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26th March 2004 - new G5's?

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Apple Australia trade in offer ending 26 March 2004 may give some clues as to G5 upgrade in Australia??

...long wait....


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post #2 of 116
i think this was discussed in the 'countdown to g5's thread'.... i sure hope they come sooner than that
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They're a little backwards down there sometimes. No offense.
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They're a little backwards down there sometimes. No offense.


We are at the 'arse' (excuse the Australian colloquialism) end of the world and are a dumping ground for last seasons technology.

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An odd thing in Russia. One of Apple dealers is offering G5@1.6GHz for $1729 ($70 less than at store.apple.com), while duals 1.8 and 2GHz have the same price as before (+$500 and +$850 compared to store.apple.com). Really weird. Never seen Macs in Russia cheaper than in US.

[Edit]: Same thing with another dealer. This may be a sure sign of Apple's activity on the hardware front.
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sure would be nice, the 26th of March is my birthday
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March will be a logical date for updating the powermac G5 :
- Apple will have enough G5 90nm stockpilled
- It will be 6 months after the initial release of the powermac G5

Apple do not have to announce this update too early at the difference of the G5 who was necessary to prevent people of switching to the PC. Now, if Apple wants to gain some credibility, he should be able to deliver in time the rev B powermac.

Anyway i expect more in late march, just than new powermacs. I expect a major update of the I mac line wiht G5 inside. My wife is waiting this product before updating the old G3 400 of her office.
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... I expect a major update of the I mac line wiht G5 inside. My wife is waiting this product before updating the old G3 400 of her office.

I think a G5 iMac is what I want too; but they're not blowing out iMacs right now like I'd expect them to.

By contrast, look what they're doing with the 1.8 singles - they're being discounted everywhere. That's a pretty good sign that PowerMac updates are coming.

When we see the G4 17" superdrive for $1199 then we'll know that something big is coming!
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I hope March 26th is the "worst case". If Apple has piled up enough 90nm 2.6GHz G5 Power Macs and managed to get rid of the 1.6 and 1.8GHz models by then, they can end the trade-in offer as the terms states.
Reading debates on (apple/mac-rumor)forums tells me that a lot of people are waiting for faster G5s before buying their first G5. It's not good business for Apple to wait "forever" with the speedbumps, at least not if 2-300 potential buyers read these forums and each then tell 1 or 2 other potential buyers etc, and then wait for another couple of months before buying. However, this is probably something Apple is aware of...

At least I'm optimistic, because more GHz (I'm fooled by the MHz-myth.. ) will make the PC-fanatics open their eyes for Mac. And I won't have to spend hours convincing PC-dudes that the G5 is the worlds fastest PC... (A Mac is a Mac, no-matter what)
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How does this match up with Steve's announcement that they will be at 3Ghz in 1 year? A little short on the time I think...................
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I do not think a March 26th release of updated PowerMacs would jive with the 3Ghz in one year announcement at last years developer conference. That would mean another significant upgrade in 3 months.

It would make more sense for an iMac upgrade it is older as a form factor and will probably move into the lower 1.6 and 1.8 MHz speed.
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Here is what I can see happening:

It is a known fact that Steve wants to not only beat Intel at performance, but beat them at their own Mhz game. At WWDC we will see dual 3.2Ghz G5 PowerMacs. This will close the gap even more because Intel will only be at 3.4Ghz. Then, at the end of WWDC, Steve will show off the 3.5Ghz G5. This will be put down Intel for a while. During the fall, sometime around November or maybe MWSF, Steve will debut the G6 running at 4Ghz with dual cores.

I know this sounds far fetched, but this is the new IBM we are talking about. Never thought I would say that before...
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Here is what I can see happening:

I know this sounds far fetched, but this is the new IBM we are talking about. Never thought I would say that before...


i would love if IBM made far fetched releases reality!
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How does this match up with Steve's announcement that they will be at 3Ghz in 1 year? A little short on the time I think...................

I hate to say it, but as time passes on without new Power Macs, the Croquer scenario discussed in the other thread (WWDC introduction of new Power Macs), gets more and more close to reality.
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It is a known fact that Steve wants to not only beat Intel at performance, but beat them at their own Mhz game. At WWDC we will see dual 3.2Ghz G5 PowerMacs. This will close the gap even more because Intel will only be at 3.4Ghz. Then, at the end of WWDC, Steve will show off the 3.5Ghz G5. This will be put down Intel for a while. During the fall, sometime around November or maybe MWSF, Steve will debut the G6 running at 4Ghz with dual cores.

This is utterly and completely wishful thinking. There is no way IBM is able to double the clockrate of its CPUs within 12 month.
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I do not think a March 26th release of updated PowerMacs would jive with the 3Ghz in one year announcement at last years developer conference. That would mean another significant upgrade in 3 months.

Not quite so. August 26th will still be 5 months ahead and still be this summer. At least, theoretically.
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This is utterly and completely wishful thinking. There is no way IBM is able to double the clockrate of its CPUs within 12 month.

Double? It is 50%. They had 970's running in the lab at 3GHz before they released the 2GHz model. The real issue surrounds production yields, which in turn govern pricing. So I suspect Apple and IBM are being very conservative in order to achieve the best yields. Going to 90NM is another way to reduce the costs of the 970, significantly reducing IBM's costs. Another technique IBM could use to improve their yields going forward incorporates what IBM calls eFuse. Basically, provide redundancy for components most likely to fail during manufacturing.
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Double? It is 50%.

Huh? Going from 2Ghz in fall 03 to 4Ghz in fall 04 is a jump of 100% exactly. If Apple had 3Ghz pieces running in the lab when they released the 2Ghz duals (do you actually know they had? you don't.), they'll have 5 or 6Ghz running in the lab once they release the 4Ghz machines.
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This is utterly and completely wishful thinking. There is no way IBM is able to double the clockrate of its CPUs within 12 month.

tell that to Moore and the entire history of cpus!
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post #20 of 116
Well... In labs you tend to have products running that you will not release for up to 2 years. This is true on just about anything manufactured. You dont make them the month before you release them

Smircle - You say that a year is too little time to go from 2Ghz to 4Ghz. While this may be true, I never said they would release them in 2004:

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This will be put down Intel for a while. During the fall, sometime around November or maybe MWSF, Steve will debut the G6 running at 4Ghz with dual cores.

So see? They could debut them in the beginning of 2005 and not actually release them for another 6-8 weeks to ramp up production. You know everyone and their dog will want them... I might wait and not buy a new computer just to see what how fast they will get! This is not Motorola after all!
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How does this match up with Steve's announcement that they will be at 3Ghz in 1 year? A little short on the time I think...................

Nope, he can announce the machines at WWDC and still be on time. He never said anything about shipping 1 year after. But i expect Steve to announce them to be available immediately, and with a august announcement date.
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By contrast, look what they're doing with the 1.8 singles - they're being discounted everywhere. That's a pretty good sign that PowerMac updates are coming.

Apple discontinued the single models months ago, sooo...
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post #22 of 116
So (shortly after) March 26th seems likely, then? And the 3Ghz-"limit" will be broken in August.
What models will we see in March? dual 2Ghz, dual 2.2 and dual 2.4 Ghz? Or will they continue the dual 1.8 model, so the line will be dual 1.8, dual 2 and dual 2.2... Time will tell/show I guess. Seems like nobody knows this time.
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March 26th is my birthday too! Can't afford a G5 though
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March 26th is my birthday too! Can't afford a G5 though

hehehehe...

me neither

I will put it on my wishlist though :-D
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Apple isn't going to wait a whole year (WWDC) to announce the Rev B g5's. They would lose a lot of business. I don't believe they've ever gone passed 8 months on a Revision since Jobs has come back... though I could be wrong.

Either way... Late March will be the latest. I wouldn't even consider Australia being a good judgement. First off apple doesn't ship new products internationally right away any ways... the g5's took until almost november to actually ship a nice quantity around the world. So by the time that deal ends Australia still won't have the new Rev B's.

There is so many people waiting for the Rev B's. There has been since the Rev A's were announced. Most people don't have that much faith to dump into a brand new product and therefor wait. Apple is not going to make them wait a whole year.

Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.

 

 

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Apple isn't going to wait a whole year (WWDC) to announce the Rev B g5's.

I think its very possible.

Apple is very happy with what they have out and they don't seem to want to take the focus off the iPod anyways.

Whats depressing about this is that the iPod will not have near the run the Mac has. Not close.

But the move from computer company to music one is going to happen.
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Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.

I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time). They must have put massive effort into developing them and they have other lines to consider too. So, leave them at 2Ghz or up them to 2.2 Ghz top until the 975 allows for up to 3Ghz and then introduce a massive rev b with 2.2, 2.6 and 3.0Ghz.

That said, I expect a slight speed bump (1.8 - 2.2Ghz) in March/April.
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I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time).

There is absolutely no way apple will bump up 200mhz then 6 months later bump up to 3 ghz. I wouldn't put it passed apple to only bump up 200mhz but I seriously doubt it. I has been stated by Jobs himself that they had 3ghz machines running since last august. This suggests that it is all about yield. Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.

And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's \

 

 

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post #29 of 116
I just love the waiting game. Right now I'm considering to wait until the 3 GHz comes out & save up a little more money. When the time comes, I'll probably play the game a little longer. Though I would love to buy one right now, I have nothing that I really need it for. My old iMac DVSe still serves me nicely
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Perhaps the fact that no new G5s were released when people were expecting/hoping bodes well; Apple, anxious to avoid the G5 introduction debacle, is waiting until theres an actual inventory of new machines, so you can pay your money and actually get your computer in a day or two.

An even more interesting question, at least in my mind, is whether the new G5 towers will all be based on the 90n chip or whether there will be a mix of machines, perhaps a low-end single 2 MGh with the 130n chip in the dumbed down old 1.6 chasis; a dual 2.2 MGh, which could either be a 130n or 90n, and a dual 2.4 MGh 90n machine. Time will tell.
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The month of February is still far too young for all of you to be giving up hope. I for one still believe that we will see Rev B this month. I imagine we'll see something like 2.0, DP 2.4 and DP 2.6 by mid-month, which will allow Apple to announce a 2.2, DP 2.6 and DP 3.0 at WWDC, although those Rev C machines won't ship until August or so.
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And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's \

What makes you believe that Apple is sitting on some new machine and refuses to sell it?

I have seen no tangible proof by anyone that IBM is even making chips greater than 2.0 GHz. The 90nm chips are only starting production and are being delivered to Apple shortly (see the 6-8 week delay on xServes). IBM's own PowerPC 970 servers top out at 1.6 GHz. The only proof of something faster than 2.0GHz is intelligently deducing that you will get an automatic boost in capability by going to 90nm. While true, has IBM done it?

I have seen nothing to indicate they have broken 2.0 GHz in a PRODUCTION chip. Does anyone actually have tangible proof other than just speculating that a 2.6GHz chip is the current top-end?

Apple may very well want to put out new machines but doesn't have a stable source of processors yet.
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If you put it that way, we have no tangible proof that IBM is able to fab 90nm 970fx's at any clockspeed. The blade, and the Xserve G5, are paper releases.
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If you put it that way, we have no tangible proof that IBM is able to fab 90nm 970fx's at any clockspeed. The blade, and the Xserve G5, are paper releases.

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I think the point atomicham is trying to make is that whilst Apple have announced 2ghx xServer on 90nm, they are the first 90nm chips. I must say it seems a little odd that the move to 90nm doesn't result in a speed increase over the top end 130nm process. Clearly we don't know if they are sandbagging orif that is the best they can do right now.

Either way, I think we all thought that the first G5 speed bump would have happened by now. SJ gave us a 12 month time frame for a 1ghz jump, it is difficult to believe that Apple is going to do it in one leap.
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Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.

Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.

Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
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Originally posted by emig647
Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.

Finally! Someone posts something on one of these boards you can take to the bank.A 2.2ghz top end doesnt make sense.If thats all they got Apple will wait till they can put out something worthy of an upgrade.
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Fact A: When Apple first announced the G5s it was confident it would be able to provide the highest end 2GHz chips in sufficient quantity to provide for the DP configuration. (It didn't have to rescind that announcement.)

Fact B: SJ was confident enough in IBM's processor fabrication technology to pre-announce 3GHz machines. (Such confidence is only engendered by specific, tangible evidence.)

Fact C: A processor shrink always produces higher speed chips than its larger predecessor.

Conclusion: Higher clocked G5s will definitely be coming to a Mac soon enough.

Are there any flaws in my premises or conclusion?
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Conclusion: Higher clocked G5s will definitely be coming to a Mac soon enough.

Are there any flaws in my premises or conclusion?

Well, no, with perhaps the exception of the "soon enough" part.
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Like it or not Apple and the powermac exist in a competitive market. they need to update their CPU speed to remain competitive. Having said this processing speed is not the only way for apple to remain competitive
Does ANYONE out ther have the ability to match the G5's CURRENT architecture and OS ? I think not. Apple knows this and knows that it is selling an intergrated solution. Even Apple innovates to beat the market not because we all think we all deserve an upgrade. I believe that apple will update when it suits them best say WWDC at best... Although like everything else on this post who know...
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