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We've all been discussing the possibility of new processors, DDR ram, new buses, and LCD screens. What I want to know is, what else do you think we may see? A few posts here and there have hinted at new methods of user interface control, and I believe it.

I don't know if it will be in full force this January, but I'm sure its coming. I say this because I know that a recently released Apple product was supposed to incorporate something along these lines, but didnt quite make it. I'm not going to spill it, because its not worth getting in trouble over, and it wasn't related to functionality. It was just one of those very cool touches that would only show up in an Apple product.


Additionally, I still think we're going to see an integrated webcam in the LCD iMac.

Anyone else have any thoughts/guesses along these lines?

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I suggested in my FINAL Predictions thread that the following could be a "one more thing" product that we never saw coming.

Apple's NEW Pro Speakers"
-- 2 speakers in each side: full-range in compact enclosure (tiny soundsticks)
-- Crystal clear enclosure
-- 6-pin Firewire based: power to spk. & FW ports for easy desktop access to iPod, DV camcorders, FW-based digicams, ext. drives (extending digital hub idea)
-- Can be plugged into iPod for full-range sound, powered by iPod (reduces to 4 hrs. max battery playback)
-- For OS X 10.1.3 & 9.2.3 or higher, available immediately.
-- Comes with new Power Mac G4's or available for $79 from Apple Stores.

Gotta admit, it's kind of a cool idea.

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I don't know if it will be in full force this January, but I'm sure its coming. I say this because I know that a recently released Apple product was supposed to incorporate something along these lines, but didnt quite make it. I'm not going to spill it, because its not worth getting in trouble over, and it wasn't related to functionality. It was just one of those very cool touches that would only show up in an Apple product. -TCO

You mean the iPod's remote control feature? I think you mean a way to control your devices from one universal remote kind of thing.


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[quote]You mean the iPod's remote control feature? I think you mean a way to control your devices from one universal remote kind of thing.<hr></blockquote>

No no, nothing like that... this isnt something that has been rumored, and like I said it's not key to the functionality of the device.

BTW, I'm not saying we wont see a universal remote, I'm just saying thats not what I'm talkin about.
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Touchscreen interactivity?

I have heard that Apple has some hand held units being used for control purposes in Apple headquarters.
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Don't forget Apple has had some touch-screen iMacs for education purchase only. They cost around $2500 or something, but no one hardly ever talked about them.
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[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>Don't forget Apple has had some touch-screen iMacs for education purchase only. They cost around $2500 or something, but no one hardly ever talked about them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats b/c they were not made by apple. Some company incorperated a USB touchscreen into the imacs, it was wickedly expensive and marginally useful I would say. Not that great.
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Touchscreen interactivity?

I have heard that Apple has some hand held units being used for control purposes in Apple headquarters.
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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>Touchscreen interactivity?

I have heard that Apple has some hand held units being used for control purposes in Apple headquarters.</strong><hr></blockquote>

they're called Newtons
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Apple supposedly has handheld devices used only in the HQ. I know people that have had to sign NDA's when going to see these "in progress" things at Apple. They are not Newtons. I have just been told that there are some cool unreleased gadgets sitting around at Apple. I have no idea if this is true or not but I know that it is a real possibility.

I am not trying to stir the shit storm.

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[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>Apple supposedly has handheld devices used only in the HQ. I know people that have had to sign NDA's when going to see these "in progress" things at Apple. They are not Newtons. I have just been told that there are some cool unreleased gadgets sitting around at Apple. I have no idea if this is true or not but I know that it is a real possibility.

I am not trying to stir the shit storm.

[ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Macintosh ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

they're newtons and sony touch screen remotes for tvs, stereos and lights
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I think Apple will release iPhoto, a consumer version of Photoshop. I believe this is partly why Adobe is being stubborn in its release for an OS X native version of Photoshop. That and export to PDF didn't float too well with them. Although, if Apple were to release iPhoto, it would be marked as a consumer product, like iTunes or iMovie. Graphics professionals would continue to use Photoshop. The real reason that I don't think Adobe has created OS X native products for most of its product line is because graphics and media professionals don't jump to upgrade all of their equipment to the latest and greatest every time something new comes out. Adobe will eventually develop for OS X. Be patient.

So my predictions for "other" things are iPhoto and possibly a firewire based digital camera. I draw these conclusions from Jobs' release of the iPod. He stated that the four uses of the personal computer were for music, DVDs, movies, and photos. And he showed a pie chart in four pieces that had iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and Photos. iPhoto would seem a natural filler to that remaining piece. The firewire camera comes from the 10.1.2 update that adds support for Firewire digital cameras.

These are all opinions I have drawn from various readings and interpretations.
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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they're newtons and sony touch screen remotes for tvs, stereos and lights </strong><hr></blockquote>

Those Sony remotes are cool! I'd buy one, especially since EVERYTHING in my entertainment center is Sony. The only problem is they are at least $130 US. Ouch.
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How about things which plug into the iPod? That gadget is awfully overpowered (and overpriced) to just be an MP3 player. 5 Gb disk, StrongARM processor, FireWire interface... it feels like it has a lot more potential.
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[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>How about things which plug into the iPod? That gadget is awfully overpowered (and overpriced) to just be an MP3 player. 5 Gb disk, StrongARM processor, FireWire interface... it feels like it has a lot more potential.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was wondering about this.

What if Apple makes a camera module (CCD, lens, flash, etc.) that plugs onto the iPod, which becomes the storage for the images. With 5GB, that's a lot of images or even short video clips.
Attaching the iPod to your Mac launches iTunes. Attaching the digicam+iPod launches iPhoto.

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post #16 of 34
They say they are going to show us an "powerful, user-friendly, and eye-catching" product.Does anyone remember the words Steve use to describe the iPod before show it? Could these tips be refered to iMac? I don't think it
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post #17 of 34
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[quote]I was wondering about this.

What if Apple makes a camera module (CCD, lens, flash, etc.) that plugs onto the iPod, which becomes the storage for the images. With 5GB, that's a lot of images or even short video clips.
Attaching the iPod to your Mac launches iTunes. Attaching the digicam+iPod launches iPhoto.<hr></blockquote>

I, along with some others here, have held out that possibility for awhile. THe only thing against a module that plugs into the iPod, is that it doesnt really look like its built for that. One never knows, but it would seem to be far more likely if the iPod's design suggested some type of attachment for an external module of some bulk.

Here's another thought. People have been clamoring for another full-size external drive bay in the tower. I'm also sure that other people, who will buy the same machine (yes, the same machine) aren't looking for a big ol' tower taking up tons of room. So I'm thinking it's time for an expandable drive bay, out the top of the machine. Think of the existing tower. Now imagine if you pushed on the top of the tower and it popped up exactly the size of a 5 1/4 bay. I'm imagining something spring loaded with a stop at either end. Push, pop. Push again, click, locked down. So as not to look crappy, it would take a bit of modification to the existing case design. Of course, the new cases could look completely different, but its still a feature I'd like to see in ANY case, be it PC or Mac. I'm actually really sick of the typical rigid computer case.

I'll also tell you my super-expanding idea if you like
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[quote]Originally posted by TCO:
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I, along with some others here, have held out that possibility for awhile. THe only thing against a module that plugs into the iPod, is that it doesnt really look like its built for that. One never knows, but it would seem to be far more likely if the iPod's design suggested some type of attachment for an external module of some bulk.
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The iPod is perfectly built for it... plug in a FireWire cable, drop it into your pocket and run the cable to the camera (or whatever) module.
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post #19 of 34
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[quote]The iPod is perfectly built for it... plug in a FireWire cable, drop it into your pocket and run the cable to the camera (or whatever) module.<hr></blockquote>

Naw, man, I understand that. That was the first thing I proposed on this forum, awhile back. In that case though, it's not a module, it's an independent device which CAN use the iPod, instead of a device designed to work exclusively with it. At which point, you have to include internal storage at the very least, driving up the price point among other things.
post #20 of 34
iPhoto is no more. Development has stopped at a near complete status, due to the now strengthening relationship between our company and Adobe.

Originally, it was being developed partly due to image capture integration (note the hooks that are already in there for PS7, look carefully), partly due to "digital hub" idea, and partly due to Adobe's PS7 being some ways off.

Unfortunately it was leaked to the public that relations between the 2 A's was weakening, however my boss rectified this. Adobe wanted several things. Time and patience on Apples behalf, new code (OS10.1), and removal of iPhoto, perceived as a significant threat to PS LE.

Steve did as asked. Now there is no iPhoto. In return, Adobe stationed more engineers on the X porting teams, and thus Apple will have their pro apps out sooner for X.

iPhoto was cool... my boss loved it... but it was worth the sacrifice. Forget iPhoto.
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What are you? One of these?
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I can definitely see Apple scrapping iPhoto as a deferment to Adobe. Not due to Photoshop, but, as office cleaner wrote, due to PS Elements. There's no way Adobe would have been happy with a free Apple app competing directly with it, and I just can't see Apple messing with Adobe like that given P-shop's stature in Mac-land. I hope that Elements gets Carbonized right around the same time as the full P-Shop.

As far as other new things we may see next week (!soon!)..I expect there will be another digital device rather than a new iApp. Given all the hype this expo is getting (from Apple and not just us), I think we'll be seeing the new iMac and one other new toy.
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[quote]Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel:
<strong> Given all the hype this expo is getting (from Apple and not just us), I think we'll be seeing the new iMac and one other new toy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What hype has Apple been making besides the ordinary pre MW stuff?
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[quote]What hype has Apple been making besides the ordinary pre MW stuff?<hr></blockquote>

They moved the keynote up a day less than one month before the expo. With travel arrangements being harder to make on short notice, Apple has been really hyping the keynote up more than usual to make it up to those going to the show.
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A 7 minute double post? :eek:
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I navigated back to this page from the "go" menu in Netscape but went to the wrong page - it was the "thanks for posting" page, and it posted the double.
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(referring to Frans post): It could actually also make people go "Screw Apple. I won´t go through hell just to see that neohippie play around with Aqua and PS". I think most people who book airline tickets and hotel are going to MW mainly for the exhibition, not the keynote. Don´t get me wrong. I believe a new iMac (or equiliant consumer desktop) will take centerstage but I don´t see this as an more importent MW than let say last years (TiBook and X) or the one where the original iBook was released.

Perhaps they just don´t want to be concerned with journalists looking behind the black curtains into the Apple part of the exhibition. Or perhaps Jobs really wnted to be the keynote speaker of that other show at the 8. and we just wasnt informed until yesterday.

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[quote]Oginally posted by Anders:What hype has Apple been making besides the ordinary pre MW stuff?<hr></blockquote>

Well I dont mean to throw anything more into the fire but ... hey why not?!? I was on Macrumors.com I think when I saw a link to this: <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf02/" target="_blank">MWSF Keynote</a>

The info on the page says:

Watch Apple CEO Steve Jobs deliver the Macworld Expo keynote address from Moscone Center in San Francisco. See the live webcast right here on January 7 at 9am PT exclusively in QuickTime. It's an event you won't want to miss



I don't know it may just be marketing but it sounds exciting to me.
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[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>How about things which plug into the iPod? That gadget is awfully overpowered (and overpriced) to just be an MP3 player. 5 Gb disk, StrongARM processor, FireWire interface... it feels like it has a lot more potential.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've often wondered why they called it iPod. It has no connotation at all to music.


Consider iTunes, iMac, iMovie, iTools, iDisk, etc... they;re all very obvious. iPod is far more generic. I think you're right.

I'll wait for the iPod cell phone / PDA model witha 20gig hard drive before I slap down $600 CDN plus taxes for it though.
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post #31 of 34
Regarding iPhoto - I think it would be a good idea to still make this app... just maybe a little differently. Instead of an image editor, perhaps they could expand upon Image Capture and add some photo organization capabilities - think iTunes for photos.
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[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
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They moved the keynote up a day less than one month before the expo. With travel arrangements being harder to make on short notice, Apple has been really hyping the keynote up more than usual to make it up to those going to the show.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's because Steve is keynoting another conference EC something the next day. He had to reschedule the MWSF keynote to make room for it.
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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>That's because Steve is keynoting another conference EC something the next day. He had to reschedule the MWSF keynote to make room for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, someone called up the other conference (may have been go2mac??) regardless, it is incorrect.
We still have no good reason why it was moved back--and Apple better have a good one, a lot of people lost money b/c of it...
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[quote]Originally posted by sCreeD:
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I was wondering about this.

What if Apple makes a camera module (CCD, lens, flash, etc.) that plugs onto the iPod, which becomes the storage for the images. With 5GB, that's a lot of images or even short video clips.
Attaching the iPod to your Mac launches iTunes. Attaching the digicam+iPod launches iPhoto.

Screed</strong><hr></blockquote>

Reading through this thread, I believe that additional iDevices could work in conjunction with the iPod to deliver both storage AND power, perhaps even the CPU. Could the iPod possibly fit into a slot on an iDevice in the same way that a battery goes into a camcorder? I'm just wondering whether it's feasible.
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