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post #81 of 205
1/2/04 at 6:49pm
What we're wanting to figure out is how early one must start waiting in line to get a great seat for the Stevenote.

Does anyone know the number people that get the preferred seating, that would give us an idea of how far back the regular seating starts?
post #82 of 205
1/2/04 at 9:41pm
I have this odd sense that there's some serious disinformation going on. There seems to be a G5 2.0-2.4 (maybe 2.6) consensus, which seems too easy to me.

I really wonder if Jobs is lowering expectations for MWSF, so he can then blow us away.

Maybe the surprise is not G5-GHz, but something else.

I have an odd feeling about this MWSF.
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post #83 of 205
1/3/04 at 12:48am
Quote:
Originally posted by echo
What we're wanting to figure out is how early one must start waiting in line to get a great seat for the Stevenote.

Does anyone know the number people that get the preferred seating, that would give us an idea of how far back the regular seating starts?

I went to MWSF last year. I got there around 7 something, and the line was SUPER long. Once they begin to seat people, the line breaks up and you get to run for position to some extent. The preferred seating is about six rows, I believe. Next time I go I'm going to get there in the dead of night.

2.6GHz is a good conservative estimate, mpls. SJ said we would have 3GHz a year from the G5's intro in July, so must of us are thinking with the assumption that there will have to be an intermediate update before we get to 3GHz. It would be quite extraordinary to go 1 whole GHz in one revision. Note, additionally, that Power Macs usually aren't introduced at Macworlds.
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post #84 of 205
1/3/04 at 5:58am
iPod, flash memory based, £65 with 500 song capacity. Wait and see.
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post #85 of 205
1/3/04 at 7:02am
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Originally posted by mattyj
iPod, flash memory based, £65 with 500 song capacity. Wait and see.

That would be 1.5-2 GB flash ram. Any idea how much that costs?

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post #86 of 205
1/3/04 at 7:24am
It was in either the Times Newspaper or Evening Standard, which mentioned the new iPods. I don't know whether they'll be flash based or not... :P
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post #87 of 205
1/3/04 at 7:31am
did you see this date from ibm?

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post #88 of 205
1/3/04 at 8:00am
Well PowerMacs may not have been traditionally introduced at Mac World but lets face it the longer they waite the more likley we will see a jump to 3GHz. The operative words where "with in a year" so there is nothing to hold them back for debut of new machines this month or next.

The other issue that potentially may push them into early release is the need to get the new enterprise product out the door. Of course this could just as well be an excuse to hold off updates to the G5.

All the public comments about this being a very good year for apple products, intoroduction wise, tends to lead me to believe that we are going to see alot of stuff in the next month or two. A big jump in performance of the G5 would help keep momentum going with this product line in light of all of the other product activity. Well we can only wish that it would or that Steve would se it that way.

Thanks
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Quote:
Originally posted by Big Mac
I went to MWSF last year. I got there around 7 something, and the line was SUPER long. Once they begin to seat people, the line breaks up and you get to run for position to some extent. The preferred seating is about six rows, I believe. Next time I go I'm going to get there in the dead of night.

2.6GHz is a good conservative estimate, mpls. SJ said we would have 3GHz a year from the G5's intro in July, so must of us are thinking with the assumption that there will have to be an intermediate update before we get to 3GHz. It would be quite extraordinary to go 1 whole GHz in one revision. Note, additionally, that Power Macs usually aren't introduced at Macworlds.
post #89 of 205
1/3/04 at 8:36am
Quote:
Originally posted by wizard69
Well PowerMacs may not have been traditionally introduced at Mac World but lets face it the longer they waite the more likley we will see a jump to 3GHz. The operative words where "with in a year" so there is nothing to hold them back for debut of new machines this month or next.

The other issue that potentially may push them into early release is the need to get the new enterprise product out the door. Of course this could just as well be an excuse to hold off updates to the G5.

All the public comments about this being a very good year for apple products, intoroduction wise, tends to lead me to believe that we are going to see alot of stuff in the next month or two. A big jump in performance of the G5 would help keep momentum going with this product line in light of all of the other product activity. Well we can only wish that it would or that Steve would se it that way.

Thanks
dave

I think we'll definitely see an intermediate jump before 3GHz. That's almost certainly why Apple scheduled this year's WWDC for the end of June.
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post #90 of 205
1/3/04 at 8:51am
Quote:
Originally posted by gfeier
I think we'll definitely see an intermediate jump before 3GHz. That's almost certainly why Apple scheduled this year's WWDC for the end of June.

I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
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post #91 of 205
1/3/04 at 12:42pm
Quote:
Originally posted by echo
What we're wanting to figure out is how early one must start waiting in line to get a great seat for the Stevenote.

Does anyone know the number people that get the preferred seating, that would give us an idea of how far back the regular seating starts?

Always an interesting puzzle. Actually two puzzles. How early to arrive and where to try to sit.

The preferred seating is a block in the center. I don't recall how far back it goes ( 20 rows?). You can get close to the stage at either the far left or right.

Last year I got there at about 7:00AM and I was standing just outside the door to Moscone Center. I got a fairly good seat at the far left.

This year I might try to get there a little earlier and aim for something a little more towards the center. I'll trade off a little distance to have a more direct view.

The seating area is a flat floor, not theater type seating. However, the stage is about four feet high so the viewing angle is not bad.
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post #92 of 205
1/3/04 at 3:32pm
I can't believe Apple will release the iMac G5 before the Powerbook G5.
The powerbook is the portable version of the Powermac and thus the proffessionals Mac. While the iMac is a consumer Mac.

Whadayathink?
post #93 of 205
1/3/04 at 4:35pm
Quote:
Originally posted by eprom
I can't believe Apple will release the iMac G5 before the Powerbook G5.
The powerbook is the portable version of the Powermac and thus the proffessionals Mac. While the iMac is a consumer Mac.

Whadayathink?

I think they will release the G5 iMac first because of these to reasons: The 970 is VERY hot and VERY power hungry, and they will probably have to wait until the 970 moves to another process before we'll see it in a powerbook. It's much easier to come around these limitations in the iMac that has a mains powersupply and have better possibilities of cooling it enough to avoid melt-down. It will probably take another few months before IBM switches processes, and the iMac really needs a faster processor NOW. I wound't dream of buying one of the current iMacs, at least not at the speeds Apple currently offers. The iMac is after all a premium product much like the PowerMac and the PowerBook. It deserves the G5 equally much as the PowerBook in my eyes.
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post #94 of 205
1/3/04 at 4:53pm
"The iMac is after all a premium product much like the PowerMac and the PowerBook. It deserves the G5 equally much as the PowerBook in my eyes."

Premium in the sense that you pay extra, maybe. Not premium in terms of performance or reliability. Why would the iMac "deserve" a processor equal to a PowerBook or PowerMac? You are mistaken. The iMac is a consumer model Mac, and Apple is very mindful of the demands of that market. Grandma checking AOL e-mail doesn't need a 90um G5.

Apple has models targeted at different market levels. The iMac is entry level and is always going to be a step or two back in technology from its "Power" named counterparts. The same goes for the iBook.
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post #95 of 205
1/3/04 at 5:14pm
Steve and co are sitting in a boardroom deciding on when to release the 20" iMac.
Some board member: "We could do it in september!"
Steve: "No"
Some other board member: "We could do it at MWSF!"
Steve: "Hmm, I guess so..."
Yet another board member: "Wait a sec, we should release it before MWSF to throw off the rumor sites! Yeah!"
Steve: "Promotion!"

Guys, AAPL doesn't "Try to throw off the rumor sites." They release what they have when they have it or when they think it will make the most money. The rumor sites predicting things has virtually no effect on sales. It is the major media that they are avoiding publicity from.
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post #96 of 205
1/3/04 at 5:37pm
Quote:
Originally posted by stjobs
"The iMac is after all a premium product much like the PowerMac and the PowerBook. It deserves the G5 equally much as the PowerBook in my eyes."

Premium in the sense that you pay extra, maybe. Not premium in terms of performance or reliability. Why would the iMac "deserve" a processor equal to a PowerBook or PowerMac? You are mistaken. The iMac is a consumer model Mac, and Apple is very mindful of the demands of that market. Grandma checking AOL e-mail doesn't need a 90um G5.

Apple has models targeted at different market levels. The iMac is entry level and is always going to be a step or two back in technology from its "Power" named counterparts. The same goes for the iBook.

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The iMac and PowerBook have virtually mirrored each other for years now.

It'll happen.
post #97 of 205
1/3/04 at 5:40pm
Quote:
Originally posted by stjobs
Grandma checking AOL e-mail doesn't need a 90um G5.

Then you haven't met my grandma. GRANDma needs GRAND iMac
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post #98 of 205
1/3/04 at 5:50pm
Quote:
Originally posted by stjobs
Grandma checking AOL e-mail doesn't need a 90um G5.

People probably used to say, "The iMac doesn't need a G4!"
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post #99 of 205
1/3/04 at 8:22pm
Quote:
Originally posted by eprom
I can't believe Apple will release the iMac G5 before the Powerbook G5.
The powerbook is the portable version of the Powermac and thus the proffessionals Mac. While the iMac is a consumer Mac.

Whadayathink?

NETROMac said it best, it is easier to put the G5 into the iMac because it would have an easier time cooling the chip, plus there is a constant supply of power, whereas the PowerBook there is only the battery (worst case scenerio).

However, there is another reason. All of those people who like to edit their iMovies, and then burn them with iDVD. Or how about all of the gamers who want a Mac that matches, or exceeds his PC counter-parts. There are the low-budget Web Designers who would want this, along with anyone who is just amazed at what a G5 can do. The market is there. It is just as rich and diverse as the PowerBook people. To say that it shouldn't because it is consumer, is awfully short sighted.
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post #100 of 205
1/4/04 at 3:17am
I also think its time for a G5 iMac. A G5 with a 20" screen is very expensive, the same in an iMac should save some cash. Apple need a machine that nicely hits the pro-consumer, just like the digital camera market has been doing the last year or so. It should only have big screens, bluetooth should be standard, 2 Gig Ram max and a decent graphics card. Perhaps it needs to be a new line (dare I suggest) SuperiMac rather than phase out the existing iMacs which could do with a price drop.

Better yet, as many have suggested, make the screen easily replacable or even just a mounting arm and make the new scvreen form factor allow for easy mounting.

Yes i know i am dreaming.

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post #101 of 205
1/4/04 at 4:42am
Based on a market point of view, Apple should put the G5 in the iMac and PowerBook at roughly the same time. The Powerbook will be expensive due to it probably using downclocked 0.09 nanometer chips, while the iMac will probably receive the current generation G5s found in the PowerMac, unless there is some heat dissapation problems and the cooler, smaller G5 is needed.

The Imac should come with a Radeon 9600 in by default, all apart from the base model. The G5 should come with a Radeon 9600 pro as standard (only £50 more ffs) and the top end model wih a Radeon 9800, kitting out a G5 at the moment costs a bit too much. There is no need for the nVidia cards IMO, they are slower than the ATi offerings and are not worth much price/performance wise.

I doubt this will happen soon, but we could be surprised.
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post #102 of 205
1/4/04 at 5:51am
Uhm, I'm pretty sure that iBooks are at least getting speed bumped.

Of course, I could be wrong.
post #103 of 205
1/4/04 at 5:55am
Cannot seem to find the Quicktime link for the keynote broadcast.

Thanks, Dr. L
post #104 of 205
1/4/04 at 8:51am
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Originally posted by hledgard
Cannot seem to find the Quicktime link for the keynote broadcast.

I'm surprised too nothing's been posted at this late date. I guess we'll find out tomorrow (Monday).
post #105 of 205
1/4/04 at 9:03am
It doesn't matter which you think it should go in for what ever reason. The G5 is still too hot for the iMac, or the PowerBook as it is right now. So arguing which one it's going in first is pointless at this time. But just to add fuel to the fire - When the G5 can run cool enough it will be in the PowerBook first. NO doubt.

There is the a pro line, and a consumer line. They have always gone in the pro line first. Even when Apple was having serious Moto-blow-ya problems they put it in the pro line fist because that's how it is.
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post #106 of 205
1/4/04 at 9:40am
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post #107 of 205
1/4/04 at 12:36pm
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Originally posted by onlooker :
It doesn't matter which you think it should go in for what ever reason... So arguing which one it's going in first is pointless at this time... to add fuel to the fire ... it will be in the PowerBook first. NO doubt... they put it in the pro line fist because that's how it is.


Still to hot for the current iMac, but just an engineering exercise for the next. And we may see the 3G iMac sooner than you might think, onlooker, I do know know it doesn't matter what I think ~ nonetheless, I think we'll see a G5 in the next iMac before we will see it in the next Powerbook ~ by about 6 months.

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post #108 of 205
1/4/04 at 12:42pm
The Quicktime link was posted in late December then removed a few days later. I'm sure it will be back tomorrow. We'll also start getting some photos of the floor and those mysterious boxes, etc. (Krispy Kreme doughnuts as well I'd think) on Monday. TechTV will have a recap on Tuesday during the afternoon. No live broadcast indicated as of now.
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post #109 of 205
1/4/04 at 2:45pm
Quote:
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
No live broadcast indicated as of now.

Yeah, and what is up with that. Too cheap for a satellite feed?
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post #110 of 205
1/4/04 at 3:02pm
TechTV hasn't broadcast a MW in two years. It may be that Apple doesn't want them to. Satellite feeds were announced a few weeks ago and Apple Stores with screens will be showing the keynote.
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post #111 of 205
1/4/04 at 3:16pm
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Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
...and Apple Stores with screens will be showing the keynote.

Great, now I only need to get on a British Airways Flight to my nearest Apple Store.
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post #112 of 205
1/4/04 at 3:34pm
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Note, additionally, that Power Macs usually aren't introduced at Macworlds.

That's just bollocks.
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1/4/04 at 4:57pm
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post #114 of 205
1/4/04 at 5:42pm
I can't wait to buy a CHEAPO iPOD!!!
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1/4/04 at 5:48pm
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What - a post from Nebagakid without the 5 "smokey" smilies in a row!
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1/4/04 at 6:26pm
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I can't wait to buy a CHEAPO iPOD!!!

Me too. But it won´t be that. It will be a cheapoPod. No i in that
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post #117 of 205
1/4/04 at 6:55pm
Quote:
Originally posted by hledgard
Cannot seem to find the Quicktime link for the keynote broadcast.

Don't want to be a downer, but maybe Apple isn't all that keen on many people seeing this keynote... I mean, consider these facts and possible implications:

1) It wasn't confirmed that Jobs was actually delivering the keynote until later than usual. Maybe they weren't sure the only product they have to announce (the miniPods) would be ready.

2) There is no obvious QuickTime stream in place yet.

3) There is no big MacWorld promotion at www.apple.com, no "you ain't seen nothin' yet", "9 days and counting" hype.

4) Apart from miniPods, the rumors of "new" products amount to software updates only. The rumor sites may be quiet NOT because Apple is good at keeping a secret, but there are no secrets to keep.


Being pessimistic, the keynote may only consist of progress reports (x million tunes downloaded, 500K G5s sold, 45% of sales were laptops, etc), iLife updates, and the cheaper 'Pod(s).

That last one may be moderating interesting from an "Apple is getting successful" point of view, but personally, as I've already been a buyer of a 1st gen iPod and a 3rd gen iPod, I could care less about a storage-challenged one, and care more about Mac news.

I very much hope I'm wrong, but as an Australian, I'm not going to be getting up at 4 am for this one. (Just hoping to read how wrong I was on front page news at breakfast!)
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1/4/04 at 6:56pm
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What - a post from Nebagakid without the 5 "smokey" smilies in a row!

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post #119 of 205
1/4/04 at 7:04pm
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Originally posted by Daver
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You are trying to steal my thunder? MY THUNDER?

NOTE: I am sorry to have to have posted this, it was necessary...


NOW, Back to the Future (pun intended). Where is the quicktime link to the keynote stream? or the page?
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post #120 of 205
1/4/04 at 7:11pm
Of course hardware is more sexy, but could this be the time we see an Apple branded "Office" suite of apps?
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