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post #1 of 17
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<a href="http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-6342420-1304-9625806.html?tag=ld" target="_blank">Nomad Jukebox 3</a>

If only the iPod had realtime MP3 recording and FM...

*sigh*
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post #2 of 17
But when you consider that thing is the size of a CD player, and the iPod a deck of cards, I think the iPod is marvelous for its size.
post #3 of 17
I've seen those. They're pretty damn big, and there's really no good reason to have onboard MP3 encoding, when my PBG4 can do it at 6-7x. (also, where are you going to get the source material?)

FM? sorta nice.
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post #4 of 17
The iPod is the best reviewed MP3 player ever. What is should or shouldn't be is irrelevant. It does what it is supposed to do and does it superbly. The Nomad is clunky in size and slow to load songs. Of course, if you like to go ahead and buy one!
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post #5 of 17
MY friend has a nomad jukebox 20 gig ...he is getting a 10 gig iPod now...nuff said.
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post #6 of 17
[quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:
<strong>I've seen those. They're pretty damn big, and there's really no good reason to have onboard MP3 encoding, when my PBG4 can do it at 6-7x. (also, where are you going to get the source material?)

FM? sorta nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

where are you getting the source material?!

Anywhere. Radio, stereo, mic, anything. the iPod needs a line in. all they have to do is have a frewire- line in adapter

[quote]MY friend has a nomad jukebox 20 gig ...he is getting a 10 gig iPod now...nuff said.

[quote]MY friend has a nomad jukebox 20 gig ...he is getting a 10 gig iPod now...nuff said.

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he has an older rev 2 Jukebox. 3 adds a hell of a lot more and makes buying an iPod for the same price a lot more difficult decision.
post #7 of 17
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thanks for the backup applenut.... the Jukebox with USB only sucked...

but now it has Firewire AND USB, realtime mp3 or wav recording and a slightly better interface.

also, a remote with FM radio and Mic is "coming soon".

The advantage of the 'Pod used to be firewire, but now this player has FW, but also USB for use with older computers as well (great for transferring data).

People are saying "blah, blah, you don't need this, you don't need that". Well the truth is, I do a considerable amount of tape recording or external audio for multimedia projects, and would like to do more, especially digitally. You use realtime MP3 encoding to say record a lecture straight to MP3 (because a .wav file would be huge.) Also, I like to listen to my radio a lot at work, and being able to record some of my favorite broadcasts would be a really cool feature.

So don't tell me what I do and do not need.... If I didn't know better I'd think you worked at Radioshack..... next thing you'll be saying that I don't need AltiVec.

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post #8 of 17
if you need it, then get it....apparently 125,000 people didn't need a radio or mp3 encoding....

i think that that nomad jukebox 3 looks really good at a good price, but for most people, ipod does enough.....if this would have been out before the ipod came out, then i probably would have thought twice, but still have bought the ipod....

there are people who do need those extra features that the nomad has, but i'm not sure of the size of the market. i'm guessing there isn't a 125,000 person market for mp3 encoding....radio would be a nice feature, but it probably won't make or break too many people's decisions....who knows....this is only my guesses....

i'm guessing this summer or fall, there'll be a more comprehensive revision of the ipod, possibly adding some of the features in the nomad...only time will tell
post #9 of 17
Recording to a PowerMac is not hard. I record classical music from NHK here in Japan (exceptionally clear signal) at about 600MB per hour. I also record talk shows off AM radio (mono, 11k samples/sec) at about 100MB/hour. These are AIFF files. Recording AIFF files is a viable way to record lectures and such. If they are worth keeping the can be changed to MP3 later.

Recording with a microphone is not that easy unless you can get the microphone up close to the speaker. Otherwise you get a lot of echoes and other room noise. It is useful for a student to capture a lecture with a mic at their desk but probably not something you would give anyone.

I think it would be cool if iPod could record and had a radio tuner but it is not hurting sales much. I'll bet that if they had a built in mic and record function it would only sway a small percentage of sales.

Powerbooks can already record from the built-in mic. Raise your hands everyone who records meetings and such with this.
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post #10 of 17
I agree with ya Preston -
(although I think the topic title's a little bit inflammatory!).

Anyone who says "you can just record on your iBook!" is really missing the point... iPod is a great consumer device - I love mine - BUT, to better target professional musicians, this kind of functionality is a huge benefit. Currently the format of choice amongst a lot of musicians I know is minidisc, but space is limited (and you have cumbersome discs!).

People have been calling for recording functionality on the iPod since day one and it's about time iPod got a mic.

rr.
post #11 of 17
I'm just curious. preston or applenut, do either of you actually own an iPod? I'm not trying to bust anyone's chops here, I'm just saying that I had a couple of issues with the iPod, too, until I actually got one. The size & portability, batterylife, one-thumb navigation and iTunes sync are things I appreciate everyday. Conversely, things I thought I would regret, like no FM or voice recording, aren't even missed. The iPod's not perfect, but neither is the Nomad. But for my money, I'd go with the iPod.

Bottomline: what Apple put into it was just right and more than makes up for what they may (or may not) have left out.
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post #12 of 17
Apple's targeting consumers! not music professionals!

they'll add it eventually and will probably only win over a few thousand people....it's not a make or break deal for most people.....for most, it's icing on the cake.....it's not a feature that will get them another 125,000 sales, so they probably aren't working on that as hard as they're working on making other features or digital devices.....i hope they're working on an ipod for windows machines more because that would cause demand to jump again. that's the main untapped market they should focus on, not musicians who own a mac who want to record to their ipods.

they'll add it eventually....just wait
post #13 of 17
[quote] they'll add it eventually....just wait <hr></blockquote>

I'm going out on a limb here when I say that these forums aren't chock full of patient people!

rr.
post #14 of 17
An FM tuner in my iPod would be nice. And a record function attached to that. Listen to Car Talk whenever I want!
post #15 of 17
The music industry would throw the biggest fit in it's history if Apple put an FM tuner and a recorder feature in the iPod. (they are already foaming at the mouth over "Rip, Mix, Burn")

Of course, as far as I'm concerned, that's a great reason to do it. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #16 of 17
I would use a iPod when I am on the road with my bike. The perfect iPod would be with a FM radio plus a remote and not bigger than the current.

But other people would want a mic and line in and donĀ“t care if it was a little larger.

Other again want a screen and AVI decoder so they could watch ST on the train.

Other again would want a build in FM radio transmitter so they could use it with their car stereo.

Again others wants it to include Bluetooth and wireless headphones.

And finally there are those who would want it to be with orange and green disco lights, alcohol-meter and oral multilanguage translator.

What I am trying to say is all of the above with the exception of the last example is real wants here on the boards. Apple has to make a compromise and they made a perfect one with the current iPod (with the exception of the price)
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post #17 of 17
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A good compromise would be to issue these features in little "backpacks" that you could clip onto the top of your 'pod that used the firewire port (what else is there?)

But now this is sorta going into future hardware territory.

Pres
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