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I'm buying a PC and I'm going for 'Fujitsu-Siemens'. Not sure if they're sold in the US. However I can choose between same number of Mhz (1700), one with Athlon and the other with P4. The price difference is $92 in Athlons favour. What do you think is the better choice here? All other specs are same. Are there any compatibility issues with Athlon?

Any input appreciated
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post #2 of 28
Right, well, you're barking up the wrong tree here if you're looking for unbiased opinions related to your question. Here's mine anyway: buy a Mac.

On the other hand, you could post the inverse of your question on a PC forum and see what might happen.
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Determine what apps are important to your PC use and then I suggest you look at benchmarks at places like <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com" target="_blank">Tom's Hardware</a>, <a href="http://www.anandtech.com" target="_blank">Anandtech</a>, and <a href="http://www.sharkeyextreme.com" target="_blank">Sharkey Extreme</a>. Then read threads at <a href="http://www.arstechnica.com" target="_blank">Ars Technica</a>, particularly in the CPU & Motherboard Technologia forum to find recommendations for good components.

After that, hit <a href="http://www.mwave.com" target="_blank">MWave</a>, or <a href="http://www.pricewatch.com" target="_blank">Pricewatch</a>, or <a href="http://www.newegg.com[/url" target="_blank">NewEgg</a> when you shop for your components at the prices they offer.

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[quote]Originally posted by davester:
<strong>Right, well, you're barking up the wrong tree here if you're looking for unbiased opinions related to your question. Here's mine anyway: buy a Mac.

On the other hand, you could post the inverse of your question on a PC forum and see what might happen. </strong><hr></blockquote> Why should I buy a Mac when I already have 3 off 'em? :confused:

Thanks for the links 'TheAlmightyBabaramm'. I'm having a look at Toms HW, great page

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[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
[qb] Why should I buy a Mac when I already have 3 off 'em? :confused:
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Cause you can never have enough mac!

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[quote] Why should I buy a Mac when I already have 3 off 'em? <hr></blockquote>

You should be fed to the lions for asking your original question like that in a Mac forum. I'd expect to be ridiculed for openly admitting my allegiance to the dark side. Additionally, having 3 Macs, why would you now want a PC? Are you sick?

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[quote]Originally posted by davester:
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You should be fed to the lions for asking your original question like that in a Mac forum. I'd expect to be ridiculed for openly admitting my allegiance to the dark side. Additionally, having 3 Macs, why would you now want a PC? Are you sick?

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Hmmm, you all show great deal off majority here...hmmmmm. But to try and answer your question on why I'm gonna buy a PC this time around I'm gonna give you just a few.

1. My bank doesn't accept Macs for home banking for whatever reason.

2. I can't get online quotes on mortgage rates and such at the main Mortgage lender in this country.

3. I can't write flawlessly in my own language in Ms. Office. (The special characters only work in a limited number of fonts and only in size of 12 pt. or less) MS blames Apple for this but solution will at the very first be available with OsX.2

4. I can't video chat with my friends. Our community uses Yahoo as well as FocusFocus, neither of which are available for Macs at this time.

4. To view my regular web sites I have to switch between 2 or 3 browsers all the time and I'm getting sick and tired of it. As I stated in #2 that's not even enough.

5. OsX is too sluggish. Even on my G4/450 "Sawtooth" and it's 640mb RAM it's to slow

And to your last question about my state of health. I actually have pnaumonia right now but that hasn't anything to do with my decision to buy a peezee this time around

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post #8 of 28
well, back to the original post, i would go with the Athlon. i've had great luck with them, and they can usually be overclocked quite a bit past the original settings.

i used to use pentiums in machines, but switched to Athlons years ago due to price/performance issues. the PIV's just made that decision easier. clock for clock they suck compared to PIII's and Athlons.
post #9 of 28
The Athlon XP1700 and the P4 1.7 are about equal speed-wise. If all other things (RAM-DDR,SDR,RD???) are equal, get the cheaper one, i.e. the Athlon.

One thing : beware of P4 systems with SD-Ram! They're memory starved and slow as molasses.
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[quote]Originally posted by amyklai:
<strong>The Athlon XP1700 and the P4 1.7 are about equal speed-wise. If all other things (RAM-DDR,SDR,RD???) are equal, get the cheaper one, i.e. the Athlon.

One thing : beware of P4 systems with SD-Ram! They're memory starved and slow as molasses.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes take the athlon ,and avoid P4 with Sd -RAM a real more than one ghz turtle.
post #11 of 28
athlon.. make sure you get DDR ram... makes the difference.

But, why dont you buy a highend Mac and use VPC for your banking, etc needs?
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post #12 of 28
Get an Athlon

It's cheaper
It's faster
It's better
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post #13 of 28
The Athlon outperforms the P4 in almost every area. 3D rendering might be slightly faster on the P4 given it's a DDRRam. But overall the Athlon is be far the better choice.
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One nitpick: There is not 1.7GHz Athlon yet. At least not for a few days. I know I know, you meant the XP 1700+. That runs at 1.47GHz.

The P4 1.7 would be the Williamette I'm assuming, as the Northwood has only been released at 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2. If it was the Northwood it would be much better choice; the Northwoods overclock like crazy. Everybody I've heard of has gotten they're NW at 1.6 to reach 2.0 or more.

Since it's not, go AMD. The XP1700 is a perfect balance of price/MHz...good bang for the buck. Pair it with some good RAM (Crucial PC2100), and you have a very nice system.

A good HS (Alpha PAL8045, ThermalRight SK6, ThermalRight AX7) with a high-performance fan will yield decent overclocking. Not NW-like, but decent. I'd bet you could get most Athlons from the standard 1.47 to 1.6.

Whoops. I just read your post again and it seems like you are buying it pre-built. So you probably won't be able to choose your HSF. Oh well. Building it yourself is still a worthy option to consider.
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[quote]Originally posted by Intelligent Dandy:
<strong>The Athlon outperforms the P4 in almost every area. 3D rendering might be slightly faster on the P4 given it's a DDRRam. But overall the Athlon is be far the better choice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not the Northwood. The 2.2GHz P4 outperformed the fastest Athlon in almost every test. If I remember from the benchmark photos correctly, the Athlon either came neck and neck and or passed the P4 in only one or two (out of many) tests by a hair. Overall, the Northwood P4 is the current better performer. The days of the P4 being a one legged MHz whore are over! The P4 is a screamer (especially coupled with Rambus RAM). Now that the MHz meet the new architecture and closed the gap, it will only get faster from here (obviously). Thanks to AMD, the prices are more competitive as well. However, since the Athlon performance almost as good as the P4, it has more bang for your buck.

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post #16 of 28
Except for a few things, the 1.67 GHz Athlon XP is not as fast as a 2+ GHz P4. Hurray for AMD's marketing.

Additionally:

1) the P4 is not going to burn up on you if you dislodge your heatsink.
2) the Socket 423 / Northwood P4s don't gobble as much power and runs cooler.
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post #17 of 28
one little point here. he's not talking about the fastest P4, he's talking about a 1.7.

the 1.47 athlon will be faster than the 1.7 P4. it's also cheaper.

and i don't know about you, but i've yet to ever come across someone who's heatsink fell off.
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[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
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and i don't know about you, but i've yet to ever come across someone who's heatsink fell off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #19 of 28
Get an Athlon.I built a 1.4GHZ with 256 SDRAM,40gb 7200 rpm hard drive,black Antec server case,black wireless Logitech keyboard and optical mouse,speakers,ethernet,black Viewsonic 17"LCD monitor(very sharp!),16-12-40CD\\RW &16-DVD and Epson C60 printer for less than $2,000.I'm running Win2000 Professional and so far I have not had any crashes...it's just a lot more stable than Win98!!!
I would have spent much more for a Pentium system to get similar performance since the Athlon is much more efficient in just about every way!
By the way I'm planning on getting myself a PM in a few months(I'm keeping this system though).Thought about a G4 but with all the talk about the G5 coming out...

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Don't spend too much money on a PC with those requirements. The only thing on your list that pushes the machine at all would be video chat.
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post #21 of 28
Those black antec server cases are sweet. I want a tyan tiger dual athlon 1700+ in one of those antec cases (for linux, not windows!).
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post #22 of 28
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[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>athlon.. make sure you get DDR ram... makes the difference.

But, why dont you buy a highend Mac and use VPC for your banking, etc needs?</strong><hr></blockquote> I do not afford it right now However, will VPC run decently on the new iMacs? That could be an option for me maybe
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[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong> I do not afford it right now However, will VPC run decently on the new iMacs? That could be an option for me maybe</strong><hr></blockquote> VPC should run OK on them. Windows XP could be slow but '98 or even ME should be ok
post #24 of 28
If you really dont want to buy a Mac. Athlons are much faster than Pentium 4. Athlon computers are also much cooler.


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P4 1.8 northwood does have 400mhz bus while the athlon xp only has 266. So that may be an optino to consider.
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Nice to 'read' another Dane. The Seimes PC is probably an OK computer, but you will get a better deal if you buy your computer from a 'real' computer shop as <a href="http://www.shg.dk/shg.htm" target="_blank">http://www.shg.dk/shg.htm</a>

They let you choose your own components and their prices are competitive, especially with brand name computers. They sell computers too all of Denmark and is well respected.

Gå ind under produkter og saml selv. Vælg en AMD Duron/Thunderbird computer. Du kan også ringe eller maile dem hvis ikke du kan lide at bruge deres noget besværlige system på hjemmesiden.

If youre only going to use it for your net bank then a 1 GHz Duron will do nicely enough!

My suggestions are as following:

Motherboard: MSI MS-673 K7n420 Pro it is a Nvidia MB and very stable, it comes with a GF2 MX, LAN and high quality sound built in. I believe there is even a TV-Out extension to put into your AGP port, this of course if you dont upgrade to a better video card. Upgrades its BIOS automatically from the net!

CD-RW Lite-ON, 24/10/40, a nice CDRW, burns every thing at 24 speed! Have one myself and love it.

DVD; if so I recommend the Lite-On x16.

CPU; 1 GHz Duron or the XP1600+/XP1700+ for games.

Floppy (Disk drev): Panasonic/Sony doesnt matter

Harddisk: Seagate Barracuda 60 GB (nice!)

Video Card: None (there is a GF2 MX built in) or a Palit Daytona GF3 Ti200 for games (these overclock to almost GF3 Ti500 level) Cheap too - with TV-Out I belive, maybe even DVI for a LCD screen.

Dont buy any IDE controllers

Speakers find one you like at shg or your local shop.

Cabinets are a matter of taste so I will let you pick one your self, you proberbly need to do some investigation on the net at the manufactures. I always choose a cheap one. A 300 watt powersupply is a must though. Dont choose a desktop cabinet as they tend to get hotter and are harder to work with if and when you choose to upgrade something.

Cooler: Dont know any of them, but the Molex with the thermostat seems nice at 249,-, talk to the shop on the phone to find one thats good for the CPU and find one at the noise level which you can stand.

Sound card; none, the soundcard thats built in the mother board is at least as good as anything Creative makes.

LAN: Built in the mother board again.

RAM: 2x256mb Kingston or Apacer DDR 2100 PC266. Prices are almost the same, Apacer is a bit cheaper. You will need the ram to be in to blocks to make the MSI mother board fly and use the onboard Gf2 MX. Win XP like at least 256 MB and loves 512 MB - choose 512 MB. You will need to call the store and specify your order as you cant choose two blocks of Ram on the webpage ask about the heat sink at the same time.

Mice and Keyboard is a personal choice and can be bought anywhere.

Assembly: Yes please

With everything DVD, XP1700 and the GF3 Ti200 it comes to 9909,-. (Cheap if you ask me)

7140,- with a 1 GHz Duron, no video card upgrade or DVD

I am almost sure that the Seimens comes with SD ram and not DDR ram and it is probably still more expensive.

This machine built only from high quality components and I dont think the same can be said for the siemens pc.

I choose the Aashima Maxitower (549,-) for this calculation there are no mice, keyboard or speaker included in this example.

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Thanks for the link and advice -@-. I'll probably end up shopping there. Not sure if to buy the MSI K7N420 PRO or an ASUS one. I'm told ASUS are more relyable but don't know it first hand.

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[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong>Thanks for the link and advice -@-. I'll probably end up shopping there. Not sure if to buy the MSI K7N420 PRO or an ASUS one. I'm told ASUS are more relyable but don't know it first hand.

Tak igen </strong><hr></blockquote>

Glad to be of service! I belive that shg recomends the MSI, look on their web site. The MSI is an exact replica of the nvidia reference motherboard, the ASUS one have a different lan.

Either way MSI or ASUS are both quality MBs. Not sure that the ASUS one offer a TV-Out extension but if you go for a GF3 Ti200 then there are no need for it, or space. I think that 'live' bios (updates itself from the net) is an exclusive MSI feature, but not sure.

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Be carefull of VIA based boards as there can be trouble with VIA drivers and chipsets. With the new drivers Nvidia based boards are as fast as a VIA 266A based board and they dont have the same disapointing record of trouble. With a nvidia based board you can be sure of excelent drivers.
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Good luck with your buy.

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