Originally posted by giant
Hey, look. MaxParrish lied, got called on it and he just went on ignoring it. How cute.
These people that base their world views on a series of falsehoods are funny.
My..My. I understand your limitations on time, but for someone that claims he's too busy to fully participate, it certainly annoys you when youre not promptly answered with a little imagination, Im sure you can appreciate different time zones and bedtimes.
Like you, I also have time limitations on critiquing the extensive the misinformation contained in your link to defense minutia and Saddam apologisms. So before you give me another link attesting to the innocence of the Rosenburgs or the benevolence of Uncle Joe, Ill address the single quote of mine you selected using your source of research.
I stated the links between Al Qaeda and Saddam were murky, but not absent. Among them I said Iraqs ambassador to Turkey met with Bin Laden in 1998 (in Afghanistan), reputedly to offer him Iraqi refuge.
Your sources says USA Today reported on September 26, Vince Cannistraro, former CIA counterterrorism chief, said the only known discussion of Iraq offering to harbor al Qaeda occurred in 1998 when Farouk Hijazi, Iraq's ambassador to Turkey and reputedly a top Iraqi intelligence official, went to Afghanistan after al-Qaeda bombed two U.S. embassies in Africa. Hijazi offered al-Qaeda sanctuary in Iraq, but terrorist leader Osama bin Laden turned it down, Cannistraro says, because he did not want to become a tool of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
It supports my contention, so Im not sure what you point is. Interesting though, if correct, Saddam thought it was in his interest to protect Bin Laden and his organization. Given that Osama did not accept the offer (a point never disputed), the incident showed Saddams interest in controlling terrorist operations not exactly an endorsement of his innocence is it?
In your reading, I think you missed the essential point of my post: that the American public does not make a granular distinction (nor should they) between different terrorists from the Muslim world. Trying to whitewash these groups (oh they werent really THAT close, or they didnt REALLY like one another, or actually it was a different alphabet terrorist group, or he left that organization before joining another terrorist group, or that fellow in Iraq was Al Qaeda but he wasnt that important, or its been many years since the U.S. was threatened by XYZ group) fails to appreciate the relevant truths; i.e., that Saddam Hussain protected a wide swath of terrorist organizations, he recruited from their ranks, and conducted his own terror operations - just as it fails to acknowledge that almost all Islamic terrorists share a powerful and mutual animosity towards the United States regardless of their specific tactics or ends.
As to Salmon Pak and Hersch? I wont close on most of Hersch at this point (you can imagine what I think of some of his crackpot investigations - his history kind of reminds me of my exposure to kook rightists of the CFR, Tri-lateral commission, and the Order of the Illuminati.)
However, I will leave you with this, from the War Over Iraq by Kaplan and Kristol: That camp is a school for terrorists, offering classes in assassination, hijacking, kidnapping and sabotage. We were training these people to attack installations important to the United States' a senior Iraqi defector told the New York TimesA parade of defectors have described how the plane is used to school terrorists including Islamic extremists from across the Arab world in the art of seizing commercial aircraft. 'They are even trained on how to use utensils for food, like forks, and knives provided on the plane' another defector told Aviation Week and Space Technology. 'They are trained to plant horror in the passengers by doing such actions.' The stories about the camp and the 707 have been corroborated in recent years by, among others, Charles Duelfer and Hamas too has benefited from Saddams generosity, apparently receiving training in weapons, even suicide bombing, at Iraqs Salman Pak terrorist camp.
Of course even Hersch carefully worded his brief on behalf of Saddam, noting that the camp(has not) yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war which is different than saying it was used for there is no proof or that it yielded evidence for counter-terrorism.