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post #121 of 205
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.
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post #122 of 205
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Originally posted by michaelb
1) It wasn't confirmed that Jobs was actually delivering the keynote until later than usual. Maybe they weren't sure the only product they have to announce (the miniPods) would be ready.

Really? I don't recall hearing anything about Steve Jobs confirming late. But perhaps it was just because it was thought to be a given?

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2) There is no obvious QuickTime stream in place yet.

Someone posted a bit above that there was a link posted for a period of time in Dec, but it has just recently gone missing. I am sure it will resurface.

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3) There is no big MacWorld promotion at www.apple.com, no "you ain't seen nothin' yet", "9 days and counting" hype.

Apple did this once, and only once (before the intro of the new iMac). It hadn't been done before or since. This is not an indication of anything really, as I think that the whole thing backfired (caused overhype).

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4) Apart from miniPods, the rumors of "new" products amount to software updates only. The rumor sites may be quiet NOT because Apple is good at keeping a secret, but there are no secrets to keep.

The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac. They can get the little things pretty good however. Not that I am saying there will be something big, but i wouldn't be surprised if something gets announced/released that none of the rumor sites sees coming. Apple IS good at keeping secrets on certain KEY products.
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post #124 of 205
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Originally posted by satchmo
Of course hardware is more sexy, but could this be the time we see an Apple branded "Office" suite of apps?

I bet when they DO release it, it will use AppleWorks to wipe it's metaphorical butt. It will use some great Cocoa built-in stuff, which is already great. They just need to incorporate Sketch and TextEdit with some Spreadsheetin'.
post #125 of 205
i DO remember reading a post on appleinsider? about in the spring of the year before the ipod was introduced about someone overhearing some apple employees talking about something called an "ipod pavillion" and i remember the poster said they stopped talking when they noticed the listener. i wondered then what "ipod pavillion" could stand for, now we know.

however steve has clamped down on rumors. it used to be that in the weeks before a mac event we'd have at least blurry photos of new products. remember the pic of the mdd powermac? or the first photo of the "see-through" case of the imac special edition? the "workerbee" mouse?

now nothing...

steve must have these people locked in a room until the stevenote! lol
post #126 of 205
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Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4

I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.
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post #127 of 205
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Originally posted by kupan787
I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube,...

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post #128 of 205
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post #129 of 205
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Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Fact.

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post #130 of 205
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Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.

10,000 songs means a 40GB storage device. If so, it can't be flash based. If it's the new 1-inch hard drives then $249 seems too cheap.

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post #131 of 205
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Originally posted by gfeier
I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.

I think he'll go beyond 3GHz at WWDC. He should have no problems doing it either.
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post #132 of 205
I don't understand how any rational minded person could possibly think the iMac's form factor will be updated, seeing as how they just released a new model -- the 20". When has Apple ever released a new version of an existing piece of hardware, only to replace it with an entirely new one but a month or two later?

Furthermore, why go to all the work to engineer, market, and distribute a new machine only for a month or two? That isn't how economics work. Manufacturers lose money for the first few months on a product, then after having sold them for quite a while, start making the money back. The "quiet a while" varies depending on the product, of course, but there is no way all the costs involved with creating the 20" could be recouped in the short amount of time it has been out.

Don't get swept up in the Mac fervor by reading these boards too much. Step back, think about the situation, and you'll see that a bunch of people posting on here does not a make for a new Mac.
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post #133 of 205
I see things a bit differrently, with in a month or two we should be able to pick up 3GHz G5's or something very close to 3GHz. WWDC will be where new technology is introduced, a faster 970 is NOT new technology from the perspective of WWDC.

At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities. Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.

Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective. Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology. Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected. In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).


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Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
post #134 of 205
Wow for the first time in... forever I'm not hyped. I have no really interesting technologies to lust after in the next Powermac update, the G5's are here, the iMac probably won't get an update, and I don't see anything really cool like a tablet or Apple PDA coming out. I wish someone would bring back the tablet/PDA rumor, it's sooo much fun researching the different processors (like the G4 or maybe the 440GP) and technologies that could be used. Where is an interesting rumor when ya need one?
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post #135 of 205
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Originally posted by wizard69
I see things a bit differrently

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, with in a month or two we should be able to pick up 3GHz G5's or something very close to 3GHz.

Like say the 2.6 ghz G5 being introduced tomorrow
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WWDC will be where new technology is introduced, a faster 970 is NOT new technology from the perspective of WWDC.

I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them
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At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities.

A few months too early maybe?
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Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.

Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective.

Not quite. I bet a lot of developers are still working hard on optimizing their current software for the 970, and there are always things to learn at the WWDC that can help them on the way to faster 970 optimized code. And the 970 is a preview of the technology to come in the next 9xx series processor, so saying that it is a "has been" is taking it a little to far I think. Nobody will go crazy about a 3 ghz G5 being introduced at the WWDC, but I bet people will be pleased with the upgrade.
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Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology.

History has shown that this isn't always true, and I bet that important developers of software and accessories probably have information about and test models in their labs long before the public even knows about it.
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Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected.

Farther along than everybody suspects I think.
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In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).

huh?
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post #136 of 205
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Originally posted by Crusader
Wow for the first time in... forever I'm not hyped.

Could be you will be surprised the most. I am sorta expecting something radically different due to the complete quietness of the rumor-aire.
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post #137 of 205
I think the Wizard shows some insight.

Considering 2 gig was comfortably ready half a year ago and IBM is making an announcement about 0.09 in early Jan'? We should expect 2.4 minimum with 2.6 shipping later if need be. That really puts the boot into Intel. PPC breathing right down their neck! I'd like to see them at the show but it could happen in Jan' SOMETIME...

You'd have to be really sure to pre-announce 3 gig in 12 months.

The next PowerMac announcement should tell us abit about how it will play out...

The WWDC seems to be superceding the Summer Macworld in influence.

A 980 multithreading CPU performing at 40% more per clock would send shockwaves through the Wintel crowd. Add that to the new compiler coming round the mountain under cover of stealth.

That would be the kind of bomb shell I'm expecting at WWDC. Apple have the CPU. But they really don't have a compiler to do the PPC justice. Surely it is about time IBM stepped upto bat for the PPC compiler tech' now they are officially pumping out 970/9** processors for the next five years it seems... 1 recompile later and plenty of apps could have an incredible performance boost.

And like one of the posters above, I suspect a 3.2 gig breakthrough by the Summer/WWDC. I'm Intel keeps having their problems...then it's not inconceivable that Apple could draw level with Intel!

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post #138 of 205
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Originally posted by NETROMac
I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them

They introduced the G5 months before IBM shipped them in any quantity. For the purposes of revealing a new processor at WWDC, Apple really only needs the specifications (to, say, tell people how to take advantage of CPU threading). If they want a nice bonus, they can scrape up a couple of samples to stuff in a preproduction mule to show the chip off. Samples of the final design are available 6 months before a full-scale rollout.

Any new technology is of interest to WWDC. It's not the World Wide Software Developer's Conference. Developers include people engineering PCI and AGP cards, peripherals, aftermarket components, etc.

I'm not 100% sure of a PowerMac update at MWSF. On the one hand, they've been doing press release updates recently. On the other hand, that's because the updates had been nothing to write home about. Steve has a lot to talk about, and I consider an iMac update more likely - the line needs one more than the PowerMac does, and it needs the publicity boost as well. But since the PMG5 needs no introduction at this point it might not take too long to announce, after running down sales results and reactions, that the line's been boosted to 2.x GHz, available February.
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post #139 of 205
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Originally posted by kupan787

The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac.

Pictures of the Cube Leaked.
G5 rumors were pretty solid before their release
post #140 of 205
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Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.

Don't care about any of that music stuff myself. I suppose it keeps the lights on. But your sig "cill [sic] the wabbit", is this a reference to the classic Wagner opera satire cartoon? I only saw it once, it was terrific!
post #141 of 205
MacRumors has a strong opinion on what's happening tomorrow at MWSF:

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Less then a day away, and last minute notes...

"GarageBand" will be announced tomorrow.
Xserve updates tomorrow, as well.
This Mini iPod information [link] is still considered reliable.

Related Link: our ealier [sic] MWSF 2004 Rumor Roundup.

Readers are reminded that Garage Band was trademarked by Apple in September 2003 and the newly released 2GB mini drives would fit nicely in a new iPod.

Go to the MacRumors site to see the various links included in the quoted text.
post #142 of 205
I still believe this is close to what we'll see tomorrow:
Updated Power Mac G5's. Ranging from Dual 2.0 GHz to Dual 2.4 GHz, or Single 2.2 GHz to Dual 2.6 GHz.
G5 Xserves. This tends to be pretty a strong rumour as of late.
Perhaps a new piece of software? (Gotta have a piece of software as well).
If not the Power Mac G5's, then hopefully severely updated iMacs and eMacs. The consumer line is in dire need of an update namely a speed bump. "Raise your hands if you think the situation is dire...".
Maybe new miniature iPods, (I like to call it the iPodlet), if one of the above hardware announcements are not made.

Let's just see how close I am tomorrow...

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post #143 of 205
We'll see:

Updates of the iLife suite including a new App Garageband.
X Serve Updates using G5
New model iPod
Announcement of iTMS in several countries

We won't see updated PowerMacs or iMacs or iBooks or Powerbooks.
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post #144 of 205
I'm hoping Time Magazine will publish the a front page story on the MiniPOD tonight, like they did just before the iMac was to be introduced.
post #145 of 205
3Ghz tomorrow.


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post #146 of 205
I hate to put any faith in rumors, and I'm not going to, but I have to admit that Garage-Band sounds like a F**king Awesome idea. If that is just Vapor I hope Apple gets wind of it, and makes it.

I think It would be somewhat difficult to go to market with Logic. SoundTrack, and a Garage-Band app because I think people are somewhat puzzled by SoundTrack, and what features it has, and doesn't have. Which is why I have a feeling it might be confusing having 3 Apps for Music creation.

I think a Logic-Express could be considered a Garage-Band type application, and would be an easier explanation of such an app, but that still does not cover the confused stigma attached to SoundTrack.

I would certainly be buying some software tomorrow if Logic-Express was released.
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post #147 of 205
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Originally posted by onlooker
I think he'll go beyond 3GHz at WWDC. He should have no problems doing it either.

I sincerely hope so. It will probably be my next machine.
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post #148 of 205
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Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.

This is the only thing that's interests me here.... I'd like this. Apple waited too long for displays. I got a Samsung.
post #149 of 205
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Originally posted by Merovingian
I still believe this is close to what we'll see tomorrow:
G5 Xserves. This tends to be pretty a strong rumour as of late.
Perhaps a new piece of software? (Gotta have a piece of software as well).
Maybe new miniature iPods, (I like to call it the iPodlet), if one of the above hardware announcements are not made.
Let's just see how close I am tomorrow...
Sorry Nebagakid... m.

Definitally new miniPods, new piece of software is an update to AppleWorks, G5s for shure... and no harm no fowl, but if you step again, don't think I will be as nice (well, what can I do over the internet except seem like a jackass)?
post #150 of 205
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Security during set-up for the show is tight, as always, with Apple's booth obscured by a huge black tarp on all sides. Posted at the main entrance are two rather generic banners for the iPod. Tucked neatly behind each of the 15-foot banners, however, is another banner that is rolled up and whose contents are obscured from view, presumably a banner containing details of at least some of what Jobs has up his sleeve.

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post #152 of 205
Hey, where are the people in Appleinsider chat? Comeon now...

I predict an Apple tablet powered by the IBM PPC 440GX
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post #153 of 205
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Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
We'll see:

Updates of the iLife suite including a new App Garageband.
X Serve Updates using G5
New model iPod
Announcement of iTMS in several countries

We won't see updated PowerMacs or iMacs or iBooks or Powerbooks.

These all seem to be the most reasonable expectations.

My question out there is this: MWSF is the 20th anniversary of the introduction of the Macintosh (okay, a month early). I would think that Steve would address this and give us something to start us for the next 20 years. Convergence? Control of media? I don't know.

I just hope that things like Powermac updates come later (in 2 weeks or so) and instead we are hit with something we haven't thought of.

What could they intro that we would be writing about for an anniversary in 20 years?
post #154 of 205
Anyone else think that Apple is gearing up to make a new grouping of applications to rival Microsoft's Office?
For some reason I have a feeling we'll see a packaging of Works / Keynote / and XGrid soon...
post #155 of 205
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Originally posted by Nebagakid
G5s for shure...

I hope they slap a mirror on the front of it.
post #156 of 205
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Originally posted by atomicham
These all seem to be the most reasonable expectations.

My question out there is this: MWSF is the 20th anniversary of the introduction of the Macintosh (okay, a month early). I would think that Steve would address this and give us something to start us for the next 20 years. Convergence? Control of media? I don't know.

I just hope that things like Powermac updates come later (in 2 weeks or so) and instead we are hit with something we haven't thought of.

What could they intro that we would be writing about for an anniversary in 20 years?

I for one would like to see a serious revamp of appleworks as I hate using anything MS. Word for mac is the only thing left, even though I try to use textedit as much as I can. I would love to rid my mac of anything MS. That's just me though.
post #157 of 205
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Originally posted by PookJP
I don't understand how any rational minded person could possibly think the iMac's form factor will be updated, seeing as how they just released a new model -- the 20". When has Apple ever released a new version of an existing piece of hardware, only to replace it with an entirely new one but a month or two later?

I bought a 1 GHz Titanium Powerbook with a Superdrive on the day it was introduced in November 2002, only to see the 12" and 17" Aluminum Powerbooks rolled out at the 2003 MWSF less than two months later. I agree that it is unlikely that Apple would change the form factor for the iMac, but such a move would not be unprecedented.
post #158 of 205
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Originally posted by Texas Flood
I bought a 1 GHz Titanium Powerbook with a Superdrive on the day it was introduced in November 2002, only to see the 12" and 17" Aluminum Powerbooks rolled out at the 2003 MWSF less than two months later. I agree that it is unlikely that Apple would change the form factor for the iMac, but such a move would not be unprecedented.

Also, the 20" iMac is a very-low-R&D, high-margin product, designed purely for extracting the remaining value from the iMac's current form factor. Selling it for a few months is no problem at all given the money spent developing it, especially considering those months were, in part, the Christmas shopping period.
post #159 of 205
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Originally posted by NJANJA2
Also, the 20" iMac is a very-low-R&D, high-margin product, designed purely for extracting the remaining value from the iMac's current form factor. Selling it for a few months is no problem at all given the money spent developing it, especially considering those months were, in part, the Christmas shopping period.

Not only that, they planned adding bigger screen sizes. The R&D was done long ago.
post #160 of 205
I agree on this. the 20" imac had christmas stop-gap written all over it. I wouldn't be suprised at all to see them slip a new imac under the rumor radar.

Come to think of it, maybe the G4 ibook was a christmas cash grab too....

I'm sure imac sales are in the toilet in general compared to last year, they need a cosmetic refresh bad...
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