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good job apple. way to please the minority of the minorities.

Yep. 1/2 of US households. Pretty small minority.
post #43 of 246
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good job apple. way to please the minority of the minorities.

Exactly my point last night.

New iPhoto looks great though.
post #44 of 246
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Yep. 1/2 of US households. Pretty small minority.



thats a bogus stat. means nothing.
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post #45 of 246
Yes... Killer app and suite! I'll end up shelling out $49 for iLife now, probably. The price is more than reasonable for the value. However, I hope the other i-Applications remain a free download (such as iPhoto, iMovie, etc). The updates for these apps should remain the same...right?
post #46 of 246
Cripes! This really is Soundtrack Lite, but it also adds MIDI support! I'm really drooling here...

Yeah, I shouldn't have spent $59 on Mixman. Oh well... can save up $50 by the 16th, and then I just need to convert my .trk loops to Acid format for use as GB loops.
post #47 of 246
This may prove to be the inspiration I need to pick up my guitar again.
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post #48 of 246
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thats a bogus stat. means nothing.

Well obviously it doesn't mean that 1/2 of US households are going to run out and buy a Mac b/c they want Garage Band. But what it does mean is that a hell of a lot of people play instruments in this country and have never really had an easy way to mix and record their stuff. Now they do.

For instance, I play the guitar. Not well. But hey, now I can plug into my Mac, add some background, add some loops, mix it together... cool! Then I can add it to my iMovies or my iPhoto slideshows that I just burned on iDVD. My movies, my pictures, my own personal soundtrack, all recorded on my own DVD... and all for $49.

If you pitch it that way, it isn't a tiny majority at all, it's a pitch aimed at millions and millions of potential customers.

Now, just b/c you don't play an instrument, that doesn't mean that no one does. When iMovie came out, I didn't have a DV camera, and when iPhoto came out, I didn't have a digital still camera. So clearly I wasn't jumping around excited about it, because I wasn't a part of the target market. Looks like they made a product that didn't target you. Get over it. There are lots of people that make music. Sorry you aren't one of us.
post #49 of 246
I can't wait to try GarageBand! This is exactly what I've been looking for, a way to easily record my playing (bass) on my laptop. I've tried some other apps (all I want is to record and do minor editing so I can hear myself from a 3rd person perspective) and nothing has been easy.

I'm sure if Apple did it, GarageBand will be easy, intuitive and I'll be an expert with the program in 10 minutes. I can't wait to get my hands on this update!
post #50 of 246
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Originally posted by Kesh
Cripes! This really is Soundtrack Lite, but it also adds MIDI support! I'm really drooling here...

Yeah, I shouldn't have spent $59 on Mixman. Oh well... can save up $50 by the 16th, and then I just need to convert my .trk loops to Acid format for use as GB loops.

Look Soundtrack sucks for any real music creation. I don't know what your used to using but it's featureless AFAIAC. The only thing that does reasonably well is make Soundtracks for your movie projects. There is no real editing features, and any original composing is non existent. I'm going to buy it, and the $99.00 expansion pack. I think it's a fantastic application.
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post #51 of 246
I'm wondering about the loops. They seem to be either 1. MIDI files or 2. just samples, maybe in .aif. So if you pick some of those aif samples and stick them together, they must just all be in the same key. If you use MIDI samples, I suppose there's some way to change their pitch. It's kinda lame to just stick some samples together and not be able to change their pitch to have chord changes. Who wants to play the same chord the whole song? Even So What changes chords sometimes.

But Jobs also looked like he sped up the whole thing, which would be tricky with simple sound samples. How did he do that?
post #52 of 246
Well, soundtrack has built in key correction, quite sophisticated too, which lets the .aif loops change pitch pretty well, I'd imagine it's the same with garageband.

this is EXACTLY the application I've been waiting for. And the price! wowowowowow! $49, this is like...too perfect.

Now I want to see apple release a 49 key midi keyboard(usb) with a built in audio I/O THAT would be killer...heck make it firewire so it doesn't need a AC adaptor.

I think this will be huge, especially since it's free with every new mac, come jan 16th. Right now the biggest reason for a PC user to switch to apple is because of the iLife applications+address book, mail.app...etc., and apple has just made a BIG step forward in completing that suite.

next up, a killer word processor.
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post #53 of 246
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Originally posted by onlooker
Look Soundtrack sucks for any real music creation. I don't know what your used to using but it's featureless AFAIAC. The only thing that does reasonably well is make Soundtracks for your movie projects. There is no real editing features, and any original composing is non existent. I'm going to buy it, and the $99.00 expansion pack. I think it's a fantastic application.

A fantastic application that sucks?

I think it's great for someone like me who just wants to do some loop mixing, maybe learn a little keyboarding, but it's probably not for professionals of course.

Hm. One thing I'm not seeing is anything mentioning other loop formats (Acid, plain WAV, etc.). Not reassuring... I've got tons of loops that I was planning on converting from Mixman's .trk format to Acid, which would work just fine inside of Soundtrack. But I'm not sure GarageBand can handle them...

And I don't know of any app for converting Acid loops to Apple Loops.
post #54 of 246
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Originally posted by atomicham
Exactly my point last night.

New iPhoto looks great though.

musicians are a minority that pays $$ for hardware...the best kind of minority to please...(Guitar Center is an authorized seller, Apple knows what's up - they want to be the leader in tools for creative content)

jeez, what do you think iLife is for?

iTunes - regular joes to organize music
iPhoto - regular joes to take photos
iMovie - regular joes to make movies
iDVD - regular joes to make DVDs

ummm...Garage Band - regular joes record/practice music

another segment that didn't look to buy macs that will...
post #55 of 246
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Originally posted by Wrong Robot
Now I want to see apple release a 49 key midi keyboard(usb) with a built in audio I/O THAT would be killer...heck make it firewire so it doesn't need a AC adaptor.

Close enough?
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post #56 of 246
Ok then,

Who is going to post his or her first "home recorded" GarageBand track on AI?


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post #57 of 246
Oh, and if it weren't sweet enough...

Edu price is $29.
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post #58 of 246
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musicians are a minority that pays $$ for hardware...the best kind of minority to please...(Guitar Center is an authorized seller, Apple knows what's up - they want to be the leader in tools for creative content).

Yeah, and I think lots of non-musicians will think this is cool. Who doesn't like to fiddle with drum machines and put together samples like Steve did in that demo?

BTW, I noticed the standard education price for iLife is $29.
post #59 of 246
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Originally posted by Wrong Robot
Now I want to see apple release a 49 key midi keyboard(usb) with a built in audio I/O THAT would be killer...heck make it firewire so it doesn't need a AC adaptor.

There are a few out there, Edirol(roland) and M-Audio that don't need adapters and have real time programmable knobs...you'll want to check that out...
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I know, I was checking them out, and have been.
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post #61 of 246
Speaking of edu pricing - this is perfect for schools with a Music Dpt that want to get into Music Technology.

It practically sells itself, and is also a perfect way to promote "little Johnnie's school band" with iPhoto, iMovie and iTunes integration. I just wish they came out with this last year. It certainly would have helped swaying purchasing decisions, since the music software price was built in and there would be no "real" need to fork out extra for other loop software. \
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post #62 of 246
Seemed curious at first, but it does make sense when you consider what iMovie and iDVD do. They're all content creation apps, as opposed to iTunes and iPhoto which, while they have some limited editing/creation tools, more so in iPhoto, they are primarily for finding and sorting stuff: catalog apps. In that sense, Garage Band dovetails with iDVD and iMovie nicely. All Apple is missing are a 3D app and a Paintshop/PS Elements knockoff.

I can understand how even iMovie would be a paid upgrade now along with Garage Band and iDVD. I don't imagine I would be using Garage Band much myself, but it sounds like a lot of people are going to be happy and having fun.
post #63 of 246
To borrow a phrase from homer simpson mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm garageband aaaaath (shirt is dripping with drool) i am a pc user and as such must buy a mac as soon as i get the dough

my only question is will this run reliably and fast on say a g4 1ghz or maby a dual 450 or whatevere i can grab up on ebay?

and if i buy the panther upgrade is it included or is it only on new factory macs and is it on refurb macs?
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post #64 of 246
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To borrow a phrase from homer simpson mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm garageband aaaaath (shirt is dripping with drool) i am a pc user and as such must buy a mac as soon as i get the dough

my only question is will this run reliably and fast on say a g4 1ghz or maby a dual 450 or whatevere i can grab up on ebay?

and if i buy the panther upgrade is it included or is it only on new factory macs and is it on refurb macs?

iLife '04 Specs:

System Requirements:
Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4 or G5 processor

600MHz G3 or faster required for GarageBand

G4 or faster required for GarageBand software instruments

733MHz G4 or faster required for iDVD
256MB of physical RAM
Mac OS X v10.2.6 or later (Mac OS X v10.2.8 or later recommended)
QuickTime 6.4 or later (QuickTime 6.5 included)
Display with at least 1024-by-768-pixel resolution
DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD
4.3GB of disk space required to install GarageBand, iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD; or 250MB to install iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie only.

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I'd be lookin'n for anything 800mhz +.
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No edu discount for keyboard \
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Well, soundtrack has built in key correction, quite sophisticated too, which lets the .aif loops change pitch pretty well, I'd imagine it's the same with garageband.

Interesting. So it just automatically adjusts the samples so they go together. And that works with all their sound samples, not just the MIDI ones? They must have some metadata with them that indicates key and tempo.

I'd be interested to know if you can put down a set of chord changes rather than just staying on a C chord or whatever for the whole song. That seems to me to be essential, otherwise you'd almost have to just stick with drum tracks.
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Did anyone notice how the new GarageBand app actually sported a new look? Last year AI reported on a new "brushed metal" appearance that was supposed to be darker, I guess that might have been it... It looked even more horrible in my eyes...

Yes, soon we will see all of our iApps have their beautiful metal ripped away and replaced with... wood siding?!?
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Originally posted by Matt Danger
This may prove to be the inspiration I need to pick up my guitar again.

I think this is just the response Apple is hoping for. I am no musician and for me this app seemed a bit useless at first. But if you look at all the iLife apps they allow you to be creative, they respond to the left side of the brain. They are "Microsoft Office for the rest of your life" right..?

Apple already owns the creative mindspace in the computer world. Business = PC / Creative = Apple. Now these iApps are making it so easy for the average person to be creative. With iMove and an iMac think of what you can do...!? A year later your dying to upgrade to the G5 and Final Cut.

Look how music based this MW was. They are starting a groundswell here that will allow the grassroots creation of creative content by anyone. They already have the distribution mechanism (iTunes) and the player (iPod). Now they are kicking the record companies right out of the deal..!

This strategy could be what The 1984 mac, with it's GUI, was for desktop publishing and what the Web was for decentralized information sharing.

It is all starting to tie together.
post #69 of 246
why on earth does one need a DVD drive to install Garage band ?

I know I cant afford anything with a superdrive...

I guess "garage bands" have a little more disposable income than me.
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why on earth does one need a DVD drive to install Garage band ?

I know I cant afford anything with a superdrive...

I guess "garage bands" have a little more disposable income than me.

A DVD-ROM drive, not a SuperDrive. The app and samples are written to a DVD.
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Yes, soon we will see all of our iApps have their beautiful metal ripped away and replaced with... wood siding?!?

If that atrocity ever reaches the Finder; I'm gonna kill myself (figure of speech, not literally)...
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why on earth does one need a DVD drive to install Garage band ?

I know I cant afford anything with a superdrive...

I guess "garage bands" have a little more disposable income than me.

virtually every mac currently sold, and most of the ones from the past two years have a combo drive that reads DVDs.
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post #73 of 246
Hah! I called it exactly.

And it looks amazing. The price is unbelievable. This app will appeal to a whole lot of people. Especially here in music-hungry Iowa City.
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post #74 of 246
Don't forget the additional App available to increase what GarageBand has. "Jam Pack".
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Originally posted by iDebaser
iTunes - regular joes to organize music
iPhoto - regular joes to take photos
iMovie - regular joes to make movies
iDVD - regular joes to make DVDs

If the aim of iDVD is to bring DVD-burning to the masses, why can't you get a Superdrive on an iBook? Just asking.
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post #76 of 246
Getting musical sounds into computers has always confused me but this seems quite simple. The Les Paul copy will be getting a severe dusting in the next few weeks. However, the thought of attaching a beast like an electric guitar to a fragile Mac still worries me. i've been looking at the accessories and the monster instument adaptor seems to offer the chance to do this but it requires a built in analogue audio in port. Does this exist in either a 14" iBook or an FP 800 iMac? Also what are your thoughts on whether an 800G3 iBook be able to handle live audio in ? I'm remembering the problem it has even with voice overs in iMovie.
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post #77 of 246
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Getting musical sounds into computers has always confused me but this seems quite simple. The Les Paul copy will be getting a severe dusting in the next few weeks. However, the thought of attaching a beast like an electric guitar to a fragile Mac still worries me. i've been looking at the accessories and the monster instument adaptor seems to offer the chance to do this but it requires a built in analogue audio in port. Does this exist in either a 14" iBook or an FP 800 iMac? Also what are your thoughts on whether an 800G3 iBook be able to handle live audio in ? I'm remembering the problem it has even with voice overs in iMovie.

you might wanna check out an iMic from griffin technology ($40),
lets you plug in through USB...and if you're still feeling worried, get a cheap mixer by Behringer($40)to plug your guitar in before the iMic
post #78 of 246
You'll need some kind of pre-amp if you want to use an iMic or the line in on your computer. If you have any kind of effects box that should step up the signal enough to be useful. Otherwise you'll need a pre-.
post #79 of 246
I don't think iMacs or iBooks come with audio inputs.

the iMic should do the trick though.
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post #80 of 246
The latest iMacs have an audio in port but the iBooks do not.
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