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post #81 of 246
iMacs (both old and new) do have audio in. I think all models of iMacs from any time have audio in, but there could be some exceptions. PowerBooks, PowerMac G5s, and eMacs also have audio in. iBooks - at least the current ones - do not.

And you don't need a pre-amp or anything else to plug the guitar in to the computer - that's one of the great features. It's designed to emulate the amp in software.
post #82 of 246
interesting...it amplifies the signal in the software?

hmm...I can't imagine it being that great, but I've never worked with software that worked as an amp sim.
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post #83 of 246
Ever hear of Amplitube Live? Works the same way, and it's absolutely phenomenal. Apple demoed it at the last MacWorld, and now apparently stole it for this one.
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Of course, I'm a bassist, not a guitarist, but I'm sure it would still work fine, though some effects might end up sounding a little wonky.

oh well, I got my BNX3 for that
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post #86 of 246
What kind of device / cable do you have to use though, to hook in say a guitar to your Mac? Certainly it can't take the standard amp plug, so there has to be an intermediary device / special cord to buy.
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post #87 of 246
Looks very cool, but I wonder how sophisticated the mixing/editing features are. I'm not into MIDI stuff that much (yet!), but I do do quite a bit of multitrack mixing and editing. I hope this is the product that will let me stop having to boot into OS9 to use ProTools Free (MBox = $).
post #88 of 246
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Originally posted by Moogs
What kind of device / cable do you have to use though, to hook in say a guitar to your Mac? Certainly it can't take the standard amp plug, so there has to be an intermediary device / special cord to buy.

1/4" 'phono' jack to 1/8" miniplug adapter, I'd think.
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post #89 of 246
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Originally posted by BRussell
Interesting. So it just automatically adjusts the samples so they go together. And that works with all their sound samples, not just the MIDI ones? They must have some metadata with them that indicates key and tempo.

I'd be interested to know if you can put down a set of chord changes rather than just staying on a C chord or whatever for the whole song. That seems to me to be essential, otherwise you'd almost have to just stick with drum tracks.

BRussell,

I don't know how to put it simply except to relate it something else. Once a long time ago, typesetting was a gigantic pain in the ass. Changing size, reflowing text, especially things like font kerning.

Think about how easy all those have become now. There really isn't thought behind it now.

Expensive samplers managed to do this sort of thing a while ago, but now Garage Band makes this all software based for cheaper than hell.

You can laydown do chord changes and it will totally adjust the pitch and speed, etc much like how you change fonts, styles, etc. It is an astonishing application that makes affordable technology that would have been thousands when I was in college. I'm talking $10,000 down to $10.

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post #90 of 246
trumptman - I just didn't see Steve change chords, nor did I see anything about it on their web site, nor on the Soundtrack web site. It has me a little worried, especially because it says "adjusts automatically." I noticed that the samples have different keys - on the web site some are in C and some in D. OK, so if you already put in a bass sample in C, and you drop a D piano sample in there, it will change the piano to C automatically. But what if after 4 measures you want to go to F? F7? F minor? And that doesn't even get into the 7#9#5 chords.

I know it's "GarageBand" not "ProfessionalBand." But even garage bands change chords every so often, and sometimes use chords other than major and minor. And I suppose you could just use your MIDI keyboard for the more interesting stuff, but then can you sample and loop those?

Eh, I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

But I'd love to be able to put in the drum and bass changes to "Giant Steps" and practice improvisation over it while it loops for 18 hours. It would put Jamey Aebersold out of business. And the looping seems almost worthless if you can't do that.
post #91 of 246
I recently bought Soundtrack, and I plan to buy the iLife upgrade anyway...BUT, I'm not sure how these 2 differ???

any thoughts.

Soundtrack has loops, can be used to record/mix etc. and includes effects...
post #92 of 246
The GarageBand Accessories page has a bunch of products Apple is offering as, well, accessories. These include a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo converter from Monster and a number of single- and multi-channel USB solutions for audio and MIDI I/O. (Then you could use an iBook).

I didn't see anything that said specifically that GarageBand could handle recording multiple tracks simultaneously, but if they're offering peripherals that give you 6-channel audio in you'd think that it could...
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post #93 of 246
I see that Soundtrack is now part of Final Cut Express.

Makes the standalone app look a tad pricey.
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I see that Soundtrack is now part of Final Cut Express.

Makes the standalone app look a tad pricey.

Soundtrack is not included with Final Cut Express, but several features of FCE are geared toward it.
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Originally posted by BRussell
trumptman - I just didn't see Steve change chords, nor did I see anything about it on their web site, nor on the Soundtrack web site. It has me a little worried, especially because it says "adjusts automatically." I noticed that the samples have different keys - on the web site some are in C and some in D. OK, so if you already put in a bass sample in C, and you drop a D piano sample in there, it will change the piano to C automatically. But what if after 4 measures you want to go to F? F7? F minor? And that doesn't even get into the 7#9#5 chords.

I know it's "GarageBand" not "ProfessionalBand." But even garage bands change chords every so often, and sometimes use chords other than major and minor. And I suppose you could just use your MIDI keyboard for the more interesting stuff, but then can you sample and loop those?

Eh, I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

But I'd love to be able to put in the drum and bass changes to "Giant Steps" and practice improvisation over it while it loops for 18 hours. It would put Jamey Aebersold out of business. And the looping seems almost worthless if you can't do that.

On the GarageBand page on the top of the picture it has a caption that says snap, stretch and transpose automatically.

As for ol' Jamey, his stuff was too expensive anyway. Now maybe the prices would get reasonable.

It also mentions this on the loops page.

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Apple Loops are prerecorded performances ready to play second fiddle anytime you need them. Add drum beats and rhythm parts to your songs. As you add loops to your composition, GarageBand takes care of keeping all of the session players on the same musical page, automatically matching the tempo and key of the loops to the songs tempo and key. You can extend the mix indefinitely, since most Apple Loops are designed to repeat over and over and over. (Theres a reason theyre called loops.)

It does look a bit cloudy, but Steve did say they could adjust their tempo and pitch during the keynote.

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post #96 of 246
I reread the FCE page. You are right Eugene.

We couldn't get that good of a value.
post #97 of 246
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Originally posted by Wrong Robot
Of course, I'm a bassist, not a guitarist, but I'm sure it would still work fine, though some effects might end up sounding a little wonky.

oh well, I got my BNX3 for that

Hey, I'm a bassist too! What kind of music do you play?

I can't wait to get my hands on GarageBand and try it out!

I have the Korg Pandora PX4B for effects, what's the BNX3? I'm thinking about getting the SansAmp for more pre- flexibility, have you tried one at all?
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Garageband.com vs. GarageBand:

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( BW)(CA-GARAGEBAND.COM)
Apple Computer Inc and Garageband.com Agree to Share Name; Apple Pays Garageband.com for Limited Rights to ``GarageBand'' Trademark


____SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 7, 2004--Garageband.com, the internet's largest legal source of free MP3 music, and Apple Computer have signed an agreement to share the name "GarageBand." The deal was signed in April 2003 but kept confidential by both parties until now.
____Apple Computer (Nasdaq:AAPL) has paid Garageband.com a one-time fee in order to use the name "GarageBand" for its music-creation software, part of the Apple iLife suite launched this week. Garageband.com ( http://www.garageband.com ) will otherwise retain its original rights to use the name for a vast range of products and services.
____"We have tremendous respect for Apple's vision and leadership in the digital music space," said Ali Partovi, CEO of Garageband.com. "We've always shared their goal of empowering musicians, and today we're excited to share with them our name. Now, any musician can create music on Apple's state-of-the-art GarageBand software and promote their recordings on Garageband.com's award-winning web services."
____At http://www.Garageband.com, ordinary listeners determine which songs make it to the top, and over 200,000 independent musicians compete for radio airplay (and coming soon, digital distribution on download services like Apple's iTunes music store).

____About Garageband.com

____Garageband.com is the world's largest musician community and home to the definitive charts of independent music. Since 1999, thirteen of Garageband.com's highest-ranking bands have been signed by major labels, one has gone double platinum, and many more have scored licensing or publishing deals.
____Garageband.com uses collaborative filtering to let ordinary people identify the best songs. This process provides unbiased feedback to musicians and well-organized charts of free music for consumers.
____Recognized by TIME Magazine as one of 2003's "50 Best Websites," Garageband.com's mission is to empower musicians and discover the best independent music. The company's long-term vision is to redefine how music is discovered and promoted.
____More info: http://www.garageband.com
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post #99 of 246
Is there a list anywhere on Apple's site of all the instruments GB has ?

I'm hoping there is an Oud (middle eastern lute) or some similar instrument - anyone know about this ?
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post #100 of 246
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Garageband.com vs. GarageBand:

Wow, I just signed up for garageband.com, it amazing. Unlimited MP3 downloads in genres that are severely lacking on the iTMS. Thanks for the link.
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post #101 of 246
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Is there a list anywhere on Apple's site of all the instruments GB has ?

I'm hoping there is an Oud (middle eastern lute) or some similar instrument - anyone know about this ?

I doubt. But there is an additional App called "Jam Pack" which adds additional instruments, sounds so it may possibly be included there.

Neither site seems to have specifics however.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...nMore=M9428Z/A
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post #102 of 246
So, is automation considered "pro" or is it there and I'm not seeing it?
post #103 of 246
I don't think you guys really understand how big of a deal GarageBand is (and I mean to paid musicians whom already own pro audio software). I produce downtempo electro-acoustic psychedelic (bassy breaks stuff) tracks for a local label with Reason, Ableton Live and Logic, but none are as sweet (or should I say organic) looking as GarageBand for recording and editing tracks (Reason actually looks quite good for a synth/sampler/effects rack : yet visually lacks when one is editing within the track mode). Why should I even mention to you how good looking GarageBand is? Why you say? Simple. If it excites me to work with a good looking peice of software - which I admit - it does very much (appealing to my eye - with incredible ease of use and superior workflow), it will inevitably inspire my work. And if it inspires my work, in any sort of creative way, I would gladly pay far more than the small price of $49 for it! Now granted, it does not do all the things that Live, Reason or Logic does, but by the looks of it.... I think it will do what it does better than anything else I've seen. GarageBand should be able to listen to (and record in stereo, I believe) a firewire enabled piece of hardware (like Yamaha's brand new o1x) with the knobs controlling any enabled AudioUnit plugins (in real-time of course). Will the AudioUnit capability within GarageBand allow me to use mastering plugins (not to mention 5.1 mixing)? How many AudioUnit plugins can run in real time while simply monitoring (or recording) my 12 String & vocals? Can you pre-record midi to the AudioUnit plugin effects while monitoring guitar or vocals while jamming to a pre-recorded piece (to provide dub-like capabilities)? Will GarageBand listen to more than one midi device at any given time (keyboards, mixer & envelope pedals)?
Obviously Im not sure on some of these paticular details, but Ill find out soon enough. I must remind myself this is Apples first release of this product, and updates will inevitably follow!

The fact it will seemlessly integrate with Soundtrack (when scoring within FCP 4), plays and records at 24bit 96khz (I think havent found the pdf on it yet Soundtrack does - so GarageBand should), uses AudioUnits, comes with a large amount of high quality (better than CD quality) samples (some of the best Ive ever heard by the way) and comes with 100 software instruments well its a steal (to say the least) at $49. Comparable software goes for hundreds of dollars more (not to mention the fact you get to upgrade your iDVD/ iMovie/ iPhoto as well). Not to mention the interface of those other apps are half as clean (re: slick) as GarageBand. Just check out the detailed wood side panels on the main mixer window. Dont you think it adds a warm touch? I like details like that. Thank you Apple!

Ill be buying it Ill also be upgrading to the Jampack available for it as well.
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post #104 of 246
By the way, the difference between Soundtrack (which I've used) and Garageband is GarageBand will listen to (and record) midi signals, and has more editing features (along with virtual/software instruments). It will work seemlessly with Soundtrack when one is working with a FCP4 project. You would first do your composing within GarageBand (you could even use your Soundtrack loops if you wanted - 1000's are available with FCP4), then you would import your entire composition into Soundtrack - for final sequencing within the project that you're working on inside FCP4! GarageBand is far more powerful for creating original compositions than Soundtrack, but you will use Soundtrack within FCP4 to sync it up to your video timeline. Apple has hit another home run!
post #105 of 246
Neutrix, do you know the answer to my question about whether you'll be able to make chord changes with the loop samples?
post #106 of 246
Does anyone think there's a chance that it could be hacked/patched to work with my 500Mhz G3 iMac? I really want this software, but I'm not about to shell out $2000 for a new mac just to use it.
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Does anyone think there's a chance that it could be hacked/patched to work with my 500Mhz G3 iMac? I really want this software, but I'm not about to shell out $2000 for a new mac just to use it.

What's holding you back? no DVD drive?

as long as you can install it, in theory, it should work, though it may work very slow. It won't say "you have 256 RAM! we asked for 384!!!" and then not let you use the software, heck, I was able to run Warcraft 3 on my iMac g3 500mhz. and that thing was way below all the system requirements.

if you don't have a DVD drive you will be in trouble I think because the install disc(and all the samples) are likely on 1 DVD disc. perhaps you could get an external DVD burner from a friend and use it as a DVD drive? I don't know if that'd work.
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Originally posted by BRussell
Neutrix, do you know the answer to my question about whether you'll be able to make chord changes with the loop samples?

The sample pic on Apple's site says you can transpose (change the key of) loops. Now, I haven't done any detailed digging, but if worst came to worst you could use 1 track for each chord, and transpose the loop to the desired chord on each track, then mix appropriately. After all, you have 64 tracks to work with.
post #109 of 246
trust me you can make chord changes with the loops. I have used Soundtrack and have split loops into 3 sections and changed the chord/pitch of each individual section. I'm sure GB will work just the same.
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post #110 of 246
Cool. So you must be able to independently change the pitch and tempo of these samples, even the non-MIDI ones? That's a nice trick.
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Cool. So you must be able to independently change the pitch and tempo of these samples, even the non-MIDI ones? That's a nice trick.

yes you can split the sounds/lops anywhere you want and change the pitch to every note if you can stand to take that much time. but it's fun, my son likes it and I am gonna like GB too.
right now It's a hassle for me to do stuff in soundtrck and then restart into jaguar so I can use my digi001/protools setup to input live music.
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What's holding you back? no DVD drive?

as long as you can install it, in theory, it should work, though it may work very slow. It won't say "you have 256 RAM! we asked for 384!!!" and then not let you use the software, heck, I was able to run Warcraft 3 on my iMac g3 500mhz. and that thing was way below all the system requirements.

if you don't have a DVD drive you will be in trouble I think because the install disc(and all the samples) are likely on 1 DVD disc. perhaps you could get an external DVD burner from a friend and use it as a DVD drive? I don't know if that'd work.

This is what it says on Apple's site:

System Requirements
* Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
-600MHz G3 or faster required for GarageBand; G4 or G5 required for GarageBand software instruments
* 256MB of physical RAM

I have 360-something ram, so that's fine, but I only have a 500mhz G3 and it says, "600MHz G3 or faster required for GarageBand; G4 or G5 required for GarageBand software instruments"

That's the problem
post #113 of 246
Yeah, but chances are it will still RUN, though it probably won't too well, it's worth a shot I think.
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post #114 of 246
I'll try it out, when I tried to install FCP4 a few months ago it said "Final Cut Pro 4 requires a G4 Processor - (CANCEL)"
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Originally posted by Sport73
I recently bought Soundtrack, and I plan to buy the iLife upgrade anyway...BUT, I'm not sure how these 2 differ???

any thoughts.

Soundtrack has loops, can be used to record/mix etc. and includes effects...

I knew Soundtrack was going to be a misleading application. I'm starting to think that is why GarageBand is here. If you thought, or think Soundtrack is going to be something similar to the GarageBand demo from the keynote your way off. SoundTrack is not a very good content creation application for anything other than scoring, or otherwise adding some backing sound to your iMovie, or FCP projects.

I tried to use it to make a song for a friend of mine, and quickly realized that I would be needing Logic to complete it. Now that GarageBand is here I should be able to finish a few other more complexed projects I was starting at that time.

I took Soundtrack to just about it's limits trying to make something that it was not intended to do.

If you want to hear a quickie somewhat heavy Techno-ish song made from Soundtrack It's on my iDisc with a JPEG of a EQ setting. Use the EQ setting in iTunes.

I'll let you know right now. I was not all that happy with the results, and the mixing features, or lack there of.
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post #116 of 246
Man. Now I'm thinking of ditching my old Mackie 1202 mixer for one of those M-Audio MobilePre USB preamps. I just wonder how the thing sounds using only software preamplification as opposed to some kind of outboard preamp.

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Man. Now I'm thinking of ditching my old Mackie 1202 mixer for one of those M-Audio MobilePre USB preamps. I just wonder how the thing sounds using only software preamplification as opposed to some kind of outboard preamp.

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From M-Audio's online product documentation :
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  • 2 microphone inputs (XLR balanced) with 48v phantom power
  • stereo microphone input (1/8)
  • 2 high-impedance instrument/line inputs (1/4 balanced)

This device contains preamps. GB only does amp modeling, you still need to provide a pre-.

[edit] After digging around Apple's pages I can't find anything that says a preamp is required. In fact, they sell a Monster 1/4 to 1/8 and say that's the only hardware required to connect an instrument (bass in my case) to a Mac.
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From M-Audio's online product documentation :


This device contains preamps. GB only does amp modeling, you still need to provide a pre-.

Hrm. If that's true, then the PR for the app is misleading:

"Rock on. Connect your electric guitar directly to your Mac by using this high-performance mono 1/4-inch phono to stereo 1/8-inch mini phonocable."

I guess I'll find out what's what next week.

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post #119 of 246
midwinter,

I added a link to my original post. The M-Audio does contain a pre (a good thing) but it looks like GB doesn't need a pre to record music.
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Hrm. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of that pre-amp. My main acoustic guitar has both a mic and a piezoelectric pickup in it, and each have their own jacks. Normally, I have to drag out a couple of 31-band EQs and my Mackie to get a single guitar signal into the computer. Hrm... surely this thing won't allow me to keep the two signals unmixed, would it? I suppose, in addition, that it's too much to ask that GB be able to record multiple input signals.

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