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Anyone use it and have opinions? I've been trying to download it but haven't been able to from their server. Anyone know another place to try?
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running it...seems fine...i like the downloader better...you still have to update the flash plugin (why it isn't standard i don't know)

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post #3 of 34
Try from one of the mirrors (I got it from the European server):

http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html
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post #4 of 34
Slower than Safari 1.2 overall at both rendering and message board performance. Much nicer interface than before and a much more robust set of preference options than Safari. No Safari book import unfortunately.

Ultimately I think this will be a very good browser though. Enough so that it will probably wipe out Camino even though Mike P. has picked up the development pace of late. There just won't be much sense in developing them both other than Camino maybe being a bit smaller file size or something.

They'll be based off the same core engine / code base, both share tabs and all the Mac-centric features, and the point of both will be to eliminate the bloat of the rest of the Mozilla suite.

In the end I think we'll be left with Mozilla, FireFox, Safari and OmniWeb. iCab and Opera will die slow, painful deaths and IE is already dead.
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Originally posted by Moogs
In the end I think we'll be left with Mozilla, FireFox, Safari and OmniWeb. iCab and Opera will die slow, painful deaths and IE is already dead.

FireFox is designed to eventually replace Mozilla. That is, when the Mozilla guys decide FireFox is ready as a primary browser, work on the Mozilla Suite will finish.

So it'll be FireFox, Safari and Omniweb... and maybe Konqueror, depending on how well KDE is ported to Mac OS X. Konqueror rocks... file browsing, samba browsing, media browsing, web browsing, all from the same program... and it WORKS!

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I like it a lot, it's better at playing flash that is for sure. I will say that a progress bar wouuld be nice, it's set up much like safari though which I like.

I wish delete would be back like in most browsers, and command-1/2/3/4/5...would go to the menu bar bookmarks.

It doesn't use a lot of CPU and seems to render all the pages I want to go to perfectly fine. Are there any other browsers that are better? I know omniweb is in beta, and I like that pretty much, but still needs work and I don't think flash stuff is as fast in there as firefox, although better then safari.

One more thing...I wish firefox would use native buttons and dropdown menus, these buttons manage to be just as ugly as WinIE buttons.
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Does it support the keychain the way Camino does?
I love this feature and won't leave Camino until a better browser comes along that supports the keychain.
post #8 of 34
i really like firefox's interface (and its icon ROCKS!), but on some pages, it's as fast as Safari, on others, it's 700% slower (approximately). don't know what triggers the slowdowns. flash also seems to run a bit more sluggishly than under other browsers.
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post #9 of 34
Well, I have to say, I love it.

To my eyes at least, it seems faster than safari (on my emac at least).

The interface seems much more full featured...it is my new dafault browser!!

post #10 of 34
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Originally posted by Moogs

In the end I think we'll be left with Mozilla, FireFox, Safari and OmniWeb. iCab and Opera will die slow, painful deaths and IE is already dead.

Shit, Opera is already dead, it only exists in the solid *nix and windows world. I mean 7 still isnt out for mac yet. Im wondering if it ever will come out for mac.

Firefox is really nice though, im still sticking to safari for now though.
post #11 of 34
FireFox 0.8 seems to be very noticeably less responsive than 0.7.1. Wah,
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post #12 of 34
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Shit, Opera is already dead, it only exists in the solid *nix and windows world. I mean 7 still isnt out for mac yet. Im wondering if it ever will come out for mac.

Firefox is really nice though, im still sticking to safari for now though.

no kidding, i tried out opera 6.03 tonight, just because i hadn't touched it in a while... just check out the massacre it does to macromedia.com (when all other browsers check out just fine). i mean, a little bit "off" is tolerable. but that's just whacked.
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post #13 of 34
I don't know why everyone is saying it's slower. It beats Safari 1.2 on Apple's own site by more than 50 percent I'd say nonscientifically. And rok hells yea the icon ROCKS! I'd like a bigger picture to make for a desktop background, does anyone know where I can get it? It must exist because it's partially in About... Firefox is a coolass name. Pinstripe is much better, getting closer to Aqua. It just needs to add some of the Mozilla Prefs it's still missing like Pipelining and Keep Alive connections.

My other pet peeve with every other browser now that I'm used to Safari is they waste space. Safari combines the Stop loading and Reload buttons, which are mutually exclusive. Also the status bar is in the Address bar, which is logical. Brilliant in fact. So far I would say FireFox has imitated Safari the best. OmniWeb is close but vaguely ugly in the bars, the separator is annoying and the buttons and their placement are too. Still Safari, OmniWeb, and FireFox and Camino are the best browsers for any platform.
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post #14 of 34
shoot, i only use it at work on my pc as i dislike IE...never thought to use it on my iMac at home...sticking with safari at home cuz i is a sheep i guess


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post #15 of 34
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Originally posted by Aquatic
I don't know why everyone is saying it's slower. It beats Safari 1.2 on Apple's own site by more than 50 percent I'd say nonscientifically.

hmmm, I'm not seeing that kind of perf. \
I did notice that FireFox seems to render images progressively, while Safari waits to draw the entire image at once. perhaps this feeds the perception of faster loading?
post #16 of 34
Firefox has some disadvantages vs. Safari:

- No quick and easy ad-blocking like PithHelmet (can be done by altering hosts file though)
- Can't figure out how to have links in other applications open in a new tab in the current window. Right now the one and only option is to have them open in a new window.
- No spell checking as you type (this is a biggie).
- No close box in the tab itself - there is a close box over on the right side of the tab bar.
ADDED: Bad shortcut to switch tabs. In Safari, it's an easy cmd-shft-arrow to switch tabs left or right, but in Firefox it's the very difficult to reach ctrl-tab and ctrl-shft-tab. I kinda wish you could easily customize keystrokes like that, because although SOME standards are in place (command-Q, command-P, etc), others like tabs are not really established. Safari's commands are much more intuitive and easy to reach than Firefox's.

Here's what I do like:

- Seems as fast or faster.
- Text entry is way better than Safari 1.2 (although text entry in previous versions of Safari has always been fine).
- Dialog box confirmation if you want to close a window that has more than one tab open.
- Tab bar is handled much better. In Safari, if you have the tab bar hidden when you only have one tab open, the window will change size when you close the second to last tab. If it fills the height of the screen with two tabs open, close one tab and the bottom will move up. Now, that doesn't make much sense, does it? The entire purpose of hiding the tab bar when only one tab is open is to save space and give you more room. Firefox does this properly. It's not a big deal, you can just have the tab bar always showing in Safari - it just takes some time to describe the problem.

I'm going to try using Firefox for a while as my default browser. Hopefully they can pick a name and STICK WITH IT. At least they took "Mozilla" out of the name and gave it an awesome-looking icon.
post #17 of 34
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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
- No quick and easy ad-blocking like PithHelmet (can be done by altering hosts file though)

I take it you've never seen the famous AdBlock extension? It works wonders.
post #18 of 34
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I take it you've never seen the famous AdBlock extension? It works wonders.

Hey thanks! Downloaded, works great!
post #19 of 34
I'm loving this. The only problem (really, honestly, the only one) is that middle-clicking doesn't open a window in a new tab (actually, it doesn't do anything at all.) It renders everything Mozilla does (ie virtually everything), is very fast, and I like the look, kind of how Safari should have been if Apple hadn't had that brushed metal fetish.

(Edit - before I forget: If you used the older version, go into ~/Library and rename Phoenix to Phoenix.old before running the app, when I didn't it came up but didn't work properly - scrollbars were missing, Cmd-T didn't work, and more. You can reimport your bookmarks by bringing up the Manage Bookmarks selector, clicking Import, and going to ~/Library/Phoenix/profiles/??????/??????/bookmarks.html)

Compared to the other browsers: Mozilla looks uglier and is much slower and eats up memory. Safari also looks fractionally uglier (unless I go in and edit the .nib so it uses the non-brushed look) and doesn't render everything I want.

Chimera's old and has problems under Panther, the last official release of Camino crashes a lot, and the Camino nightlies seem to have a lot of performance issues and has problems under Panther too. (The problems both have under Panther is a screen drawing bug where you get white patches that suddenly appear over the page you're looking at. The Camino developers are pinning this one on Apple, I don't know enough to either contradict or confirm that explanation.) From a web development standpoint, Firefox has that Javascript console and DOM browser from Mozilla, both of which have proven to be life savers for me in the past, and neither feature has made it to Chimera/Camino.

IE I'm not even going to comment on.

If they can fix that middle button issue (which seems trivial), I'll probably swear off Chimera/Camino for good.

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post #20 of 34
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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Firefox has some disadvantages vs. Safari:

- No quick and easy ad-blocking like PithHelmet (can be done by altering hosts file though)


While it's not exactly what you want, there is a per-site image-blocking feature. Most ads come from a handful of servers. All you need to do is right-click on them and select "Block images from ..." (where ... is "ad.doubleclick.net", etc.) Unfortunately it doesn't work for Flash animations which are, to my eyes, the worst offenders - animated .gifs are bad enough, but Flash... yealch.

While there's a bug registered with Bugzilla to allow blocking of Flash animations in the same way,

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94035

If you register with Bugzilla, you can "vote" for it, though it's already one of the most popular "bugs" on the site and nothing's been done with it for years.


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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
I'm going to try using Firefox for a while as my default browser. Hopefully they can pick a name and STICK WITH IT. At least they took "Mozilla" out of the name and gave it an awesome-looking icon. [/B]

There should be no problems with the current name. For "Firebird", they chose the name of an existing open source project and, after being told that a project already existed decided to seek legal advice rather than do the right thing. The lawyer said there was nothing technically illegal about calling it the same thing, so in a fit of "I know my rights, get over it, that's just too bad" obnoxiousism (to coin a word) they adopted the name.

Bizarre, very obnoxious, and I'm relieved they finally came to their senses over the issue.
post #21 of 34
I just find it funny that it has gone from Phoenix to Firebird to Firefox, and at the same time, Chimaera turned into Camino. I mean, seriously, THREE already-taken names? You'd think they would eventually learn. I hope by now they have.

By the way, the Adblock plugin that Brad told me about works fine, just as easy as PithHelmet. Now I can use it to block those stupid smokey smileys that Nebagakid always puts everywhere
post #22 of 34
I think that as a standalone browser, firefox kicks ass, but I am having problems installing extensions - crashes every time! So my customized browsing experience is lacking for the last 24 hours.
post #23 of 34
Trying it from work now on Windows. Boooooo I know! Will try on Apple when I get home.

So far, it's the fastest browser on Windows. Being derived from Mozilla, you would think the speed would be the same, but it's faster.

I guess when you strip away everything but the browser, you realize some speed.
post #24 of 34
I'm just waiting for the version that will allow me to use my Russian thought-control helmet. Oh, and will this fire high-speed air-to-air missiles backwards?
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By the way, the Adblock plugin that Brad told me about works fine, just as easy as PithHelmet. Now I can use it to block those stupid smokey smileys that Nebagakid always puts everywhere

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post #26 of 34
Anyone else using Jaguar? When installing extensions Firefox crashes every time. Is this is the first Panther only 'Zilla?
post #27 of 34
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Anyone else using Jaguar? When installing extensions Firefox crashes every time. Is this is the first Panther only 'Zilla?

I'm having the same issue. However, the app does seem to get the extension installed properly, as it works once you relaunch the app. Just a minor bug, I'd say.
post #28 of 34
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
Anyone use it and have opinions? I've been trying to download it but haven't been able to from their server. Anyone know another place to try?

With Firefox you can actually read station letters in the station column on TV Guide listings. That's not possible with any other browser, including Safari, in my experience.
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Originally posted by fantastic happy dinner man
With Firefox you can actually read station letters in the station column on TV Guide listings. That's not possible with any other browser, including Safari, in my experience.

Firefox is good, but it is no better than the latest Mozilla. For the TV Guide site, the best display is courtesy iCab with Internet Explorer a close second. Gecko-based Camino, Mozilla, and Firefox are tied for third. WebCore-based Safari and OmniWeb are tied for sixth. Opera comes in dead last. The varying qualities of the displays rendered by these browsers is likely not so much a reflection of the quality of each browser as it is a consequence of webmasters targeting particular browsers rather than HTML standards.
post #30 of 34
Trying firefox now. How do I kill flash ads? They suck.
post #31 of 34
Go to the preferences, extentions, then click the link to get new extensions. You can download one called AdBlock that is really good at blocking ads. Either right-click on an ad you want to block, or just click a button in the lower left corner, and you'll be able to add filters that include wild cards. It works awesome for me - I can block *tribalfusion* and *doubleclick* and the wild cards make sure that nothing containing either of those words gets through. If you see an ad, just right-click it and you should be able to block it. If it's one of those flash ads that doesn't give you the normal contextual menu, use the link in the corner to block it.
post #32 of 34
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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Go to the preferences, extentions, then click the link to get new extensions. You can download one called AdBlock that is really good at blocking ads. Either right-click on an ad you want to block, or just click a button in the lower left corner, and you'll be able to add filters that include wild cards. It works awesome for me - I can block *tribalfusion* and *doubleclick* and the wild cards make sure that nothing containing either of those words gets through. If you see an ad, just right-click it and you should be able to block it. If it's one of those flash ads that doesn't give you the normal contextual menu, use the link in the corner to block it.

Thanks. It works great. But how do I UNblock something? I accidently blocked the AppleInsider graphic at the top of the page. Any ideas?
post #33 of 34
I've been using firefox for a couple hours and it's definitely faster than Safari in many areas. The Adblock extension rocks, too. Too bad it STILL looks like complete ass. I wish it looked like Safari (text and widget rendering, etc) but acted like Firefox. That would be the best of all worlds. It even renders a lot of CSS right that Safari doesn't (custom widgets, input field coloring - maybe that yellow text field on focus CSS wasn't such a good idea for my site.... ).

It's nice to see some progress on the browser front.
post #34 of 34
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Originally posted by torifile
Thanks. It works great. But how do I UNblock something? I accidently blocked the AppleInsider graphic at the top of the page. Any ideas?

I had some trouble with this too. Here's how you do it:

Tools menu -> Adblock -> Preferences -> Right click on the filter you want to delete and select delete.

Unfortunately, it's fairly un-Mac-like in that you can't delete it without right clicking or control clicking. But it works.
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