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post #41 of 115
Gelding,
what's the colour gamut on the monitor like? If you compared the old iMac and the new iMac side by side... do colours line up for the same files? I do web & graphic design stuff and have heard that lcd monitors can be too saturated in the dark greys and stuff... hope this isn't the case because I'm really looking forward to the new iMac
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gelding... thanks so much for posting the photo of the new iMac on your desk. I hope people notice how uncluttered and simple it looks. That's exactly why all the ports are on the back. Apple knows what they are doing. Why mess up the smooth look in front with two or three ports that you only use once in a while.

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Alright, I know I won't be booting up often, just waking up, but I am curious how long it takes to boot up. My iMac 333MHz running 9.1 takes almost 3 minutes to boot up :eek: .
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[quote]Originally posted by bauman:
<strong>Alright, I know I won't be booting up often, just waking up, but I am curious how long it takes to boot up. My iMac 333MHz running 9.1 takes almost 3 minutes to boot up :eek: .</strong><hr></blockquote>

3 minutes? wow. might i suggest disabling the RAM tests at startup, defragging your directory file and turning off extensions you dont/can't use. you can pear it down.
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[quote]Originally posted by bauman:
<strong>Alright, I know I won't be booting up often, just waking up, but I am curious how long it takes to boot up. My iMac 333MHz running 9.1 takes almost 3 minutes to boot up :eek: .</strong><hr></blockquote>

i just did a little test run with the 333mhz imac here at work. from pushing the power button to mounting the desktop ready to work was 1:25
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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Maybe I'm just more easily placated (or impressed) because here's my scenario:

Currently have:
- 400MHz G3
...

Will soon have (within 2 weeks)
- 800MHz G4
- 768MB RAM
- 60GB hard drive
- 32MB nVidia GeForce2 graphics
- SuperDrive drive
- 15" viewable LCD @ 1024x768
- Apple full-size pro keyboard and optical mouse
- Apple Pro Speakers

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: pscates ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Okay I registered just so I could outdo you.

I am currently on a PowerMac 5500
- 603e 225 MHz
- 32 MB RAM
- 512 KB of VRAM
- stuck using OS 8.6

I have a new iMac on order that seems to be taking forever... everyday on this older machine using an old crashy OS is painsful knowing that "soon" I will be using a UNIX based OS. However "soon" seems to be defined as almost a month now and probably much more. To make the pain even worst, I am UNIX geek at heart and I really look forward to playing with the commandline. I ordered through the local apple sepcialist(trying to give back a bit to the local economy).... but apple hasn't even given them a display model yet.

Let's see...
- The CPU will be at least 4 times faster considering the 603e is several generations old.
- RAM will be increased 8 times over
- VRAM will be increased 64 times over(man that has improved over the years)
-Harddrive space about 10x bigger.
- I should no longer crash every day(as long as I don't play Myth 3 on OS X)
- Although strangely my 5500 can do things the iMac can't like s-video in and out.

Anyways, I bet there are people out there who can out do me in terms of what they are upgrading from.... anyone still using an 040 chip?
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post #47 of 115
Geez ppl ! I beat you all to death !

I'm still using a good old Mac IIci at home, since 10 whole years !! Ok, here are the specs :

Mac IIci, MacOS 7.1, 32 MB RAM, 500 MB HD, Radius 32 bit video card, and Daystar 040 at 50 MHz.

This machine screems, really! I'm using iMacs at work with MacOS 9.2 and I hate it. It is so much crippled and badly configured, it's a bad computer and pale in comparison to my IIci.

I'll buy a new dual 1GHz with a GB Ram in 2 or 3 months. Can you see the jump ?? I'll have to hold my ears with my hands when it will start for the first time.

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post #48 of 115
[quote]Originally posted by Gastropod:
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anyone still using an 040 chip?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Geez. That only took about 20 minutes. I'm impressed.
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[quote]Originally posted by Kali:
<strong>Geez ppl ! I beat you all to death !

I'm still using a good old Mac IIci at home, since 10 whole years !! Ok, here are the specs :

Mac IIci, MacOS 7.1, 32 MB RAM, 500 MB HD, Radius 32 bit video card, and Daystar 040 at 50 MHz.
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Man, the IIci, that was a freaking great computer. Mine only had 80/8 for HD and RAM, so I haven't used it in a while, but it really is nifty keene. I had a scanner, CDROM, and 9600 baud modem for that bad boy, not to mention the pimpin Radius page-view monitor. Hardcore.

But I still can't wait for the new iMac
post #50 of 115
[quote]Originally posted by bauman:
<strong>Alright, I know I won't be booting up often, just waking up, but I am curious how long it takes to boot up. My iMac 333MHz running 9.1 takes almost 3 minutes to boot up :eek: .</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's time for you to do a clean install of the system. It makes such a difference. I have to do it maybe every 3 months (less now that I pretty much always use X and not 9). makes a big difference
post #51 of 115
turned my new iMac off just for you....left it off for about an hour....restarted it...took 1:05 from pushing button to dock being up and my connecting to the internet.....mouse arrow came up at just about a minute...dock about 5 seconds later....g
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[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>turned my new iMac off just for you....left it off for about an hour....restarted it...took 1:05 from pushing button to dock being up and my connecting to the internet.....mouse arrow came up at just about a minute...dock about 5 seconds later....g</strong><hr></blockquote>

My cube starts up in nearly the same time. :eek:
post #53 of 115
Thanks as well for the pictures thegelding, it does look better than I expected on a desk and next to the old iMac....sorry old Paint, i gotta take ya out back and shute ya...

I like the touch of the old iMac seen as a FW drive!! Too bad we can't use the old iMacs as a twin screen.

One thing that also impressed me from your photo was how easy you can add desk space by just pushing back the screen when not in use! How cool is that!

I've been a philosophic crt hold out, but I see the writing on the LCD....
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post #54 of 115
Oh and thanks for the outdoors shots too? So you in southern Colorado?!?! I'm always amazed at seeing dry snow, here in Oregon it turns to mud...for the next 4 months.
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post #55 of 115
Hey Gelding, I just spotted this

<a href="http://www.barefeats.com/pm04.html" target="_blank">http://www.barefeats.com/pm04.html</a>

on "bare feats". It's a comparison of how the new iMac measures up against an 800 dual tower and a 733 tower. Not bad for something significantly cheaper, and which a little over a month ago was not even worth the comparison. I can't wait. Mine's in Anchorage now. Soon.
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post #56 of 115
Yes those numbers aren't that bad and if the 800 had a faster bus, hard drive, and a removable video card it would be close to perfect for the price.
post #57 of 115
OK, OK, Maybe I was exaggerating. I just timed it. 2:25. That's a bit better, but still very long. I only have 192 MB of ram, and the RAM check doesn't take long at all. I parsed down the system folder recently, so I guess I'll defrag the machine. I don't want to put much time and effort into a clean install, but that's not a bad idea.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
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[quote]Originally posted by bauman:
<strong>OK, OK, Maybe I was exaggerating. I just timed it. 2:25. That's a bit better, but still very long. I only have 192 MB of ram, and the RAM check doesn't take long at all. I parsed down the system folder recently, so I guess I'll defrag the machine. I don't want to put much time and effort into a clean install, but that's not a bad idea.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
~bauman</strong><hr></blockquote>

i've gotten the best startup speed bumps by defragging the directory file with either the "directory maintenance" tool in tech tool or by using norton's speed disk. check that you aren't running unnecessary extensions too. conflict catcher is a great tool for checking what extensions actually do. i've been amazed at how many are actually expendible.
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post #59 of 115
gelding...

I wasn't able to get on the board all weekend and Monday, and that was the day my iMac arrived, having survived the regulatory agency delay in Alaska. I've enjoyed reading your comments and seeing the pictures, including the view out your door. Your snow moved over to Fort Worth, where it snowed for 9 hours yesterday. Too flat to ski, though.

Anyway, I'm very happy with my machine, (actually my WIFE'S machine, as she keeps reminding me), and my experiences with it have been very similar to yours. I'm working my way through learning OSX, with some long-distance calls to my son.

I had the iMac delivered to my office, and I set it up so all my co-workers (who have never touched a Mac) could see it. I made several converts that day. It was the center of attention of the whole office for hours.

Have fun!

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post #60 of 115
congrats barvow....isn't it pretty hope you keep enjoying it, i keep finding new things everyday with os X to make it run better (or at least help me to run it better)....if you get a chance, add a photo here....have fun with your (i mean your wife's ) machine....g
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post #61 of 115
this man took a photo of the iMac still in it's box.....someone asked for this and i lost the photo....it takes up little space in the box and looks a bit like a preying mantis or some bug with the speakers on top like eyes...g

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thegelding, that's the damn coolest box I've ever seen. You've got to post more of them :eek:

I won't see mine until Monday since I'm due in (doing) <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> Manhattan this weekend. But the cube was only a little smaller, while the 15" LCD and Cinema 22" were humongous :eek: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />

What is in a name; if I can get the desk cleared up at the office I can show the iMac next to a cube; but I've got to quietly put a 7500 to sleep... It will be a sad moment, especially with those 3 Apple external SCSI HDs being unplugged one by one..... Sort of like a HAL9000's last moments.

Sorry Dave,.... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #63 of 115
Wow, that page has been linked a few times it seems... 12217 hits.
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and mine only has 527 hits....dang

cubit...that is not my site...can't post anymore photos of the iMac still in it's box...i have been using it for a week and would never be able to put it back the way it came....so it is up to you...when you get you iMac take many photos of the unboxing....g

don't know if i would let it sit in a mail room over the weekend...give them a call and see if one of the mail clerks will come in for a half hour on saturday so you can pick it up...might be worth it for him/her if you offer them a few bucks....g

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post #65 of 115
thegelding, one question.
Is there only one power button at the back of the new iMac ore is there a another one at the front? I'm not sure about that point.

Thanks in advance
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post #66 of 115
I'll answer that question. Only one power button on the back of the base. Apple is encouraging users to keep the iMac in sleep mode when not in use. I spent a few minutes playing with one at CompUSA yesterday. Looks much better in person. The screen is exceptionally bright and easy to move yet stays put.
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post #67 of 115
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[quote] cubit...that is not my site...can't post anymore photos of the iMac still in it's box...i have been using it for a week and would never be able to put it back the way it came....so it is up to you...when you get you iMac take many photos of the unboxing....g

don't know if i would let it sit in a mail room over the weekend...give them a call and see if one of the mail clerks will come in for a half hour on saturday so you can pick it up...might be worth it for him/her if you offer them a few bucks....g <hr></blockquote>

He its in Jersey; everything's taken care of
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post #68 of 115
one button on back


new photo...is the dock a better size now EnAm?



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added word, entourage, quicken and quark to dock.....removed mail and appleworks....plus i added iPhoto to the dock...i was surprised that it wasn't there by default....g

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Yep. Good size

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thanks....and thanks for not ragging me about misspelling your name :o EmAn EnAm


ok must remember EmAn!! g
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[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>thanks....and thanks for not ragging me about misspelling your name :o EmAn EnAm


ok must remember EmAn!! g</strong><hr></blockquote>

It was close enough, so no big deal
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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can you try a test for me with the speakers?

I was using the new iMac and when I played something like a rock song I couldn't go above 75 percent volume withpout bad distortion. does the iSub fix that problem? could you try like a heavy song with and without the isub at near max volume and see if it makes a difference or distorts with the iSub?</strong><hr></blockquote>


can you please try this out?
post #73 of 115
yes applenut i will try that and get back to you (but i'm an old man and rarely play my music that loud)....g


ok...played some AC/DC (big gun...about the hardest rocking song i have on iTunes at the moment...can also check with some punk or glam rock if you like) with and without the iSub....sound (of course) is much fuller with iSub and cleaner? too..clearer and much nicer sounding.....

with iSub on it sounds best about 2/3 of max volume...at 3/4 the pro speakers were bouncing on the table (probably should move iSub to floor if playing that loud)...could easily fill a dorm room at 2/3 with pro speakers and iSub without distortion....at 3/4 there is still no distortion with the iSub, but the sound is getting more muddled and the speaker cones of the pro speakers is really boucing in and out (a bit more than i am comfortable letting them do for too long)....

without the iSub....never as clear, clean or full sounding....plus distortion starts around 2/3 of volume and really kicks in at 3/4....if you use your iMac as a sound system in your room or dorm, definetly get an iSub....will help out volume and sound quality greatly....

would have loved to have this computer when i was in college...think of all the chicks i could have gotten wait, i was with my wife at the time, so i take back that last statement

hope this helps g


ok also tried bowie (hang onto yourself from 1972 Ziggy Stardust lp)....again, could get above 3/4 with iSub...no distortion, good sound, but speaker cone really working with lots of movement.....without iSub, instant distortion at 3/4...not a good sound....get an iSub today is my suggestion or a boombox will actually give you better sound..burn cds with your iMac and play on your boombox.....though the iMac is great sounding for my computer room...g

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thanks. just what I wanted to hear. I really wish the iSub was bundled at least with 1799 model so that it was truly a complete package.

I also thought the iSub would have seen a price break by now
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your welcome....price break?? when i bought mine it was 99 freakin bucks...i think it is 59 bucks now....so almost half of it's orginal price....it really does improves the sound...at $99 it was way too expensive...at $59 it is worth it for the increased sound and quality...it would be a steal at 40-49 bucks....g
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is it really 59 now? I thought it was still 99.

59 isn't that bad.

I still think it should be included on the high end model.
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should be included since it makes the iMac sound so much better...

maybe they make a gamers/music iMac with 17 inch lcd, iSub standard and combo drive with GeForce 3 or 4...

for an iSub now:

<a href="http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=965535" target="_blank">http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=965535</a>

or

<a href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/211/wo/lPXLL1GlAMyt2IeNDw1/0.3.0.3.30.69.1.1" target="_blank">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/211/wo/lPXLL1GlAMyt2IeNDw1/0.3.0.3.30.69.1.1</a>

if apple is dropping the price, maybe something new is coming?? g
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Yes, I just got an iSub for $60 from Amazon.com...
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In Europe the iSub is at about 60-70 without taxes and sometimes marked with the words "new price".

I will get one if my iMac will arrive this year.
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[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>should be included since it makes the iMac sound so much better...
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how do you use this isub? (i mean, whats it plug into?) im assuming it works in conjunction with the speakers we got with our new imac?
i have some logitech speakers and subwoofer i bought a few months ago, and they sound really good. i've had many a slammin' party with them. i was thinking about switching back to them but they dont match as well, being that they're putty colored with a black subwoofer. i dont like how i get distortion with these new imac speakers with volume over 75%. maybe when i have a party, i can switch. for now, i dont need to hear "you've got mail" with a booming bass.
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