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Originally posted by bunge
How about you explain exactly what logic both Bill & Bush used. Your canned accusation doesn't ring true in my ears. It's a republican line repeated ad nauseam, and some people believe it.

Ok then hear it from the horses mouth:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html

Sound a little familiar?
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Ok then hear it from the horses mouth:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html

Sound a little familiar?

I thought he was just trying to deflect attention from the impeachment process. Or have conservatives changed their mind about making that argument these days?
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I thought he was just trying to deflect attention from the impeachment process. Or have conservatives changed their mind about making that argument these days?

Well they may have but I have not. I am not a Republican as I stated before.
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Ok then hear it from the horses mouth:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html

Sound a little familiar?

Boy is that flimsy. You really compare that to what Bush has done and why? I'm sorry but you're 100% biased.
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Well they may have but I have not. I am not a Republican as I stated before.

I didn't say you were a Republican.

I'm pointing out that when Clinton made that argument, lots and lots of people said that the timing was suspicious and that SH, presumably, wasn't that much of a threat. And now many people want to trot that same speech that they'd questioned so vigorously out again as a means of justifying Bush's action vis a vis Iraq. You can't have it both ways. Either Clinton was right and those who questioned him were wrong, or Clinton lied, in which case, Bush's claims are even more suspect.
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Originally posted by midwinter
I didn't say you were a Republican.

I'm pointing out that when Clinton made that argument, lots and lots of people said that the timing was suspicious and that SH, presumably, wasn't that much of a threat. And now many people want to trot that same speech that they'd questioned so vigorously out again as a means of justifying Bush's action vis a vis Iraq. You can't have it both ways. Either Clinton was right and those who questioned him were wrong, or Clinton lied, in which case, Bush's claims are even more suspect.

Oh yes you can. Who's to say that he was right and just chose that time to follow though. Nice added bonus that it was a diversion also.

Either way he lied also didn't he? At least according to your logic.
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Oh yes you can. Who's to say that he was right and just chose that time to follow though. Nice added bonus that it was a diversion also.

Either way he lied also didn't he?

Perhaps. As for lying: not about starting a war. Perhaps Bush started his war as a diversion from an otherwise disastrous domestic policy?
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I just want to recap this thread:

1. Bush is a bumbling idiot that can't even complete sentences correctly.

2. Despite being an idiot he had enough sense to appoint smarter people around him to make the decisions for him. Many think Chenney is actually governing.

3. These "Smarter" people led Bush down the path to war based on a neo-conservative ideology.

4. Opponents of the war predict Iraq's oil wells to be set ablaze, massive chemical weapons death, and total middle east upheaval.

5. Bush somehow convinced the American Public, the US congress, and the world community to go along with the march to war despite his fumbling and bumbling, not to mention total lack of evidence.

6. US wages war and wins.

7. It is now commonly accepted that the Iraq war was planned in Texas by bush and company long before he got into office.

8. Many now think that Iraq never really had WMD at and was just bluffing to maintain control. Neo-cons used war to gain control of oil.

9. All reasons given to go to war are overlooked in favor of WMD or lack thereof to prove deception of the world.

10. Bush knew about every piece of intel and knew what SH's true intentions were, he knew for a fact that there were no WMD's, planned an elaborate scheme to mislead the world, thus Bush and only Bush is solely responsible for lying.

Have I left anything out?
post #609 of 654
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I just want to recap this thread:

1. Bush is a bumbling idiot that can't even complete sentences correctly.

2. Despite being an idiot he had enough sense to appoint smarter people around him to make the decisions for him. Many think Chenney is actually governing.

3. These "Smarter" people led Bush down the path to war based on a neo-conservative ideology.

4. Opponents of the war predict Iraq's oil wells to be set ablaze, massive chemical weapons death, and total middle east upheaval.

5. Bush somehow convinced the American Public, the US congress, and the world community to go along with the march to war despite his fumbling and bumbling, not to mention total lack of evidence.

6. US wages war and wins.

7. It is now commonly accepted that the Iraq war was planned in Texas by bush and company long before he got into office.

8. Many now think that Iraq never really had WMD at and was just bluffing to maintain control. Neo-cons used war to gain control of oil.

9. All reasons given to go to war are overlooked in favor of WMD or lack thereof to prove deception of the world.

10. Bush knew about every piece of intel and knew what SH's true intentions were, he knew for a fact that there were no WMD's, planned an elaborate scheme to mislead the world, thus Bush and only Bush is solely responsible for lying.

Have I left anything out?

Yes. I'm glad you asked. You left out the part where Bush was elected in the first place only after many African-Americans were deliberately and often erroneously disqualified from voting in Florida in 2000 through a sweep of supposed felons. This was one among so many clear electoral abuses. Land of freedom, equality and democracy.
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post #610 of 654
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I just want to recap this thread:

Why?

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1. Bush is a bumbling idiot that can't even complete sentences correctly.

I don't know whether or not he's an idiot, but he is, like his father, not the most articulate human being the world has ever seen. I must admit, however, that his father's intelligence was never in question.

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2. Despite being an idiot he had enough sense to appoint smarter people around him to make the decisions for him. Many think Chenney is actually governing.

You assume that he runs the show. Try this scenario on for size: sometime near the end of Clinton's first term, the RNC decides to begin grooming Bush to run for president. Clinton is most likely going to be unbeatable in '96, and so they wheel out poor Bob Dole to take the hit. The RNC hands Bush their star players: Rove and Cheney. His presidency is largely made up of people from his father's administration, and most of them with a promotion. Condi Rice, I believe, is the only new player in a high profile position (but hey, she had an oil tanker named after her).

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3. These "Smarter" people led Bush down the path to war based on a neo-conservative ideology.

I don't know that they led him. I'd argue that he went willingly. But yes. This is a neo-con administration: all foreign policy, all the time. No real domestic policy beyond the mantra of tax cuts.

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4. Opponents of the war predict Iraq's oil wells to be set ablaze, massive chemical weapons death, and total middle east upheaval.

The last one, yes, which I should point out still waits to be seen. The others? I don't know. I don't remember anyone claiming that there would be massive deaths from chemical weapons. Besides, even the military (as Rummy pointed out today to Wolf Blitzer) was expecting SH to use chemical weapons.

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5. Bush somehow convinced the American Public, the US congress, and the world community to go along with the march to war despite his fumbling and bumbling, not to mention total lack of evidence.

"Somehow." There's a Tom Tomorrow cartoon that tracks the headlines during the run-up to war. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll post a link when I do. Nevertheless. You could make the argument that he only barely convinced the public, did NOT convince the rest of the world, and lied to congress to get their support.

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6. US wages war and wins.

Was that ever in question? Seriously. We might have haggled over what kind of conflict it was going to be (urban vs desert) or how long it might take, but did anyone seriously think that we would LOSE?

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7. It is now commonly accepted that the Iraq war was planned in Texas by bush and company long before he got into office.

Invading Iraq, removing SH, and installing a (pro-American) democracy is one of the central obsessions of neo-conservatives, PNAC and the AEI.

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8. Many now think that Iraq never really had WMD at and was just bluffing to maintain control. Neo-cons used war to gain control of oil.

The oil is a perk. The idea is that a democratic Iraq will have a domino effect on the rest of the middle east.

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9. All reasons given to go to war are overlooked in favor of WMD or lack thereof to prove deception of the world.

Passive voice there suggests that you're attacking someone but don't want to say who. The argument, again, is that we were fed a line of bull about SH's weapons and their capacities. There was a pretty systematic logic to it, and I remember hearing pundits comment on how the admin was trying out new lines of argument when the polls didn't tell them what they wanted. The up-shot (and this is where Rove and Cheney are brilliant political strategists) is that this rolling deployment of arguments can be claimed to have been the plan all along.

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10. Bush knew about every piece of intel and knew what SH's true intentions were, he knew for a fact that there were no WMD's, planned an elaborate scheme to mislead the world, thus Bush and only Bush is solely responsible for lying.

No. This is not the argument at all. The argument is that the admin, because it has an ideological obsession with Iraq, was willing to exaggerate the intel it did have if it meant they could justify invading.

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Have I left anything out?

Yes. Lots. Straw men aren't your cup of tea, I see.
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post #611 of 654
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I just want to recap this thread:

1. Bush is a bumbling idiot that can't even complete sentences correctly.



He certainly can't complete sentences. There are books of his 'wisdom.'

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2. Despite being an idiot he had enough sense to appoint smarter people around him to make the decisions for him. Many think Chenney is actually governing.



Well, the Republicans / daddy would have put the cabinet together for him.

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3. These "Smarter" people led Bush down the path to war based on a neo-conservative ideology.



Yes. Absolutely.

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4. Opponents of the war predict Iraq's oil wells to be set ablaze, massive chemical weapons death, and total middle east upheaval.



I got one thing wrong; I thought that Baghdad would be a much bloodier battle then it was. The rest I was absolutely right. The right-wingers on this board's response was "Lalalalalalalallalanotlistening."

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5. Bush somehow convinced the American Public, the US congress, and the world community to go along with the march to war despite his fumbling and bumbling, not to mention total lack of evidence.



Glad to point out that the world community was never convinced. Before you spout the "coalition of the willing" crap, can I point out that 90% of Spain thought it was stupid? We did not want this war.

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6. US wages war and wins.



It was a toss-up, I'll give you that. What with Iraq not having a navy or a working air-force or any radar or any modern weapons or a command structure or cruise missiles or night-vision goggles or satellites or anything.

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7. It is now commonly accepted that the Iraq war was planned in Texas by bush and company long before he got into office.



Yes. Well, Washington. They published essays about it. They had a practical battle-plan for it before 9/11.

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8. Many now think that Iraq never really had WMD at and was just bluffing to maintain control. Neo-cons used war to gain control of oil.



Yep. I thought they may have had WMD, I now think they didn't. The neo-cons used war because oil is of fundamental strategic importance to US interests and this was supposed to increase stability of the middle east. Iraq has the world's second-largest reserves of oil and a leader who hated the US who was profoundly unstable.

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9. All reasons given to go to war are overlooked in favor of WMD or lack thereof to prove deception of the world.



We were told this war was about WMD. We were told this was about terrorism.

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10. Bush knew about every piece of intel and knew what SH's true intentions were, he knew for a fact that there were no WMD's, planned an elaborate scheme to mislead the world, thus Bush and only Bush is solely responsible for lying.



Bush didn't even know who ran India or Pakistan until someone put it in a script for him (not conjecture, documentary fact). Bush makes decisions based on gut feeling (that's why many like him). The entire administration suffered from terrifying obsessional group-think based on a pre-formed ideology and plan. Bush is actually a numb-nut; Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheyne and that sick bastard Rumsfeld are much more clever then him and are the real villains.
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By the time we attacked:

Saddam was little more than a scary looking person.

Wow. Oh right, because "the inspections worked". Saddam was harmless.
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Originally posted by bunge
Boy is that flimsy. You really compare that to what Bush has done and why? I'm sorry but you're 100% biased.

You're not listening. The REASONING is the same. Had Bush only bombed, you'd still be up in arms. You're talking about flimsy? Please.
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post #614 of 654
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Originally posted by midwinter
I didn't say you were a Republican.

I'm pointing out that when Clinton made that argument, lots and lots of people said that the timing was suspicious and that SH, presumably, wasn't that much of a threat. And now many people want to trot that same speech that they'd questioned so vigorously out again as a means of justifying Bush's action vis a vis Iraq. You can't have it both ways. Either Clinton was right and those who questioned him were wrong, or Clinton lied, in which case, Bush's claims are even more suspect.

Take your own advice. You can't have it both ways. It is a little suspicious that Clinton bombed during impeachment.....but that's where it stops: Suspicion.
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post #615 of 654
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Originally posted by midwinter
Perhaps. As for lying: not about starting a war. Perhaps Bush started his war as a diversion from an otherwise disastrous domestic policy?

Disasterous? Economy no longer in recession. Huge new federal entitlement program that liberals should love. Two major tax decreases. Disaster? No.
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Yes. I'm glad you asked. You left out the part where Bush was elected in the first place only after many African-Americans were deliberately and often erroneously disqualified from voting in Florida in 2000 through a sweep of supposed felons. This was one among so many clear electoral abuses. Land of freedom, equality and democracy.

And you left out the part where 10,000 Republicans in the panhandle were disenfranchised when they hear their vote wouldn't count. You left out the 2,000,000 disenfranchised Republicans in other states with polls still open when FL was called. Gore was never the winner in Florida, not by a single vote.
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post #617 of 654
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You're not listening. The REASONING is the same. Had Bush only bombed, you'd still be up in arms. You're talking about flimsy? Please.

Bush did bomb, in like day one of his administration. He was 'sending a message' and I didn't run here and freak out.

So you're wrong. Try again.
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And you left out the part where 10,000 Republicans in the panhandle were disenfranchised when they hear their vote wouldn't count. You left out the 2,000,000 disenfranchised Republicans in other states with polls still open when FL was called. Gore was never the winner in Florida, not by a single vote.

None of the 'problems' you cite were calculated specifically to target Republicans, nor were they calculated to disenfranchise a specific racial group. They were systemic errors - not attempts to subvert the system - and the errors affected both Democrats and Republicans. Meanwhile, the problems' I was talking about were exactly calculated to deprive Democrats from victory, and to disenfranchise African Americans. In other words, the problems that I was talking about were out-and-out electoral fraud and racism. Do you not have a problem with that? I do I still find it hard to let it go. The racism part is largely ignored by the white media, but it is still very much on the minds of African Americans. There was far more to what happened in Florida than hanging chads.

And yes, if you take away the clear electoral abuses, Gore won Florida by a considerable margin.
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Ok then, what do you call all the dems that approved the war, How about clinton when he used the exact same logic to bomb Iraq. Come on it is the same thing on a smaller scale.

If you are arguing that this war was started out of fear, then all of the democratic congressmen that went along with it have blood on their hands also according to you.


Yes Bush created that fear by trying to tell them that SH had WOMD that he'd be firing at us soon ( no he didn't acctaually say that but that was the inference ). Bush ramrodded this through congress and the UN because well you kind of want to believe the president's telling the truth. I'll bet they're sorry now.
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Wow. Oh right, because "the inspections worked". Saddam was harmless.


WHERE'S THE WOMD?
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Disasterous? Economy no longer in recession. Huge new federal entitlement program that liberals should love. Two major tax decreases. Disaster? No.

WHERE'S THE JOBS?
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And you left out the part where 10,000 Republicans in the panhandle were disenfranchised when they hear their vote wouldn't count. You left out the 2,000,000 disenfranchised Republicans in other states with polls still open when FL was called. Gore was never the winner in Florida, not by a single vote.

But he did win the popular vote by a considerable margin so what does it matter ( I'm just using your logic )?
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Yes Bush created that fear by trying to tell them that SH had WOMD that he'd be firing at us soon ( no he didn't acctaually say that but that was the inference ). Bush ramrodded this through congress and the UN because well you kind of want to believe the president's telling the truth. I'll bet they're sorry now.

How did this fumbling bumbling idiot get anything through congress? Aren't those guys much smarter than him? I mean, they are all pointing out what an idiot he is. How did they fall for all that?
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How did this fumbling bumbling idiot get anything through congress? Aren't those guys much smarter than him? I mean, they are all pointing out what an idiot he is. How did they fall for all that?

Sigh.

Ok once again for those of you with short memory retention..................

Bush made them fearful that Saddam would attack us with his nonexistent WOMD. Like I said you kind of want to believe the president is telling the truth. Remember what he told the UN? That we would attack alone if necessary. He was so sure of his intel.

It's called giving him the benifit of a doubt.

There were members of government that didn't buy it for two seconds.
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Sigh.

Ok once again for those of you with short memory retention..................

Bush made them fearful that Saddam would attack us with his nonexistent WOMD. Like I said you kind of want to believe the president is telling the truth. Remember what he told the UN? That we would attack alone if necessary. He was so sure of his intel.

It's called giving him the benifit of a doubt.

There were members of government that didn't buy it for two seconds.

The majority of congress approved of the use cof force in Iraq?

if you like I can post links to articles to any number of democratic leaders that were saying the same thing bush is saying before the war bagan going back to clinton's administration.
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Originally posted by NaplesX
The majority of congress approved of the use cof force in Iraq?

if you like I can post links to articles to any number of democratic leaders that were saying the same thing bush is saying before the war bagan going back to clinton's administration.

Yes they wanted to believe him. He's the president after all. Like I said I'll bet they wish they hadn't now.

There were quite a few like Senator Byrd who didn't buy it and spelled out the reasons why.

Sorry you can't pin this on other people.
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Bush did bomb, in like day one of his administration. He was 'sending a message' and I didn't run here and freak out.

So you're wrong. Try again.


The intelligence is what matters. The action based on that intel is not the point.
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post #628 of 654
According to Tenets testimony, he let the admin know in private what he thought about the faulty intel

so what is DONE based on THAT knowledge IS the issue

but it doesn't matter what he could have said . . . they wanted war at all costs
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Originally posted by Chinney
None of the 'problems' you cite were calculated specifically to target Republicans, nor were they calculated to disenfranchise a specific racial group. They were systemic errors - not attempts to subvert the system - and the errors affected both Democrats and Republicans. Meanwhile, the problems' I was talking about were exactly calculated to deprive Democrats from victory, and to disenfranchise African Americans. In other words, the problems that I was talking about were out-and-out electoral fraud and racism. Do you not have a problem with that? I do I still find it hard to let it go. The racism part is largely ignored by the white media, but it is still very much on the minds of African Americans. There was far more to what happened in Florida than hanging chads.

And yes, if you take away the clear electoral abuses, Gore won Florida by a considerable margin.

You have no proof of any kind.

I bet you didn't know that the Democrats hired a telemarketing frim to call people after they voted, instructing them to call their congressman to report problems. Gee.

As for the media affecting both parties, that's bullshit. The perceived loser (Bush) stood to accept more damage. There are stories of HUNDREDS of Republicans getting out of line at the polls once they heard the news. Even Bush CAMPAIGN workers didn't vote in many cases b/c they thought it was over.

Gore did not, in any way, "win" Florida. Not once. Ever. He was never even ahead by a single vote. There is absolutely no proof of disenfranchismen of black voters. What there is proof of is that the media told half the country the election was over before it actually was.
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WHERE'S THE JOBS?

At the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Go There. Now.
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But he did win the popular vote by a considerable margin so what does it matter ( I'm just using your logic )?

What margin....hmmm....about 2,000,000? What a coincidence!
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Yes they wanted to believe him. He's the president after all. Like I said I'll bet they wish they hadn't now.

There were quite a few like Senator Byrd who didn't buy it and spelled out the reasons why.

Sorry you can't pin this on other people.

Senator Byrd? Robert KKK Byrd? Oh my God.

You're a real piece of work, jimmac. It's not like Bush sat down with his "Super Secret False Iraq Intel" folder, let Congress peek at it, and then slammed it shut. They HAD ACCESS TO THE INTEL. THEY VOTED BASED ON IT. HELLO?
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Originally posted by SDW2001
They HAD ACCESS TO THE INTEL. THEY VOTED BASED ON IT. HELLO?

They had access to the intel. They had the OSP too.

George told everyone:

"This isn't the intel we want. We want to invade. Go away and get some better intel. He has WMD. Is that clear? He's got WMD, Right George?"

"He's got WMD, right Rummy. Right Richard?"

"He's got WMD, right George. Right Condi?"

"He's got WMD, right Richard."

"Right, he's got WMD. Where's that intel dammit?"
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The intelligence is what matters. The action based on that intel is not the point.

The Intel 5 years later wasn't the same.
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post #636 of 654
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Originally posted by SDW2001
Senator Byrd? Robert KKK Byrd? Oh my God.

You're a real piece of work, jimmac. It's not like Bush sat down with his "Super Secret False Iraq Intel" folder, let Congress peek at it, and then slammed it shut. They HAD ACCESS TO THE INTEL. THEY VOTED BASED ON IT. HELLO?

My goodness. You're more fanatical and in denial than I thought.

They were given access to the "intelligence" the admin. wanted them to see. A good example would be when they trumpeted a debriefing report by Saddam's son in law about the WMDs but conveniently left out the part where he also said that under his command(he was in charge of the bio-chemical and nuclear weapons programs) all those weapons were destroyed back in 91. How convenient eh? Seriously man, why don't you quit now before you fall into ridicule?
post #637 of 654
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Originally posted by SDW2001
At the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Go There. Now.

Wow. The Bureau of Labour Statistics. Part of the Executive Branch of the US Government... yeah, they're trustworthy? Did you already forget (or you never even considered because it didn't follow your rosy view of things) the graph earlier in this thread about the INSANE jobs projections coming from Bush and the... Bureau of Labour Statistics?

Try this source.

SDW, I'm very happy that your job is going well. Unfortunately, that's not the case for the majority of Americans, no matter what exaggerated data you believe.

The US is in a deep shithole of a recession. In addition to the loss of jobs, the loss of benefits for those who have jobs MUST be taken into consideration.
post #638 of 654
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Originally posted by bunge
The Intel 5 years later wasn't the same.

Riiiight. So you're saying Clinton had MORE to go on, or LESS? Gee, let me think.
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post #639 of 654
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Originally posted by Gilsch
My goodness. You're more fanatical and in denial than I thought.

They were given access to the "intelligence" the admin. wanted them to see. A good example would be when they trumpeted a debriefing report by Saddam's son in law about the WMDs but conveniently left out the part where he also said that under his command(he was in charge of the bio-chemical and nuclear weapons programs) all those weapons were destroyed back in 91. How convenient eh? Seriously man, why don't you quit now before you fall into ridicule?

How about you prove that.
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post #640 of 654
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Originally posted by tonton
Wow. The Bureau of Labour Statistics. Part of the Executive Branch of the US Government... yeah, they're trustworthy? Did you already forget (or you never even considered because it didn't follow your rosy view of things) the graph earlier in this thread about the INSANE jobs projections coming from Bush and the... Bureau of Labour Statistics?

Try this source.

SDW, I'm very happy that your job is going well. Unfortunately, that's not the case for the majority of Americans, no matter what exaggerated data you believe.

The US is in a deep shithole of a recession. In addition to the loss of jobs, the loss of benefits for those who have jobs MUST be taken into consideration.

Wow. Just, wow. The jobs forecast DID NOT come from the BLS. The BLS is the most unbiased source of information available. Not ****ing "jobwatch.org". Oh my lord.

As for being "in a shithole of a recession", you're just utterly, utterly wrong. Either that, or you have no idea what the word "recession" means. GDP is very strong, which is primary measure of the economy. Unemployment is low. The markets in overall, in very good shape. Factories are operating at the fastest pace in almost 20 years. We are NOWHERE NEAR a recession. We're in "strong growth". The piece missing is job growth. Almost all other sectors of the economy are doing well. You're crazy, with all due respect.

And, how can Bush be blamed for the loss of benefits? Those are business decisions and a growing trend due to a variety of issues.
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