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post #121 of 164
[quote](he's under DNA just like everyone else)<hr></blockquote>

Errr.... I'm not even gonna say it
post #122 of 164
I don't have anything against him. He may very well be correct. Its just that there are quite a few people that were hanging on every word he said. You must be cautious. The bit about the PowerBook gets me though. Are you perhaps thinking of the new and more durable paint with the higher reflectivity to it? That might make it look lighter. That will not be for MWSF though.
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post #123 of 164
[quote] From Mastergateing

Who is this Kormac fellow? <hr></blockquote>

And The Mysterious Kormac?

[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: murk ]</p>
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post #124 of 164
He's a moron.
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post #125 of 164
[quote]Errr.... I'm not even gonna say it <hr></blockquote>


LOL! DNA ..... I edited it.

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post #126 of 164
[quote] No self respecting engineer talks like that.
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I couldn't find an instance where he claimed to be a self-respecting engineer.
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post #127 of 164
Oh man I seriously believe Mastergater now. He doesn't know who kormac is. He is not a self-respecting engineer, probably not a engineer at all. He didn't know how to edit posts. He says banal things. Exactly the kind of person people would tell secrets to, because he's not seen as part of the game.
post #128 of 164
I think the guy is full of crap...there is NO WAY every product would get updating...The Ti Book is sweet...why mess with the design?

However, that top-o-the-line iMac... rool:

We can dream. Speaking of which I dreamt that the Cube made a return at MWSF.
post #129 of 164
nothing revolutionary about what masterbater predicted, anybody could have pulled this out of his a$$.

In fact I predicted almost identically in the "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" thread.

The only difference is I have a dual processor option on all G5 desktops.

Oh and I also DO NOT think Apple will update the portables in Jan. We'll have to wait for Feb or March for G3 Sahara in the iBook and I'm hoping for a .13 micron G4 in the TiBook.
post #130 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by mslee:
<strong>beer to wash down ass-taste...mmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't know about the ass part, but I can tell you that beer is remarkably useful when the need to wash down a bad taste exists. About the only taste I wouldn't try to wash down is toothpaste taste...more horrible than drinking citrus beverages right after brushing your teeth I suspect.

BTW, I wonder if Mastergating's name itself is a clue. As in, he thinks all the future hardware speculation is mental masturbation...which one would have a hard time arguing against, I must admit.
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post #131 of 164
No, no, no, Mastergateing = Master Gates. :eek:
post #132 of 164
If the TiBook was getting an update/facelift on Jan 7, wouldn't you if you were Apple trying to unload "old stock" add a sweetener to help clear some stocks out? Other than that the choice is cutting the price dramatically, which Apple has steered clear off in the past.

Just a thought while we touched on the subject
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post #133 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by iRobot:
<strong>If the TiBook was getting an update/facelift on Jan 7, wouldn't you if you were Apple trying to unload "old stock" add a sweetener to help clear some stocks out? Other than that the choice is cutting the price dramatically, which Apple has steered clear off in the past.

Just a thought while we touched on the subject </strong><hr></blockquote>


Listen to the robot...he is, after all, the eye in the sky. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #134 of 164
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Listen to the robot...

Hehe, if you think you want to listen to someone who does not own an Apple... be my guest


/em Crosses fingers hoping for an iMac to convert me on Jan 7
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post #135 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by iRobot:
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Hehe, if you think you want to listen to someone who does not own an Apple... be my guest</strong><hr></blockquote>

All the more reason to suggest you think more clearly about these things than the typical Future Hardware nut. Thankyou Mr. Robot for your voice of reason. Or, should I call you Mr. Parsons? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #136 of 164
Now to really embarass myself

Who is Mr. Parsons? TV obviously, although being outside US pop-culture (to a degree), some things/jokes are lost on me.

hehe, thanki
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post #137 of 164
I've noticed that Junkyard Dawg has been suspiciously absent of all Mastergateing posts. Infact he seems to have dissapeared off the map around the time of Mastergateing's surfacing ... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

JD has played some jokes like this in the past. He's knowledgeable & know what we want to hear. He also likes making extreme claims in his posts & seeing how many of us he can make look like fools when he reveals himself ...

I think this may be JD in hidding ... :eek:

So fess up! Are you JD?
post #138 of 164
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I have sat back too long because I did not want to post or talk directly to such a bastard as Masterbater. I just wish his type would go away because they are not the type of people I respect. I respect those that have dignity. Apple would obviously not want you working for them and you probably do not. The fact that you would just post what information you were given leads me to believe that you are a disrespectful loser. Do you not see what you have done if indeed you have posted legitimate information? You have ruined MacWorld for some people that wanted a surprise and for Apple who obviously wants secrecy. Apple loses money when this kind of thing gets out of hand. I dont know about you but I am a fan of this fruit company we all know as Apple and I want them to succede. Now some people will be expecting far more than Apple may do, who knows maybe your predictions suck anyway? You are scum Mastergateing and I want you to leave. The people who are crazy enough to **** with me and the people/organizations that I respect are the ones that end up getting ****ed. GO HOME, LEAVE US ALONE!

PS: I have proof you are lying. If you post again i will present that evidence. Be smart for once and listen to a reasonable person. GO ****ING HOME!

[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Macintosh ]</p>
post #139 of 164
Ouch Macintosh, no disrespect but that was harsh
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post #140 of 164
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I will show you harsh. Who wants evidence?
post #141 of 164
Hook me up, this is turning out to be more fun all the time... and i thought EQ was addictive.
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post #142 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>I will show you harsh. Who wants evidence? </strong><hr></blockquote>

1) I want to see your evidence.
2) I share your dislike of Mastergating, but for a different reason (see the other thread he started for my saga of posts). I think that people come to these boards because they DO want to know what Apple is going to come out with (if you don't want to know, it's probably not a good idea to be looking around the "future hardware" section). But I believe that he's full of sh*t and being a real nuisance and general waste of time and space....

-S
post #143 of 164
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My evidence is quite simple to understand. You have to think like a criminal to be one, right? Look at the bottom of the first page of this thread. There are two links which were posted by DanPCamera. These links reveal many articles written by The Register. This is where Mastergateing turned for the rest of his information. He copied and pasted his bullshit right from the register. Take a LONG look.

PowerPC G5 redux
By Tony Smith
Posted: 03/12/2001 at 16:46 GMT

So, how likely is Apple to release the Power Mac G5 next January, as our regular correspondent, who claims to be close to the company's hardware division, has said? With the anticipated launch date now barely more than a month away, it's time to take a closer look at what's being claimed and what picture of Apple's product plans can be drawn from the leaked information.

According to our source, Apple CEO Steve Jobs will take to the stage at Macworld Expo San Francisco and unveil desktop Power Mac G5s running at 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6GHz. They will be based on a processor codenamed G5 - we've also heard the word 'Goldfish' - but officially believed to be monikered the Power PC 8500 on the basis of Motorola's most-recent roadmap, which gives that name to the first fifth-generation PowerPC chip. Our Apple source, it should be noted, has used that name only once, referring to the part almost exclusively as the G5.

One caveat that our source offers is that while Motorola is now ramping up volume production of the G5 and the silicon is running across a wide range of clock frequencies, yield problems remain - always an issue in the early days of a chip's life - and Apple may be forced to opt for a 1GHz machine instead of the 1.6GHz part.

Other sources suggest that may not be necessary. Another correspondent, who claims to be from Motorola, has told us that the company is producing G5s "in quantity" at all four clock speeds. Other correspondents have said in the past that enough 1.6GHz G5s have come off the production line for Apple to give real consideration to shipping a machine at that clock frequency.

G5 specs
Our Motorola source - if such he is - gives the following specifications, among others, for the G5: 256-bit on-chip bus, 64-bit integer and floating-point units (four to five times faster than their G4 equivalents), 400MHz "effective bus speed", 128KB L1 cache, 512KB on-die L2 cache, support for 2-8MB of external L3 cache, Book E "core instruction set" and a ten-stage pipeline.

To that we can add 64-bit addressing with full 32-bit backward compatibility.

The chip is being produced using Motorola's 0.13 micron HIP 7.0 process and contains 58 million transistors, claims our Motorola source. The die-size comes in at 192mm©. It ship in a 575-pin package. By contrast, the second-generation G4-class Power PC 7450 is fabbed at 0.18 micron, is 106mm© and uses a 483-pin package.

Many of these figures match those provided by our Apple source - and others, including other Register informants and the sources of information used by other Web sites beyond those we know our sources also communicate with.

But here's a caveat of our own: we can't, hand on heart, say that we're one hundred per cent certain that the information we have is genuine. Superficial similarities between the emails we've received from a couple of apparently unrelated sources could indicate that they all come from the same person. That would clearly question their authenticity. However, other sources' information, which also offers some of what our Apple mole has told us, doesn't follow the pattern, so we're willing - with a due sense of caution - to take what we've received at face value.

And don't forget, that Motorola European Marketing Communications Manager, Paul Clark, in an interview with Macworld UK has gone on record and effectively confirmed the existence of the G5, its use of 64-bit addressing, 32-bit compatibility, Rapid IO support and its Book E basis - though many of the details have already appeared on the company's roadmap.

Power Mac predictions
Comparing all the information we've received, it's possible to come up with a core specification for the upcoming Power Macs Apple is preparing. The machines will ship with 266MHz DDR SDRAM and contain 2MB of external L3 cache. A new version of FireWire, dubbed GigaWire, is expected to be included to that, as its name suggests, offers file transfers at 1.6Gbps, a speed made possible by the IEEE 1394b standard.

You'll notice that we haven't given the new machines a name. Why? Because that's one of the two central questions regarding the boxes that have yet to be answered. The other being, of course, what processor will they use?

We have to ask this question because the G5 isn't the only next-generation PowerPC that Motorola is working on. In October 2000, at the Microprocessor Forum, held in San Jose, Motorola unveiled Apollo, the chip it said would take the PowerPC family to 1GHz and beyond. To do so, Motorola said it would employ a new chip design and a shift toward silicon-on-insulator chip construction technology. The company's representative, David Bearden, said Apollo would be fabricated on a 0.18 micron process. It would feature 256KB of on-die L2 cache, with support for up to 2MB of external L3 cache and a 256-bit bus hooking them all together. Bearden cited power consumption of under 23W at 1GHz-plus frequencies.

Apollo is believed to be officially known as the PowerPC 7460. In short, it's the third-generation of the G4 and the successor to the 7450 Apple's is using in its current top-end desktop Macs.

So, on one hand we have a third-generation G4 in the pipeline. On the other we have a completely new PowerPC, the G5. Together we have Motorola and Apple developing two next-generation PowerPC processors at the same time. We know for a fact that at least one of these - Apollo - is under development, because Motorola has gone on record to say so. And while development schedules that overlap are not without precedent, they are not common. So are Apollo and the G5 one and the same?

Apollo = G5
There's certainly circumstantial evidence to suggest that. For Apple, the most important feature that any next-generation PowerPC can deliver is a clock speed in excess of 1GHz. The company can talk until it's blue in the face about how unsuited clock speed is to the process of comparing processors and measuring their relative performance, but when Intel is at 2GHz (2.2GHz in January 2002, 2.4GHz in April) and it's only at 867MHz, it needs to break that (largely psychological) gigahertz barrier as soon as possible.

If Apollo is designed to get PowerPC to 1GHz and beyond, that's arguably enough for Apple. Of course, the company will want to shout about such an landmark achievement as the first 1GHz-plus Mac, and how better to do that than give it a new name: G5. Not only would such a move highlight the significance of the desktop's clock speed, it would also allow Apple to bring the G4 to is consumer machines. Quite apart from that, the G4 brand, first used by Apple nearly two-and-a-half years ago, is starting to show its age.

If Apple is going to call its next desktop machines Power Mac G5s, that might well explain how the rumour mill has ended up with two processors: Apollo has been dubbed the G5, not because its a fifth--generation CPU, but because that's the machine it's going into.

Apollo isn't G5
Equating G5 and Apollo is tempting, but it's worth bearing in mind that there are strong counter arguments. Apple may, for example, be unwilling to risk any of the consumer backlash that might arise from claiming a G4-class processor (Apollo) is a G5, which most experienced Mac users - ie. the Power Mac's target audience - would expect to be a genuine fifth-generation PowerPC.

Equally, with high speed G3-class CPUs in the pipeline from IBM, Apple has less need to upgrade the iMac to G4 status than it might at first seem. And Apple does want more from its next CPU than an increased clock frequency.

Then there's the basic point that our sources say that Apollo and G5 are not the same processor. Apollo is said to operate at 1.0, 1.13 and 1.26GHz. Other specs, such as frontside bus speed and L2 cache, are different.

That said, Apollo also appears to have been finished before the G5. In which case, why hasn't Motorola announced its availability yet? Its silence on the G5 is said to be at Apple's behest, the Mac maker having contributed significantly to its design. But that surely doesn't apply to Apollo, which Motorola did launch in public?

Motorola's newly redesigned Web site may herald just such an announcement. In the meantime, the company has declined to respond to our enquiries for further details of Apollo's development progress and release schedule.

Come January
As for Apple, its refusal to comment on rumour and unannounced product means we won't know the truth until Steve Jobs gets on stage early next month as Macworld Expo. New, faster Power Macs have to be on the cards, though there remains the possibility that that perennial favourite, the next-generation iMac, will appear alongside it or instead. Ditto Apple's Mac OS X Server rack unit, as far from Apple's target markets as that is. The PowerBook G4 is unlikely to be updated before Apple's traditional PowerBook announcement slot, Macworld Expo Tokyo, in February.

However, if our various correspondents are correct - or even if we take only the points on which their accounts coincide - Apple will unveil new Power Macs. Whether they're G4s or G5s will, we think, depend on whether they're based on Apollo or the G5 - assuming they're not one and the same - and that's too close to call. ®
post #144 of 164
Ok, lets see the proof Macintosh. If you're so sure Masterwhatever is scum I'd like to know.

Whether he's lying or not this is fun. With the ass eating, free beer, dueling Kormacs and wild speculation this is better then ER, Boston Public, The Practice and Who Wants to be a Millionaire combined, and thats my final answer. hoooza!
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post #145 of 164
Macintosh: Some of his info does coincide with this but that in itself doesn't prove he's not legit. This article only covers about 1/3 of his claims. Some could argue that this is becuase his is a real insider & has the same info as the Register "Mole".

Of course, I still think he may be JD. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

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Edit:Spelling or "grammer"

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post #146 of 164
no, JD is stuck on the bring back the cube thing and how apple needs a consumer tower, not G5 and new keyboards and mouse......but who knows....i personally don't think MG is an apple tech or even an employee of apple, but he maybe a top level's, as they day in prison, b*i*t*c*h....and the executive may like to talk in the bedroom....g
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post #147 of 164
Hey everybody, in the words of Cheri Oteri on SNL,

Simma Dahn Nah!

Okay. The Future Hardware forum is a place where rumors of new hardware are batted around like a high-speed tennis match. On the same note, many people claim they have irrefutable evidence that what they POST is what will happen.

Let's relate all this to any gift-receiving holiday. We've all anxiously anticipated a birthday, Christmas, Hannukah, etc. as a kid because we've wanted to know what we're getting for a present. At the same time, why wait? We sneak around, looking under our parents' bed, digging through closets, and stealthily moving through the house trying to find out what we're going to receive. If we find out, what happens? The surprise is over.

Christmas morning, for example, Santa brings you that gift and all of a sudden you can't believe in Santa Claus anymore because that present wouldn't have been there if he ACTUALLY brought it. The KICKER is that if you'd never looked, the surprise of the present would have been greater AND you'd still believe in Santa Claus.

Quit sabatoging yourselves! If Masterwhatever is right, then he spoiled it for all of you. But what if he's wrong like LOTS AND LOTS of other people have been here? Stop trying to ABSOLUTELY KNOW what Santa's bringing Christmas morning! Speculate, but let that be the end of it.

Odds are, whatever Apple releases at the Stevenote is going to be better than what they have now, and at similar prices. What's the issue?

Throw your rumors around -- I'll agree, it's a lot of fun to speculate wildly and try to guess what's coming. Just don't get yourselves all coiled up in a tizzy (whatever that means) by what Masterguy released. Wait for the present on Christmas morning, and believe that Apple will come out with great products like they usually do.

That's why you use a Mac anyway, isn't it?

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post #148 of 164
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He took the registers info and added his price speculation. He made the rest of it up.
post #149 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by X704:
<strong>Edit:grammer

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post #150 of 164
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I will show you all on Jan 7 including the very, very skeptical Macintosh.
post #151 of 164
Mastergateing, the fact is that to have info.on all that stuff you'd have to be higher up in the Apple corporate food chain than anybody who would actually risk posting on here. Why don't you give everyone a break.
post #152 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by dav:
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LOL, I thought it looked off ... :o
post #153 of 164
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>now now...

nobody needs to eat anyones ass kids</strong><hr></blockquote>

LMAO Jonathan! A real funny from a non-van driver, I have to say.

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[quote]Originally posted by phygen:
<strong>Oh man I seriously believe Mastergater now. He doesn't know who kormac is. He is not a self-respecting engineer, probably not a engineer at all. He didn't know how to edit posts. He says banal things. Exactly the kind of person people would tell secrets to, because he's not seen as part of the game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My thought exactly. If he doesn't know Kormac76, he's legit. (could be flawed logic, I admit) Luring him with free beer is a good start, though.
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post #155 of 164
or probably mastergate = steve jobs grinding over the edge of a lunatically good joke?

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[quote]Originally posted by JRC:
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LMAO Jonathan! A real funny from a non-van driver, I have to say.

JRC</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good news everyone. It seems like our friend Jonathan has developed a Professor Hubert Farnsworth personality right out of the blue. I shall observe this experience with great interest.
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post #157 of 164
Yeah he'll show us on Jan 7th. I seem to recall that as the battle cry of all BS artists.

"Don't believe me?!" , "I'll show you I was right on the xth of XXXXXer"

Then when the date comes and goes and they were wrong they just magically stop posting.

I think you're FAR FAR off the bat here Masterbate...

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post #158 of 164
Obviously he is, haven't you read the other thread yet?
post #159 of 164
Yeah because it's that OTHER thread that will finally set the record straight. Because you know, he's probably revealed himself to be Steve's next door neighbor, and well he saw some cool sh*t while peering through his binoculars the other day....



By the way, iRobot...no, Mr. Parsons has nothing to do with television (I have officially dated myself again - I'm old...). I was speaking of Alan Parsons, who had a band who made records about a mysterious creature called the I-Robot.
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Now that the fiasco with Masterhead is over, can we close this thread Mods? Pleeeeaase? :o
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