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The good folks at OmniGroup have been talking for months about a sneaky peek or other sort of preview of the upcoming OmniWeb 5 (the first version rewritten totally to be WebKit and the like integrated, unlike the quick-fix of 4.5, with a new UI that includes a "tab killer" feature and other sorts of stuff we've come to expect from the UI geniuses at Omni). Hmmm... Christmas is just about upon us, with New Years soon after that.

Has anyone heard, from other boards or various sources, anything about this product? I'm a big fan of Omni's software, and look forward to see where they take web browsing, now that they don't have to work on a rendering engine (which they were never really all that good at in the first place).

Kirk
post #2 of 70
"Tab KIller"? I thought those folks from the OmniGroup were good loving people. Check out this huge MacNN Forumn Thread
post #3 of 70
Judging by the pics that Krypton posted, the tab-killer seems to be a page thumnail sidebar like Preview's. Seems cool.

http://www.graham.curtis.dsl.pipex.c...er/omniweb.jpg



[edit by Brad: I made the first image a link. It's a bit wide.]
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My feeling is that these are simply PhotoShoped images. Notice that the Adobe PhotoElements icon is on the dock in the picture? And that in the two images, one has one feature, and the other the other feature.

Oh... and the thumbnails has three problems: The commas in the url's (not conclusive, but puzzling). There is no obvious widget to open/close the thumbnails section (OmniGroup always do that.. it promotes good use of space). And that the thumbnails is not in a drawer: OmniWeb loves that metaphor and this would seem to be just what it would be used for.

Either it is a fake, or I am disappointed in OW5. I lean heavily towards the former.
post #6 of 70
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Originally posted by Karl Kuehn
My feeling is that these are simply PhotoShoped images.

Bingo.

The Omni Group has not released any screenshots of OmniWeb 5.0. All that you may find have been faked.

That top screenshot is actually a mix of OmniWeb and Mozilla Firebird. Not real.
post #7 of 70
And for further proof here is what the creator of those images wrote:

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That's because those are file names (the sidebar is pasted out of Graphic Converter) and Mac OS X won't let me have .com in a file name without it being an extension. It was a very quick and dirty copy and paste affair I'm afraid.
post #8 of 70
Ugh. Horrid design... takes up more space than individual tabs, and it's useless in my most common tabbing system: opening multiple threads on webboards.

In that design, opening a bunch of AI threads in tabs would all look pretty much the same, while tabs at least list a little bit of the thread topic...
post #9 of 70
If they are using WebKit what takes so long to make? I hope they don't charge for it. I don't think people can charge for browsers anymore since open source ones like Mozilla are finally good quality, and companies like Apple and Microsoft give there arguably good quality (at least Safari) browsers away for free too.
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post #10 of 70
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Originally posted by Aquatic
If they are using WebKit what takes so long to make? I hope they don't charge for it. I don't think people can charge for browsers anymore since open source ones like Mozilla are finally good quality, and companies like Apple and Microsoft give there arguably good quality (at least Safari) browsers away for free too.

An HTML display framework alone does not a good browser make!!

Think about all the options and tools that OmniWeb has. The Omni Group did an incredibly fast job implementing them with WebCore by the 4.5 release. Keep in mind also that there are some major interface updates in the works for OW5. Tabs, for example, are not a natural product of WebCore. You have to implement some sort of window or pane manager yourself if you want one. Preferences? Threading? Object manipulation? File handling? Download managing? That's your job.

WebCore is just page access and display, little more. Even though that is a major chunk of an app, it's far from the whole thing. Simplifying this process as you are is on the order of saying something like "Camino is just another build of Mozilla." Say that to Mike Pinkerton and you'll probably get smacked.

As for price, I already mentioned recently in another thread that Omni has planned to use the same licensing scheme for OmniWeb 5 that is in the current and older releases. There are no limitations or crutches for unregistered users. There is occasionally an immediately-dismissable nag screen on startup (with some cute messages, IMO). There is a watermark on the screen on pages that have been idle for five minutes that goes away when you move the mouse. Is that really so bad?

For all the features that OmniWeb offers over the other browsers, it should be well worth a shareware fee... but you won't have to pay it if you don't want to.
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Well, that is cool. OS X has a plethora of damn cool and exclusive browsers, OW looks like the best one, Camino being somewhere in the top of that list too. I just read on Slasdhot how they are porting Konqueror itself to OS X. Hopefully it won't be a damn X11 app.
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post #12 of 70
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Well, that is cool. OS X has a plethora of damn cool and exclusive browsers, OW looks like the best one, Camino being somewhere in the top of that list too. I just read on Slasdhot how they are porting Konqueror itself to OS X. Hopefully it won't be a damn X11 app.

thing is, i don't want too many more broswers for the mac... i want a bunch of good, full-featured, web-standards compliant browsers to crop up on WINDOWS. mind you, i don't know how anyone could get market penetration without microsoft to help, but i still believe it's possible (i am an idealist).
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post #13 of 70
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Well, that is cool. OS X has a plethora of damn cool and exclusive browsers, OW looks like the best one, Camino being somewhere in the top of that list too. I just read on Slasdhot how they are porting Konqueror itself to OS X. Hopefully it won't be a damn X11 app.

Nope, it runs as a native application. That is because the source to Konqueror is written in QT, and you can use QT for Mac to compile it to Carbon calls (instead of X11 calls).

Although I've been running Konq on X11 for a year or so. Personally, I'm going to wait until someone makes a binary package of Konq for Mac OS X.

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Originally posted by Aquatic
If they are using WebKit what takes so long to make? I hope they don't charge for it. I don't think people can charge for browsers anymore since open source ones like Mozilla are finally good quality, and companies like Apple and Microsoft give there arguably good quality (at least Safari) browsers away for free too.

WebKit is not the same thing as WebCore -- WebKit provides view management, text/image rendering, networking, cookies, etc. OmniWeb uses WebCore, which is just for HTML parsing and display. We control the text renderer, image renderer, network layer, frame management, plugins, horizontal, vertical, etc.

Essentially, we've written our own version of WebKit to suit OmniWeb's needs. That's a lot harder than opening up Interface Builder, dropping in a "WebView", and calling it done.

Screenshots soon...
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man... WebCore...pfhhh....

Can we talk about Grindcore instead?
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Originally posted by Nebagakid
man... WebCore...pfhhh....

Can we talk about Grindcore instead?

Dude. These forums have a smokey face? Sweet.
post #17 of 70
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Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni

Screenshots soon...


Soon means...?
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Originally posted by foad
Soon means...?

Today, I think.
post #19 of 70
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Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni
Today, I think.

haha...can't wait!
post #20 of 70
OmniWeb Productivity Bundle, here I come! (As soon as OW5 is out)
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post #22 of 70
OMFG!!!! Screenshots of Omniweb 5!!!!!!

http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/5/

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Originally posted by foad
looky looky!

http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/5/


Snap!

post #24 of 70
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Purchases of OmniWeb 4.5 dated December 2003 and later are eligible for a free upgrade to OmniWeb 5.

*Click* Bought it.
post #25 of 70
I like the new features a lot! I can't wait to mess around with it.

I was wondering if it is possible to set the size of the thumbnails in the drawer? On a laptop that big drawer might waste screen real estate.
post #26 of 70
Having it licensed feels good. Ah. Peace of mind.

And all those new features! They've done it again.
post #27 of 70
You have to watch thevideo of the tab draw in action. Good bye Safari, Camino, Mozilla, IE, and every other browser out there.
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post #28 of 70
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You have to watch thevideo of the tab draw in action. Good bye Safari, Camino, Mozilla, IE, and every other browser out there.

Yeah it looks awesome!
post #29 of 70
A question: can anyone (Tim2?) comment on the unicode support in OW 5? In OW 4.2 it works fine, in OW 4.5 it appears broken (same rendering as Camino or other Mozilla based browsers), how about OW 5?
post #30 of 70
Ok, I've calmed down a little after the initial shock wore off. This really is going to set the bar high when it comes to web browsers. The individual site preferences is genius, the workspaces seem great. The customizable search field, sorry moki, means I don't have to buy iSeek. Finally page marking makes so much more sense then Snap Back. Alls the while being built on WebCore. I'm sure this is only the tip of the iceberg too.

[SIZE=4]Way to go OmniGroup[/SIZE]
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Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni
Dude. These forums have a smokey face? Sweet.

Don't be thinking the use of multple one's in a post is for your use though, buddy boy...

EDIT: my post from MacNN on the tab video:
That is the feature that is going to get me to buy a browser (rather than use the free ones). The animations..Oh my..how much processor does it take up, though?

Can it be on both sides of the window? The toolbar icon would not suggest so....

That is just ****ing amazing... like, so ****ing amazing. I tip my hats off to you all at the OmniGroup.... Can I be an OmniGroupie ...man, what a horrible joke....

That is the most amazing thing ever, I love it... I cannot describe how much I love it

Can we see the App Icon now?
post #32 of 70
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Originally posted by Nebagakid

Can it be on both sides of the window? The toolbar icon would not suggest so....

I would assume so. It appears to be a standard sidebar.
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post #33 of 70
OmniWeb 5: Now with one handed navigation for you Pr0n freaks.


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HEY ALL

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To: Safari

Buh-bye.

Sincerely,
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post #36 of 70
Oh shiza! Just watched the video. Count me in!


I hope they end up creating a bundle. I'd love to see

OW5
Omnigraffl
Omnioutliner

all bundled together for a princely sum.
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post #37 of 70
now, you see? THIS is why i want more browsers like this ported to windows. seriously, i don't care how embedded internet explorer is to windows, you market and offer this broswer to the windows crowd, and maybe offer it free bundled with itunes 4 for windows (that way, apple doesn't have to port safari, remaining an apple exclusive, but they also help ween people off of IE), and i GUARANTEE defections, at least away from IE. period.

i truly believe that people will eventually be swayed by better features and design. idealistic, i know, but it's time microsoft learned an important lesson that you can't just buy up cyberspace acreage and trust it won't come back to bite you in the ass later.
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post #38 of 70
hmurchison: They already have such a bundle. Check it out here. It includes OmniGraffle 3 (standard edition), OmniWeb 4 (free upgrade to OW5 if you buy now), OmniOutliner 2 and OmniDiskSweeper. All for $119.95. Education pricing is available.

Yeah, I'm a Omni Group whore... ahaha!
post #39 of 70
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Wow, this is even better than I expected. Absolutely fabulous work, guys. February 2 can't come soon enough!

It's a strong statement about the Mac platform that, even with an OS-provided web browser, there's still great platform-specific web browsing innovation going on. And most of it is coming from Omni!

You just got my $30! (See, I'm even gonna forego my student discount!)
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Originally posted by Defiant
hmurchison: They already have such a bundle. Check it out here. It includes OmniGraffle 3 (standard edition), OmniWeb 4 (free upgrade to OW5 if you buy now), OmniOutliner 2 and OmniDiskSweeper. All for $119.95. Education pricing is available.

Yeah, I'm a Omni Group whore... ahaha!

Cool! Thanks Defiant. I knew they had bundles but I didn't know about what products.

Can't wait to see what they've done with Outliner 3.
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