Originally posted by kneelbeforezod
The only actual problem with Dean as a Democratic candidate is that he has had the 'unelectable' tag hung around his neck (Rove must love this)...but I don't see that this is necessarily the case. He's smart, charismatic, dedicated and has integrity. Granted, he's not as telegenic as Clarke, but he has more political experience. He's not as much a part of the Democratic establishment as Kerry, but has better policies. His policies aren't as good as Kucinich's, but he doesn't look like a weird gnome person.
So - and this is directed at trumptman and SDW2001 in particular - why do you think he is unelectable? What (partisan politics aside for the moment) abilities and leadership qualities does Bush have that Dean does not?
The real reason Dean is unelectable (in my humble opinion) is because most Democratic positions (and his too) are really criticisms followed by plans that believe in perfection.
When you have someone who comes from a privleged background as Dean has, (so did Gore too by the way) it just makes these positions even more unbelievable.
So Bush is a draft dodger who got a perk type position flying planes in the national guard. Dean took some time off and was a ski bum who's back ailment didn't allow him to serve, but did allow him to hit the slopes everyday.
The Bush criticism is, well see, he got that because of his background. He got that because his family is rich.
And we look at Dean and... say pretty much the same thing. In fact I would bet there were plenty of poor men who had ailments similar to Dean but who's families couldn't afford the array of specilists it took to find and identify it. They just went off and served, and also possibly died.
So the rich are privleged, including the Democratic rich, but we have to somehow believe that Dean, who obviously took advantage of his status is some how going to end it for all after him. It just doesn't float.
How about how Bush critics complain, in conspiratorial tones that Bush has secret deals for friends in all areas. That his policy is always slanted toward his interests. Then we look at Dean who has sealed up the bulk of his business while working as governor. So much for operating with open doors.
Let's take a look at a few of these since Chu posted them.
Repeal the Bush tax cuts, and use those funds to pay for universal health care, homeland security, and investments in job creation that benefit all Americans.
Might fly, but only if they can prove that they will tax all to give something for all. If the plan is full of exceptions and free rides, it will sink. People will not trust the health care they receive today to be replaced by something corrupt and that they end up paying more for.
Set the nation on the path to a balanced budget, recognizing that we cannot have social or economic justice without a sound fiscal foundation.
So this means he will get rid of tax credits as well that pay out money to folks who haven't even paid in? It is hard for me to become outraged that someone who makes $200k gets to keep 1.5-2% more of their money when someone who make 30k also gets to keep 2% more of that someone's money via a earned income tax credit, child credit, etc.
If we all must suffer then share the pain, but I seldom see plans that call for that on the Democratic side.
Create a fairer and simpler system of taxation.
The only way to do this is to make it less progressive. It is nice rhetoric that will never see the light of day on the Democratic side. The reason we have these huge fluxs in tax revenue is because the base is too narrow. To widen it you have to be willing to raise taxes on everyone instead of seeking more from the "rich." Sounds good, but I doubt the follow up reflects what I have stated.
Assure that Social Security and Medicare are adequately funded to meet the needs of the next generation of retirees.
Good luck... unless the program goes back to only trying to be a subsidy and this also goes for the big REPUBLICAN boondoggle of prescription drugs, these programs will go bankrupt. Dean at one times advocated means testing for medicare and social security and also raising the retirement age. Those were real solutions that have now been jettisoned.
The hardest thing about winning against Bush, and I DON'T like this as a Republican, is that he spends like mad. It is going to be really hard to run as the "I'm not going to take more, just give more and oh, they'll be no pain for anyone." type of guy. Bush has done well here even though I don't agree with how he has done it.