Do you think the new iMac can save Apple?

Save Apple from what?

They are doing fine, but I still hope they sell alot of new iMac's

[ 01-23-2002: Message edited by: fobie ]</p>

A better question is: can the new iMac help Apple grow? The answer is yes. The iMac combined with the iBook, PowerBook, and hopefully better PowerMacs will help a lot.

Too bad they don't realize Apple doesn't need to be saved from anything.

Ummmm, maybe from some of the people on this forum?

The real question will be:

Is the new iMac good enough to force Apple to realease PowerMac G5 systems?

I don't care about iMac....all I fu*king care is Power Macs

[ 01-23-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>

Don't need saving yet, but marketshare has been declining since the original imacs primetime.

[quote]Originally posted by xmoger:
<strong>Don't need saving yet, but marketshare has been declining since the original imacs primetime.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think with the new iMacs the marketshare will increase.

...saved from being described as "embattled" in the media? Probably not.
:cool:

The new iMacs are a very welcomed addition to the Mac line up. I'm sure once they to start to advertise, the new iMacs will be in huge demand.

Note: The iMac bouncing his head in the iMac movie would be very cool to see in a new iMac ad. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Market share will not increase at the prices Apple charges. Sorry. For market share to increase they need a cheap if conventional $500 US box.

As good and feature rich as that iMac is, not enough people can afford to buy it. For what Apple charges at the low end (1299 LCD) in US (real) dollars, I can get the equivalent on the PC side in Canadian (65 cent on the dollar discount) dollars. By the same token the CRT iMacs aren't cheap enough too compete against budget PC's that offer bigger screens.

I'm not talking about style/performance/ease of use/user experience here. I talking about what people can afford to buy. And a lot of what people can afford to buy is crap, but at least it's cheap crap. For internet and office use, even an eMachines box isn't going to cause problems if you don't fvck with it.

If Apple wants market share they'll get the New iMac down to 899-1499 US and find a way to get the Classic iMac down to 499US. The parts in that thing ought to be cheap enough to make an ultra affordable iMac and still make a decent margin. 8x CDrw, 15" CRT, and 20GB hdd's are practically free (even at retail prices). Classic iMac should be one model only: 499. A bottom end LCD should undercut the other two by 100 bucks. They could get close now if they tried: drop the HDD from 40 to 20 and the CDrw from 24x to 8x; cut the margin a tad; lose a firewire port; drop the VRAM to 16MB.

If you could buy the igloo iMac for 899 with the following spec, would you?

G4 700
15" LCD
128MB ram
16MB Geforce 2MX
20Gb HDD
8x CDrw
1 firewire
2 usb
no speakers

Matsu, making a computer like that wouldn't really help Apple in the long run. Apple's long term goals may include gaining market share, but in the short term, it's goal is to weather the current economic slowdown/recession.

I like watching the PC manufacturers decide to exit the consumer PC market. It gives Apple some more elbow room. In the end, I think we'll see Compaq, Dell, and Apple left standing, and that's when Apple can try and compete them to death.

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>
If you could buy the igloo iMac for 899 with the following spec, would you?

G4 700
15" LCD
128MB ram
16MB Geforce 2MX
20Gb HDD
8x CDrw
1 firewire
2 usb
no speakers</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you and it would be good if Apple could get to those prices and I'm sure they will. The original iMac went lower over time. One thing though, PC prices won't stay ultra low forever. The only PC box maker not in trouble is Dell so at some point prices will go up due to fewer players or an end to the price wars. Also, the new iMac doesn't need to be a market share silver bullet. Apple gains market share when it sells any model to a non Mac user.
Finally to answer your question no <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> I would not buy it since I want more power and a superdrive and I'm willing to pay for it.

I agree. I was thinking of the question of whether market-share will increase with the current line-up. For now at least, it won't. Only cheap computers can do that. Margins would suffer, Apple can't afford that, I know. But they won't increase their marketshare (in any dramatic way) unless they can compete at the bottom end.

Whether they should want to or not is open to debate. The best they can hope for from the current new iMac is to increase their market share amongst affluent users. Not a bad place to increase your market at all.