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would it not?
Apple would want the biggest hype and exposure to launch the world's fastest laptop ever. Does that single out MWNY in July as a likely date?
Speed bumped G5 towers in a few months followed by the PB in the summer?
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Speed bumped G5 towers in a few months followed by the PB in the summer?

yep - it's time for the rumour mill to crank up again.

What's the chances of some sort of SuperBowl Sunday announcement of something or other ?
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If you take a look at the seven (7) fans blowing across the new G5 Xserve processors, you will realize it will be a little while longer before the technology will make it into a 1 inch thick notebook.

But it will happen, no doubt.
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Actually, it's eight fans, but whose counting? Anyway, it will be some time before we find a G5 in a PowerBook at it's current thickness. Maybe a 1.75" thick PowerBook, like the xServe, but not in a less than one inch design.
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i think the one inch powerbook g5s will appear.


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This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
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cooligy

That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).

I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
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i think the one inch powerbook g5s will appear.


cooligy

This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!


Your kidding yourself.
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Eh, why not WWDC? Speaking of which, when is that scheduled for this year? Will it be back in it's traditionally May slot, or will it be in the June 23-27 slot used for the G5 rollout last year?

Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we
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Eh, why not WWDC? Speaking of which, when is that scheduled for this year? Will it be back in it's traditionally May slot, or will it be in the June 23-27 slot used for the G5 rollout last year?

The G5s were launched at the end of August. WWDC seems to have been moved in order to get Panther betas out at the event.
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post #10 of 55
I told you all that apple WOULD NOT being putting a G5 in a powerbook
anytime soon.
i doesnt make sense.
be REASONABLE.
the only answer is the rumoured 750vx chip,or whatever it will be called.
that is what apple will put in the new powerbooks and ibooks.
ive been lobbying for this for a while only to be mocked.
but now your laughter has turned to tears.
look.
the G5 produces pentium-like heat.
its only reasonable that apple like intel would find a solution in low-wattage processors like the centrinos or whatever they are called.
that is what WILL happen.
post #11 of 55
Heat is a very bad thing in a laptop. Moving it around really accomplishes nothing, what is needed is a low power chip set solution for the Laptops that can atleast double present performance. Sorry but there is nothing we know about, from the 970, that will allow a laptop at a reasonable power point.

Look at it this way - heat is power. In a laptop it is wasted power that only comes from the battery. Good laptop design involves the use of power frugal chips.

Moving the heat of a 970, with something like what cooligy is trying to sell, is IMHO the absolute wrong approach. Apples customers would reject such machines for anumber of reasons not the least of which is battery pefromance / battery size.

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That's all nice and stuff, but the heat still has to go somewhere. Where do you dissipate all of that heat? Cooling technology can move the heat around better, but it still has to get to the air somehow (instead of my lap, for example).

I'm sure G5s will be Powerbooks one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Anywho I don't think we will see a Powerbook G5 for a while, until the cooling issues can be worked out by Apple. We don't want to start fires now do we

I don't want fires to start...but as a firefighter, they do give me a job Now, I'm not encouraging any of you to go out and light things on fire, but, it never hurts to have some business...just try not to hurt yourself!

G5 PBs will show up soon enough, it's Apple we're talking about here. If anyone can do it, they can, and they will, and it will be better than any of us can imagine.
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post #13 of 55
If the PB G5 would be just around the corner we would have seen faster PBG4s first (read in the keynote)!

... and: if you can stick a G5 in PB, you can stick two 1GHz G4s in a PB 17" ...
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what about that PowerBook trade-in program?
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what about that PowerBook trade-in program?

what?
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what?

where you trade in yer current TiBook for credit towards an AluBook...
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where you trade in yer current TiBook for credit towards an AluBook...

noooooooooooo... murderer, my powerbook is my precious... no trading in, it's mine
i know clive will laugh his ass of but i wait for the one to rule them all:

powerbook G5.
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1. powerbook trade-in ends @ the end of MArch...no way it would be continued with g5 powerbooks
2. SJ said there will be no g5 powerbooks before 2004
3. Apple wants to create a 64bit OS soon and get all of its customers g5s.
4. Cooligy makes the chip start off cooler..and if you can get a super hot chip to run at g4 temps, then the cooling will not be an issue. Cooigy's technolgy absorbs heat at the point of orgin and utilizes an efficient system of liquid cooling. Considering they have announced their technology already, it is pretty obvious it has had a decent amount of time for beta testing and research with its orgins at Stanford.
5. Apple doesn't plan its product roadmap 6 months before the product is anticipated to launch, and it is pretty obvious the development cycle of the pb g5 started near the time of the powermac g5. I just think it was a little harder than expected to produce.
6. Those xserves have a 90nm chip.


I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC.
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Originally posted by jade
1. powerbook trade-in ends @ the end of MArch...no way it would be continued with g5 powerbooks
2. SJ said there will be no g5 powerbooks before 2004

it's 2004...
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I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC.

I think that that's the best case scenario


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post #20 of 55
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Originally posted by gar
it's 2004...
I think worst case scenario we will see pb g5s by WWDC. I think that that's the best case scenario

Damn strait! I would like to think that it would come before the Summer, so I, as well as other students, can get it in their hands. I would really really really like to have a G5 PowerBook, beyond words, I would say. It would just be SOOOooo much more powerful!

So, let's see, It will not come before March, and maybe on June 29th at WWDC. So... that would be a second best case scenario.

BEST case scenario would be April 5th, 12th, 19th, or 26th.
post #21 of 55
Hhmmm, my friends and I were hoping (but not expecting, there is a difference) to see a G5 PowerBook by November '03. When that didn't happen we hoped for MWSF. Now we are hoping for the next major event.

It doesn't affect me so much as to when we see G5 PowerBooks as I have the current 17". My friend however is still using a G3 Pismo in conjunction with his 1.42 Ghz Cube. He would have bought the 17" when I did except that he has made a mental commitment to purchase a G5 PB as soon as they come out (hence the hoping).

I am not expecting to see G5's in PowerBooks until AT LEAST November this year simply becaus ethere is obviously WAY too many cooling issues to deal with. When I first saw the G5 Power Mac I honestly felt that all the fans were there to reduce overall noise (1 fan running full tilt is louder than 7 running at 1/7 tilt) as well as leave the system expandable to future processors that may have run even hotter. But looking at the G5 XServe with all thoise fans lined up DIRECTLY on the processors (as well as the "speed" holes in the front onf the case), it seems obvious that the trade off for speed is heat.

I can just see Steve's conversation with IBM, it may have gone something like this:

"Hey there IBM. I need to get back into this game with a kick ass system! People like big numbers so I need a processor which is 64 bit, starts with a top end at 2 Ghz and will go to 3Ghz in a year (plus blah plus blah plus blah)!!! That should win them back!! What do you mean it'll run hot?!?!?! You worry about speed, Ives will worry about heat!!!"

And hence the G5 electric stove!!!
post #22 of 55
i think the current design was for future revisions

the g5s i have been close with seem to be ok in terms of heat dissapation.




by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.

my guess is:

G5 upgrade in Powermacs this month or imminent.

G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts ( i know this sounds way early but i look at the site and the ibook and powerbooks are too close, somethings gotta happen)
iPod mini Price drop at this time as well

G4 ibooks will go dual (you heard it here first!)
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post #23 of 55
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G4 ibooks will go dual (you heard it here first!)

and last. those things would make the same cooling and power problem.

GAH

EDIT: ADD TO CONVERSATION: They have been working on ways to get a G5 into a PowerBook ever since the PowerMac G5 was introduced. And the cooling, and the 90nm chip. The thing is. The XServe still needs those vents in the front. I think that there will be some vents in the back of the PowerBook.
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MWSF 2005

Now after 3 years of rumors on the G5 PM, please don't start a new roll with PB rumors
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and last. those things would make the same cooling and power problem.

i think the ibook line is gonna go extinct or get innovative...

maybe 5 yrs after we first saw a dual they finally figured how to do it, even if it is at the low and mid speeds...

i dunno. looking at the site, i wonder who in their right mind would get a 12" powerbook?
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post #26 of 55
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... by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.
... G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts...

Surprised nobody else pointed out MWNY is history.

Speaking of history, Apple has a tradition of missing customer-desired dates, so IMHO it's very unlikely PBG5's will exist in the July/August school ordering timeframe. pooandwee is probably about right with his November '04 guess.

Maybe it's the offshore manufacturing, but in recent years everything from Apple seems to take months longer than it reasonably should. (The 15" Alubook comes to mind...)
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I don't think that Apple has missed "customer-desired date." It is not like they are thinking "ohkay, guys, this is when everyone wants it, so, come on, let's push ourselves." They have their own dates. So, **** us. This is just pure speculation.

And, we can speculate about whatever we want that is not plain shit (such as those quad iBooks everyone talks about ), and the idea of talking about a PowerBook G5 is perfectly fine because there is a whole bunch of evidence pointing to the development of one and possibly the announcement of one, especially in this 20th Anniversary year that Jobs has already said they were going to release some "Great new Mac products."

It is happening in 2004, and I will put 30 Credits on the line.
post #28 of 55
what? i can't take a guess anymore? who says quad ibooksa re not arounf the corner?!?

anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...
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what? i can't take a guess anymore? who says quad ibooksa re not arounf the corner?!?

anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...

...or at least up the AluBook's specs...
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...or at least up the AluBook's specs...

free ipod with the damn thing atleast!!!

holla!
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post #31 of 55
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i dunno. looking at the site, i wonder who in their right mind would get a 12" powerbook?

People who don't like white!
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What would look better than to annouce it at WWDC? Think about all of the geeky developers there that would love to get their hands on a 64bit portable machine... Mmmmm.... Apple would completely wipe the floor. Were not the G5's announced last WWDC?
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Originally posted by Sopphode
MWSF 2005

Now after 3 years of rumors on the G5 PM, please don't start a new roll with PB rumors

before 2005...?

from macrumors
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PowerBook G5: By end of 2004?
Sunday September 21, 2003 04:10 PM EST

MacMinute reported on an article at 5dias.com(Spanish) with hints from Steve Jobs about G5 laptops.

The most pertinent quote from the 5dias.com article:

Afterwards [Jobs] admitted that the decisive revolution will be the introduction in laptops of the new 64 bit chip, the G5, that the company has developed along with IBM, with an investment of 3 billion dollars. 'We are working on it and what we'd like is to have it by the end of next year', he said.

Translation by microrario and VladDracul.

A caveat: An offhand interview comment by Jobs should not necessarily be taken as a product release timeframe.

around september 2004 the powerbook sales will be close to zero if the G5 powerbook hasn't been announced yet.
if we get another G4 powerbook update somewhere between may and september 2004 it will be very sad for apple's pro laptop range.
especially if they throw in some dual G4's.

we'll get some nasty powerbook hysteria aka powerbook-nervosa in the months to come.
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Think about all of the geeky developers there that would love to get their hands on a 64bit portable machine... Mmmmm.... Apple would completely wipe the floor.

The floor is already wiped by AMD (it's now 2-3 months), when it comes to 64bit portable machines...
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around september 2004 the powerbook sales will be close to zero if the G5 powerbook hasn't been announced yet.

Hard to tell really. How many people know about this interview, apart those lurking in these boards?
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well, that they "have it" by the end of next year means a MWSF 2005 announcement is most likely...

wait and see
post #37 of 55
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Originally posted by jade
i think the one inch powerbook g5s will appear.

cooligy

This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!

Cool link Jade. The problem with going forward with faster processors in the Powerbook (and ultimately all computers) is not Moore's Law, it is the law of thermodynamics. Increased power generates increased heat and this is what is preventing the G5 from appearing in the Powerbook.

Cooligy seems to be on to something here that can provide a solution to this dilemma. If I were IBM I'd buy the company right now just to keep it out of Intel's hands. I'm sure IBM has a trademark on "Micro Channel" architecture (a term used by Cooligy) filed away somewhere from the failed (to catch on) Micro Channel bus from the '70's.

In the Current Openings Cooligy is looking for a "staff scientist" with a "prefered knowledge" of surface modification such as silane chemistry:

I had no idea what that was all about, but a little Googling came up with this:



What that means to me is, if the are just hiring this guy, they are still trying to figure out how to bond their Micro Channel device to a very tiny, but really hot, little piece of silicon. Of course I'm sure IBM has some scientists with a great deal of surface modification using silane chemistry knowledge. (I'm winging it here, again) Let's hope they get this part figured out soon.

All that aside, I think we'll see the G5 Powerbook with this technology onboard. Along with it we will also see a fuel cell either replacing, or augmenting the battery in the G5 Powerbook. Powering the G5 is the flip side to the coin of cooling it.

{In related wild ass speculation, the waste byproduct of the fuel cell is water. Seems like I read somewhere on the web that somebody was developing a chip cooling system based on squirting micro amounts of water directly onto the chips surface to cool it.}

Since it may take some time for these two problems to be resolved, I think we will see a dual G4 configuration in the Powerbook before we will see a G5. It will probably restricted to plugged in for duals and stepped down to single CPU when on battery, but duals none the less.

I'm sure they could also do alternating use of the CPUs (taking turns being fully powered up) to assist in keeping the thing cooled down to usable levels.

So it is a given (I would think) that the G5 will come to the Powerbook so the real question is when?

Since this is the start of a New Year, and I have been giving predictions pretty freely lately (without any insider knowledge, I am no "Worker Bee") I'll go out on a limb and say that Apple will announce a dual G4 Powerbook as soon as sales really fall off for their current line due to anticipation of the G5 Powerbook, say around the WWDC this year. For the G5 (ta-da) Powerbook ~ the next MacWorld (that Apple attends).

My clairvoyance has sapped my mental energy, and my fingers are sore from all this typing ~ I'm going to get some breakfast.
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post #38 of 55
hummm the apple engeners have done some crasy things in the past, whi not a PB G5 with 8 gigs of ram and a 250 gig hard drive, that would make any super-bowl watchin windows laptop usen human salovate....

but the pice tag...o the pricetag.......

$base 15 inch $2200 1.6 g5 and 265meg/60gig
250gig +o say...$250
and 8 gigs of ram?.....well i hope you are sitting down for this.........

wouldntit be nice(slap slap pinch scream)..fffewhwhw sorry got stuck in dreamland for a moment.
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post #39 of 55
A reminder that while there is no more Macworld NY, Macworld Boston will still be held from July 12 - July 15.

Apple and IDG are still discussing Apple's presence at the show. So far, it has been reported that Apple will attend the show (have a booth), but it appears (as of now) that Steve Jobs won't give a keynote speech.
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For the G5 (ta-da) Powerbook ~ the next MacWorld (that Steve attends).

there, fixed that, Thanks fran
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