Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
Using preferences to cover up bad UI design issues is yet another classic design blunder.
It's only bad UI design in your mind. In my mind, its good UI design because it's how I prefer to work. No clutter. No clutter. No blasted clutter.
It's like that hideous old Finder that used to vomit windows all over my screen, I hated that thing with a passion. Mac OS X's Finder is so superior to that in just about every way, particularly in Panther, now that I've got labels back, plus the fabulous iTunes-like interface.
This has never worked "flawlessly" in any of the browsers you mention. I was paying attention when tabs were added to each of these browsers and the fact that people would close whole windows full of tabs was just one of the many issues that the UI geniuses that brought us tabs totally failed to account for. Only many people complaining about each flaw brought ad hoc fix upon ad hoc fix and as I outlined above it still isn't fixed for people who use the red close widget. "flawless" my ass.
People make mistakes with any interface, and in programs like web browsers, where there's no "File Save" dialogue when closing a window/tab, that can sometimes be a pain. But it's hardly an epidemic. Compare how many people do that each day to the number of folks who quit web browsers by hitting Cmd-Q instead of Cmd-W.
Note also that the Safari implementation of tabs is the best of the bunch (not on by default, doesn't re-(mis)-use the standard tab widget, doesn't re-(mis)-use the standard close widget and a host of other issues that Apple managed to get right) but it still sucks.
Your opinion, stop expecting me to cast mine aside and take your as gospel.
If you go back and read the other thread I mention you'll see that tab fans seem to have a need for a degree of visual order. I thought it was people used to the do-one-thing-at-a-time mentality enforced by OS 9 and Windows (the former due to instability, the latter thanks to horrific, lawsuit-avoiding UI compromises) but it appears it may be a personal preference kind of thing. Your certainly very uncompromising on the issue. I guess you don't like this app: http://www.sprote.com/clutter/
Yes, I do hate that program. Were anyone who works on me to put that program on my Mac, I would fire them. Well, first, I'd ask how they got into my Mac, and then I would fire them. Except that I never fire anyone.
You claim you're faster with tabs but Tog (http://www.asktog.com
) managed to puncture the similar claims of keyboard shorcut users by means of the crazy-out-there theoretical construct that I like to call "a stopwatch". Turns out that because they had to context switch between mouse and keyboard and actually think about what they were doing their subjective appreciation of time was less than just unthinkingly mousing to the menu. I think a similar issue may be occuring here.
No, I'm faster. I can more comfortably read more web pages, and flip through more web pages at once, using tabs. Because I can't read or write when there is clutter on the screen. It drives me quickly to distraction.
The one feature I really miss from Classic Mac OS, now that my labels are back, is the ability to hide those blasted desktop icons when I'm not in the Finder. Luckily, Mac OS X lets me keep my desktop blissfully clean by default, with no icons at all. But they always find there way there during my work periods.
Note also that the time taken to hit a target is a factor of both size and distance and the Window
menu's infinite height and constant location means it is almost certainly faster to use according to Fitts's Law (http://www.asktog.com/columns/022Des...GiveFitts.html
) than a small, poorly labelled, moving target that will do something destructive (i.e. close the tab) if your aim is off by a few pixels.
My aim is good, and since when I'm in Safari I mostly use my mouse and not my keyboard anyway, my hand is always at ready. Since I never move my web browser window, and avoid resizing it, I have fairly decent motor memory. Plus, I visually associate web pages with the tab they're on, not the name of the page. Having to go to a menu at the top and remember the name of the page I want to go to, instead of which tab it is (because I do most of my daily browsing in tab sets that launch in the same order each time) would be an incredible pain. To say nothing of the clutter problem of having multiple windows.
You said "Efficiency trumps tradition, experience trumps theory, logic trumps religion." I couldn't have put it better myself, except the tradition is MDI interfaces, experience is what actually happens not what you *think* happens, and logic is certainly on the side of those who actually study an issue rather than simply believe something with nothing but subjective personal experience to base it on.
Your arrogant "my opinion is good enough for you" is really offensive, you know that? Because I know I'm faster, and I know for a fact that I'm a HELL OF A LOT HAPPIER, which is all that really matters, anyway.