Originally posted by dmz
Nicely worded . . . especially the flattering parts
Let me say one thing that you will, of course, disagree with: I am not 'in rebellion against God' . . . I do not like the 'idea' of God that is held by most so called 'religious' folks . .. in fact I think that a human held idea of God is pretty much always allready inadequate . . . especially when there are throngs of people who define themselves in relationship to that idea
Don't get me wrong: I love the idea of devotion and commune with God . . better said G-d though, since in my understanding it is with the idea beyond our ideas that one strives to commune with . . .
As for being 'unsaved' . . . if you say so . . but a God that would extort
love through the fear of being or not being 'saved' is not worthy of receiving the love that would come from such extortion . . . note that that kind of 'Gd' is an idea of God and is not God (G-d) . . . of course you will dismiss that as so much anti-Christian thought . . . which it isn't . . . I merely understand the 'sacrifice' differently and I think that such an extorting God is a small human picture of divinity
A God worth loving doesn't need to threaten in order to get love . . . and that love should be for all of his creation, not some other realm alone, that is exclusive to those cowed, through extortion, into belittling him with selfish thanks for their little soul's being saved.Loving God for saving you is inherently selfish.
God's love comes from the magnitude of Being, and the gift of Being, and the gift of eventually, not being that is death . . . it is a paradox and a perplexity and is infinitely deeper than our conceptions
and BTW . . my "rantings" in this thread are obviously aimed at MelfGobson . . . I cannot stand any of his films,
I think that his notions of what constitute heroism, truth, beauty, and all that, are simplistic, warped and psychologically dangerous in subtle but very powerful ways . . .
. . . meaning that they will reverberate in the cultural unconsciouse in ways that tap into dark and ugly invisible forces in the group psyche
. . . he is a dangerous hateful man who dresses up his psychic scarrs as delectable and manipulative dramatics . . . and I thought that way before I ever heard of this 'Passion' movie . .
also by saying that this movie is by Christians for Christians . . . you sort of made my case as to whether it will make converts or not . . .
it is solipsism . . . talking in circles . . self-congratulation .
. . probably