the old spanning hacks won't work and that perhaps the new card won't be hackable.]
  • Bluetooth included.
  • Midrange-enhancing third speaker.
  • Analog audio input.
  • Smaller (0.17" thinner, 0.3" narrower, 0.5" less deep).
  • Lighter (by 0.3 lb., 4.6 lb. vs. 4.9 lb.)
  • Nicer looking Aluminum case (although that's subjective), with perhaps better heat dissipation. (I'd imagine the iBook's fan might run a bit more often to get rid of heat that isn't shed as easily through a plastic shell).
12" G4 iBook advantages
  • $US500 cheaper.
  • Perhaps more rugged than the PowerBook.
  • One more hour of rated battery usage (6 vs.5), with a slightly more capacious battery (50 watt hours vs. 47).

Given all of this -- mostly a lot of small differences -- I certainly don't feel bad about having bought a 12" PowerBook rather than one of these iBooks, but I can also see the iBook being a better value for some people, especially if you're considering it something to tide you over until G5 PowerBooks come along. With G4s in the iBooks, I'd say the chances of the next PowerBook rev being a G5 rev are pretty high, perhaps coming along in Summer 2004.
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post #76 of 236
Hellfire, where did that come from? Ho hum...

Interestingly, it's not just the 12" PowerBook mobo in a different case: the power socket's on the other side and, since the cooling vent on the left-hand side is higher up, it looks like it's taking a different path.

Now, mine's a Rev A 12" PB, and I'm not disgruntled about this: the audio, case and L2 cache keep my machine ahead in terms of the work I do.

Interesting that updates like this can just slide in under the radar...
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post #77 of 236
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Originally posted by aldo
Damn.

Don't be so upset. Apple uses a proprietary card so it can hook into the iBook's built-in antenna. The antenna runs around the entire screen, which gives the iBook ridiculous wifi range. In my experience, it's easily twice the range of a PC card wifi with the little teeny nub antenna sticking out. Our antennas are waaaay bigger than their antennas.
post #78 of 236
Hmm...well I am glad I got the 15" AlBook or else I'd be pissed right now. I am wondering if I would have paid more for the 15" if I had the option of the G4 iBooks at the time. Those have longer battery life and (I think) are more durable.

Oh well just glad I am not regretting my 15" AlBook purchase (too much anyway)
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Just called apple, I was surprised that the bluetooth was a $50 additional charge. It's not something that can be added on later, at least internally. Is anybody else getting the bluetooth?
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Someone over in the MacRumors forums pointed out that nowhere on the new iBook pages is any mention made of the Velocity Engine. Since I was looking for a break from getting ready for my dissertation proposal I became intrigued.

Sure enough, on every other G4-based system mention is made of AltiVec under Tech Specs. Heck, for the iMac and eMac there is even a special G4 tab that has a little picture of what the VE does!

Propbably this is nothing more than intriguing, but I wonder if there is any chance this means anything (and seeing as how there is no Developers Note up yet, looks like we can't find out until someone gets to play with one of these).
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