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It is beneficial because things are not ready (or have not been tested enough) create massive problems for Apple and every other company. Throwing things out there because there is demand has to be weighed against the possibility of putting out an item that has a major issue after prolonged use (ibook logic board, PB 5300, TiBook white spots, G4 noise and G5 power supply/heat problems, powerbook case warpage) And those problems just listed were probably things that AAPL was willing to take the risk on to deliver things... none of them were major failures. Recalls and after-sale fixes, not to mention class action suits, really screw the margin on a machine. Dell can fudge. Apple can't.

It is certainly not beneficial to the consumer, because we have to wait. But I would rather wait an extra month or two, rather than have to haul my Mac in for service because something slipped by.

To put it simply... You're right.

 

 

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post #122 of 231
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Then why would anyone ever buy anything? There is always going to be a faster machine coming down the pipeline.

Plenty of people don't ever visit this forum and have no idea that new machines are on their way

Seems like these two contradict. Do buyers know or not?

Check my reply to BRussel on page 1 of this thread. PowerMac sales always slow at the end of a cycle... its simple logic. \
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post #123 of 231
Trust me emig, I am right there with you. I will be on the phone the day of release. The problem (and maybe blessing) is that we rarely know why Apple does not release products when expected. It could be spacing products for max effect, and that well, just sucks. It might be for the testing purposes I stated earlier. It may be waiting for shippable supplies of machines or processors. It could be clearing current stock to maintain margins on current models. It could be because Steve cut himself shaving, got irritated, and thought "screw 'em, we can milk the original G5 for another six weeks."

We just don't know. If it is "artifical" like spacing for drama or some such nonsense, then that is AAPL just being shyttie, IMHO.

If it is "legit" like supply issues, or testing, or whatever, then OK. I will wait until the time is right.

(sorry for the double post)
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post #124 of 231
If new models (up to 2.5GHz) are announced/released late March or early April, how will they sell? Most Mac-enthusiasts know that 3Ghz will come late summer. And during summer-holiday you go out in the sun and care little about the IT-world. So the wait from april to release of the 3GHz-beast doesn't seem that long...
post #125 of 231
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If new models (up to 2.5GHz) are announced/released late March or early April, how will they sell? Most Mac-enthusiasts know that 3Ghz will come late summer. And during summer-holiday you go out in the sun and care little about the IT-world. So the wait from april to release of the 3GHz-beast doesn't seem that long...

no need to wait - imho the dual g5 3ghz comes in march or early april, g5 PB at wwdc, and new imacs in gay-pari (apple expo in paris)
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post #126 of 231
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no need to wait - imho the dual g5 3ghz comes in march or early april, g5 PB at wwdc, and new imacs in gay-pari (apple expo in paris)

Also, if 2.5's do come out in march/april... then you can count on the dual 3ghz not coming out until at LEAST october. Apple isn't going to update that line that quick.

 

 

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post #127 of 231
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Also, if 2.5's do come out in march/april... then you can count on the dual 3ghz not coming out until at LEAST october. Apple isn't going to update that line that quick.

Steve Jobs gave his word... Still, there is a difference between announcing and actually start shipping. I'd rather have my PM in April/May than October/November. July/August however doesn't seem that far away...
post #128 of 231
depends on what you're waiting for:
-a new powermac you don't really need
-a new powermac you desperately needed for 2 years already or
-your girlfriend to return from a one year stay in France...
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post #129 of 231
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-your girlfriend to return from a one year stay in France...

Get your point. Waiting for her to come back from at two months stay in Tibet felt like a year...

The PM will really not be needed before August, then again October will be to late. It'll be used extensively for Matlab/Simulink and ArchiCAD. Some simulations can take up to a day on my (2,6 year old) iBook/500, so I'm looking forward to getting something faster
post #130 of 231
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Some simulations can take up to a day on my (2,6 year old) iBook/500, so I'm looking forward to getting something faster

<flips through papers>

Yea, sls, you can get in that line right over there, the "NEED" a G5 line...
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-your girlfriend to return from a one year stay in France...

Ergh. The creepy thing about you popping out that one is that's exactly where the lady I am currently seeing is headed and it currently looks as if she'll be heading there for 8 months to a year. To make matters worse my year is so full I won't be able to visit until March 2005 or later. I therefore think I will be consoling myself with the biggest fastest computer I can find
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post #132 of 231
with regards to a rev b g5 not selling well, its important to realize that while 3Ghz might ANNOUNCED not too long after a rev b comes out, the SHIPPING is a different story. anyone that needs a g5 to do work during the summer/pretty much up until september or october will need this rev b. there are tons of people like me that would have bought a few months ago if it werent for a new rev on the way.
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PowerMac updates will be announced on March 2nd.
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PowerMac updates will be announced on March 2nd.


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post #135 of 231
Dont do this man, lies suck...so do jokes at pathetic people's expense.\
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post #136 of 231
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PowerMac updates will be announced on March 2nd.

You forgot the PowerBook G5 and iMac G5... they'll be released on tuesday as well...

Not good PR to fill up a flagship apple store with old power macs, but hey.. I'm not here to judge...
post #137 of 231
notice how the new store had minimal PowerMacs, I could only count two myself.
post #138 of 231
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notice how the new store had minimal PowerMacs, I could only count two myself.

Why not just open the store with the new ones then, instead of wait a meaningless 3 days to update and remove those (2) PowerMacs?

niloc, what do you actually know and why do you say it in such a tone? Explain yourself young man.
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post #139 of 231
more pics from the SF store opening: http://www.osxfaq.com/apple_store_sf/index2.ws
notice the PM G5s and the banner, nothing new...
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Believe what you will.

Should I believe you? Are you very positive about this prediction?
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post #142 of 231
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Why not just open the store with the new ones then, instead of wait a meaningless 3 days to update and remove those (2) PowerMacs?

Because the Mayor couldn't reschedule? Face it, product annnoucements have little to do with Apple's retail store openings. Those are determined by contractor delays and building schedules.
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post #143 of 231
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more pics from the SF store opening: http://www.osxfaq.com/apple_store_sf/index2.ws
notice the PM G5s and the banner, nothing new...

I have no idea whether niloc gets his info from a good source or his arse but are you seriosly suggesting that the presence of G5 floor models in the new store precludes new G5 products on Tuesday? I mean,come on,they had to put something out there...
post #144 of 231
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Because the Mayor couldn't reschedule? Face it, product annnoucements have little to do with Apple's retail store openings. Those are determined by contractor delays and building schedules.

I disagree, look at the iPod mini or most of Apple's products from their introduction to their shipping times. It has everything to do with a launching platform, though Apple has said it is trying to get away from big expo announcements, I havent seen that yet.
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post #145 of 231
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I have no idea whether niloc gets his info from a good source or his arse but are you seriosly suggesting that the presence of G5 floor models in the new store precludes new G5 products on Tuesday? I mean,come on,they had to put something out there...

If they have rev. bs ready why not use the PR around the opening to announce them? Who'll notice, us excluded, a speedbump-release tomorrow, tuesday? Just wond'ring aloud...
post #146 of 231
It is interesting to see the latest sales info. It does look like the PowerMac G5 have tanked as far as sales go. Thats pretty bad for technology only 8 months old.

My impression is that Apple has no choice but to make significant improvements to the G5 as soon as possible. That means 3GHz in the next release and at a much more reasonable price point. The market is learning pretty fast just what the G5 is when the hype is removed.

What the G5 is, is an expensive computer offering average performance. Apple needs 3GHz to be able to claim to be a market leader and they need this at a price point that does not seem absurd next to high end PC hardware. The 3GHz is not for marketing purposes, it is the level at which the 970 would be able to soundly beat the competition in just about any rational means of measure. 2.5Ghz simply won't give Apple that capability. Even if said computer actually did out perform the competition there still is the issue of price which is currently out of line with the market.

So while you may worry about Rev B, rev A already has issues. If those issues are not addressed you will be lucky to see 50000 in unit sales per quarter. I'm not usre anymore what Apples goals are with respect to the desktop line. It appears that they will effectively market themselves out of existance in a couple of years. Obscene profits on hardware will not assure the survival of the company, if Apples marke tshare drops to low you will see a mass movement away from the platform. It will be effectively killed off as fast as the Amiga.

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with regards to a rev b g5 not selling well, its important to realize that while 3Ghz might ANNOUNCED not too long after a rev b comes out, the SHIPPING is a different story. anyone that needs a g5 to do work during the summer/pretty much up until september or october will need this rev b. there are tons of people like me that would have bought a few months ago if it werent for a new rev on the way.
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It is interesting to see the latest sales info. It does look like the PowerMac G5 have tanked as far as sales go. Thats pretty bad for technology only 8 months old.

I don't find that interesting at all. Powermac product refreshes should be every 6-8 months at which point sales will inevitably fall all. This is normal

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My impression is that Apple has no choice but to make significant improvements to the G5 as soon as possible. That means 3GHz in the next release and at a much more reasonable price point.

You won't see 3Ghz. Powermac G5's maxing out at Dual 2.6Ghz would be just fine for $2999. I'm not seeing anything THAT hot out right now in X86. The next thing that really needs to happen(WWDC) is a new Xcode(2.0) with more optimizations in GCC. The G5s are fast machines but we're still not seeing all the speed we can. IBMs XLC compiler and further GCC tweaks are in order.

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I'm not usre anymore what Apples goals are with respect to the desktop line. It appears that they will effectively market themselves out of existance in a couple of years. Obscene profits on hardware will not assure the survival of the company,

I don't know where your hyperbole is coming from with regards to "obscene" profits. Dell's Precision P4(single of course) workstation start out at $2799. Dave you're just beating the "Apple is too expensive" Dead Horse over and over again.


A Dual 2.5Ghz 970FX system will sell oodles for the next revision. Speed is always a necessity. X86 is trudging along slowly but there is nowhere near the excitement they had a year ago with PC fanboys where screaming that Intel would be 4+ gigahertz by now. As always Apple is hear with decent machines and X86 is selling dreams.
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post #148 of 231
New news on the AI homepage...

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=38976

They have it updates coming end of March/April because of ATI slowdowns on the 9800XT (256MB).

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It appears that they will effectively market themselves out of existance in a couple of years. Obscene profits on hardware will not assure the survival of the company, if Apples marke tshare drops to low you will see a mass movement away from the platform. It will be effectively killed off as fast as the Amiga.

You can't be serious? Apple has absolutely NO debt, They are making tons of money. Lets compare the g5 to your PeeCee's...

1ghz Bus, PCI-X, FireWire2, HyperThreading, Dual Procs, Advanced Cooling, 8 maximum Ram... And an OS that is 100 times better then XP.

Now find a pc that has all those features for a price WAY cheaper than that. I would like you to find a peecee with all of those features period.

Apple isn't going any where. They just need to update their PowerMac line. People get sick of seeing the same computer for 8 months. Of course sales are going to dwindle off without any updates. Thats the name of the game for all computer manufactures.

 

 

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post #150 of 231
Yeah, I'm on board for April releases because I just dont see Apple further slowing sales of their current lineup, just before the quarter's end, by releasing new models in the beginning of the third and final month of Q1. Looks like early Q2 releases.
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post #151 of 231
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It is interesting to see the latest sales info. It does look like the PowerMac G5 have tanked as far as sales go. Thats pretty bad for technology only 8 months old.

My impression is that Apple has no choice but to make significant improvements to the G5 as soon as possible. That means 3GHz in the next release and at a much more reasonable price point. The market is learning pretty fast just what the G5 is when the hype is removed.

What the G5 is, is an expensive computer offering average performance. Apple needs 3GHz to be able to claim to be a market leader and they need this at a price point that does not seem absurd next to high end PC hardware. The 3GHz is not for marketing purposes, it is the level at which the 970 would be able to soundly beat the competition in just about any rational means of measure. 2.5Ghz simply won't give Apple that capability. Even if said computer actually did out perform the competition there still is the issue of price which is currently out of line with the market.

So while you may worry about Rev B, rev A already has issues. If those issues are not addressed you will be lucky to see 50000 in unit sales per quarter. I'm not usre anymore what Apples goals are with respect to the desktop line. It appears that they will effectively market themselves out of existance in a couple of years. Obscene profits on hardware will not assure the survival of the company, if Apples marke tshare drops to low you will see a mass movement away from the platform. It will be effectively killed off as fast as the Amiga.

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Dave - did you get out of the wrong side of bed or what?! Apple is okay with the PM G5s - it's a winner! Obviously there is something going on right now that has slowed the Rev B release - the video cards, SOC, 970FX - whatever - hasn't showed up yet. The real questions are more in the iMac area - when will the lower price/high margin consumer Mac's start coming? It's hard to see market share increase without it. I believe Apple's market share is okay, but it's at a risky level. A bomb or two, or another motorolla-type few years, could mean disaster. I'm hopeful that Apple is poised to have an elegant product line running the gambit from $700 - $3000, with a high performance to extreme performance range. The whole product line should be turned over in the next year. Relax! Because Apple & IBM are not!
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post #152 of 231
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I'm a professional illustrator and I'm in the market for a professional machine (obviously a dual g5). The reason why I'm STILL in the market is because of the rev b's on the horizon. Just posting here defeats your idea that "NO creative person" looks at the rumor sites. I need the machine asap, but I dont want to drop the cash on a machine that will be replaced by something more powerful for the same price in another month or two. I just want to get as much for my money as I can. That may be foolish to think that way considering i could be using it now, but hey, we creative people are CRAZY.

No kidding, every creative person I know is all mental about something.
post #153 of 231
re: New S.F. store not having many G5's indicating an update.

1) I don't think this would indicate anything in regards to releasing new G5's.

2) I was @ the S.F. store yesterday and they had quite a few G5's taking up a good % of the desktop display areas.

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post #154 of 231
the new AI report sums up delivery issues--go read it.
post #155 of 231
Wow.

We may go yet another month without new CPU's on both the pro and consumer lines.

I guess Apple is pretty confident with the ipod. \
post #156 of 231
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However, successive reports from independent sources have cited supplies of graphics cards as one of the possible culprits.

How ironic if true. It appears that Apple is now suffering from the same problem that every other Mac owner has run into when trying to upgrade their graphics card. I still have dreams of waking one day and finding that the ATI All-in-Wonder is now Mac compatible.... fat chance
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Let it Rain !!!

Apple is going to shell out a new PowerMac G5 revision today! Tuesday March 2nd.

Yeah Baby, Yeah !!!

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Let it Rain !!!

Apple is going to shell out a new PowerMac G5 revision today! Tuesday March 2nd.

Yeah Baby, Yeah !!!


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Back to the thread title.
March is an eventful month for Nvidia, ATI, Future Technology, and Gaming.

CeBIT is 18th - 24th of March

The Game Developers Conference is the 22nd - 26th of March.

Do you think Apple would show up at any of these with, IBM, and nVidia? I doubt it, but it's a good dream. This could be the triple threat. a 3GHz G5, and an nVidia NV40 based graphics card both the graphics GPU, and the Processors are Made by IBM?

Here are the assumed specs:

Summary of what we know (or think to know) about NV40 at the moment:

nVidia NV40

175 millions transistors, manufactured in 130nm by IBM

8x2 architecture, but 16 Z/Stencil-test per cycle

DirectX 9.0 architecture, supports shaders 3.0

Doubled in number compared to NV38 and more efficient pixel shaders

256 bit memory interface, supports DDR1, GDDR2, GDDR3

Internal interface is AGPx8

Exact clock-speeds: unknown; estimated 500-600 MHz core and 600-800 MHz memory

Improvements for anti-aliasing: (at least) one new mode, its sub-pixel-mask is still unknown though

Improvements for anisotropic filtering: unknown

Presentation: CeBIT or GDC, end of March

Market entry: end of April or beginning of May 2004

Official name: GeForce FX 6XXX

While first purchasable NV40 graphics cards can be expected around the end of April or the beginning of May.

Here is a link to the story I got this from. LINK

BTW. I'm going to use this post in 3 threads, because it's relevant in all of them.
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I'm not particularly keen on a next gen nVIdia card, really.
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